Truth About The Eclipse Bar And Casting...?

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Hey guys,

 

So I'm just looking for the truth about the balance bar and how it affects casts.

 

I've seen some places online (Icy Veins) where it's stated that the where you are at in the Eclipse Bar when you Finish  the cast is what determines the added damage. But Then I'll see in yet other places (youtube videos) where the guys are pulling great numbers and stating that the bonus damage is calculated from where you are in the EB when you start casting.

 

I'm just looking for some kind of source that will definitively tell me one way or the other.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks,

[Krazyito 521]

It's when you finish. 

 

source: wow has been around for 10 years and its always been like this..

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It's when you finish. 

 

source: wow has been around for 10 years and its always been like this..

 

Well thank you for your confident post. I've played wow many years but never as a spellcaster. so I guess I was unaware in my inexperience.

 

Do you know of any actual source that I can consult to confirm this? Not saying you're wrong, but the best I can find are people's sweeping declarations..

[Bonita 8]

well, he is right but as you wished you might wanna ask at druid forums at mmo-champion.com or battle.net/wow

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well, he is right but as you wished you might wanna ask at druid forums at mmo-champion.com or battle.net/wow

 

How do you know he's right about the balance bar though? All I'm seeing are people saying this or that is right, but there's no sources cited or evidence referenced in either case.

 

I intend to post on mmo-champ or battle.net too.

 

Thanks,

[Krazyito 521]

There really isn't any 'source'.  There is nothing official about it and everywhere you go will always be from something unofficial.  

 

The best thing you can do is test it yourself.  Take off all your gear, get in combat  and try to land a starfire when you hit 100 energy and start casting when you hit 100 energy.  Thats how everyone else figures it out

 

the only way you're gonna get something 'official' is by tweeting at blues until the decide to answer you which i doubt they will answer that question.

[Facade 1]

Its like this for any buff in game, it captures the power from the moment it leaves your hands.

[Krazyito 521]

I know this is a really small case and you'll have to take my word for it but this is what I got

 

Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4423 Arcane.
Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4325 Arcane.
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Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4407 Arcane.
Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4357 Arcane.
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Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4472 Arcane.
Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4292 Arcane.
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Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4504 Arcane.
Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4227 Arcane.

 

The first one landed right as it peaked while the 2nd one started casting right before it started going down.  It doesn't look like much of a damage difference, but that because I had 0 gear on.  It makes much more of a difference with gear.

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I know this is a really small case and you'll have to take my word for it but this is what I got

Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4423 Arcane.
Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4325 Arcane.
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Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4407 Arcane.
Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4357 Arcane.
--
Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4472 Arcane.
Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4292 Arcane.
--
Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4504 Arcane.
Your Starfire hit Dungeoneer's Training Dummy 4227 Arcane.

The first one landed right as it peaked while the 2nd one started casting right before it started going down.  It doesn't look like much of a damage difference, but that because I had 0 gear on.  It makes much more of a difference with gear.

Thanks for this.

 

I'd done some testing myself, but wasn't really taking it for granted quite yet as my sample size isn't huge.

Thanks for the dialogue about it, I really didn't have any idea that spells worked like that being that I've always played dps warrior/rogue till this xpac.

[Tarazet 144]

Why are the colors in the text reversed like that?

 

I did cycles of a couple minutes each. I put on the Stellar Flare talent, and casted Wrath and Starfire only. For the first, I cast the spell so that I began Wrath while the solar cycle was active, and began casting Starfire while the lunar cycle was active. For the second, I made all the spells land during their corresponding cycle, so that I was casting my first Wrath while still in the lunar cycle and first Starfire while still in the solar cycle.

 

Beginning-cast method: 1,200 dps

Ending-cast method: 1,150 dps

 

That's about a 4% difference in damage.

[Krazyito 521]

They are colored like that because I used the code tags on the forums, and the apostrophe did wonky things thinking they are strings.

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Why are the colors in the text reversed like that?

 

I did cycles of a couple minutes each. I put on the Stellar Flare talent, and casted Wrath and Starfire only. For the first, I cast the spell so that I began Wrath while the solar cycle was active, and began casting Starfire while the lunar cycle was active. For the second, I made all the spells land during their corresponding cycle, so that I was casting my first Wrath while still in the lunar cycle and first Starfire while still in the solar cycle.

 

Beginning-cast method: 1,200 dps

Ending-cast method: 1,150 dps

 

That's about a 4% difference in damage.

 

Interesting, thanks for the input :)