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Sorry Vladamyr, perhaps i didnt explain my thinking properly. while i did say "opt to not have Sacred Shield up when pulling the boss or tank swapping" i didnt mean dont have it on at all during the fight. Sacred Shied scales with Vengeance so if you run in with it up before the pull you will want to apply it again soon to take advantage of the increase in absorbs due to vengeance, so i dont see how it could be a bad thing to skip it for the first 5-10 seconds. on the pull is probably the safest time to go without sacred shield up since all the healers will have already applied h

Hi Satyroman, the control/mastery build should be viable for you in raids and with the way vengeance works you should not really have any trouble with threat unless the other tanks out gear you by a huge margin. im going to guess that the most often times you have issues would be on the pull or when performing a tank swap? if thats the case there are a couple of little tricks you can do to make it easier to hold threat. there is a great thread here on icy veins that explains vengeance in detail but the basic concept is you gain a percentage of UNMITIGATED damage received as at