6.1 Demo: Not as bad as the Demonbolt nerf makes it look.

[Lockybalboa 618]

Hello . I have problem with rotation in new build (GoServ/Servitude). Anybody can tell me how to dps in this build ?

 

 

Please don't double post the same question.

[fordfiesta 1]

you don't have to play servitude / service optimally to get decent output ... your doomguards are doing a huge chunk of the work for you on autopilot.

 

Ppl who are now seeing higher numbers than they did pre 6.1 with serv/serv are more likely than not 50th percentile parsing warlocks (or below) that are now seeing higher dmg because your auto pet is always playing at 100th percentile, thus boosting your dps for you.

[gahhda 95]

I checked out warcraftlogs today and sorted the top 200 parses by date and only considered those killed this week (I don't see a way to filter by date, else i would just look at 6.1 kills):

 

 

For Heroic Gruul this week, 20 of the top 200 parses were this week. Of those 20:

• 11 Affliction (SB:Haunt)
• 2 Destruction (Grim:Sac), gogo old-school shadowbolt chaos bolt spam!
• 7 Demo (top one was still running demonbolt; others running Service+Servitude)

Mythic Gruul parses are still dominated by Demo Locks this week (roughly 50/200 top parses, all but 6 were demo), with a smattering of Afflocks and no Destro locks. Looks like a mix of both demonbolt and service/servitude specs for the demo guys.

Mythic Oregorger has a lot higher Afflock rep and a decent Destro population, but that makes sense due to the box phase multi-dotting. Demo with Serv/Serv still dominates.

Mythic Flamebender is dominated by Demo Locks running either Cata or Serv/Serv

Mythic Hans/Franz is Demo Locks + Cata.

 

 

 

tl;dr: Demonbolt is still present, Demo locks are still the most represented, but other specs are making viable appearances.

 

Demonbolt is still present because people like to refuse to believe simc. A month from now I expect none of the top parses to be demonbolt, unless someone randomly plays it to try and get batshit RNG rankings.

 

Also, dserv is insanely close to cata on hans/franz, and generally beats it. Fight is ST for like ~60% of the time, and has a large amount of movement even if you perfect side-stepping things on strips.

Edited March 2, 2015 by gahhda

[KoragonArt 0]

Is it optimal to use the 2nd charge of DS about a minute after the opener or just use it as soon as you have the fury? Obviously the burn phase at 2 minutes is critical but I struggle with understanding how to go about what happens between that and the opener.

Edit: I'm 680 w/ the 2pc

Edited March 3, 2015 by KoragonArt

[Vomitory 0]

I can't see how GoServ/Servitude can be a viable option for demon. Adds nothing to aoe on most encounters and I feel like go supremecy would win on st. Losing terror/DG on bloodlust feels awful for demon openers.

I'll try afflic thurs and report back.

 

This, so much.

[Soulzar 42]

Why would you worry about it adding nothing to AoE on Single Target fights?

 

 

How is using GoServ on pull to pop out a doomguard drastically different in feel than popping the 10min doomguard? 

Edited March 3, 2015 by Soulzar

[Vomitory 0]

So... a thought I had while surfing the forums here. If you choose to use Grimoire of Service + Demonic Servitude, what exactly are we dumping Demonic Fury into? I tried this spec and I've got to be doing something wrong because it was embarrassing DPS. It doesn't feel right.

[Drkdragon 9]

So... a thought I had while surfing the forums here. If you choose to use Grimoire of Service + Demonic Servitude, what exactly are we dumping Demonic Fury into? I tried this spec and I've got to be doing something wrong because it was embarrassing DPS. It doesn't feel right.

You save your MC charges and use Soulfire and ToC while you are in meta. The thing to note is you are no longer just "dumping fury" the goal is to maximize your Meta time with as spells as you can fit into it.

[Vomitory 0]

You save your MC charges and use Soulfire and ToC while you are in meta. The thing to note is you are no longer just "dumping fury" the goal is to maximize your Meta time with as spells as you can fit into it.

 

Soulfire does no extra damage in Metamorphosis, I don't get it? And wouldn't Hand of Gul'dan be more damage output than Touch of Chaos? I'm just switching from Destruction so I'm trying to understand all of this but so far this looks like people are trolling with this "single target DPS" stuff with the whole Grimoire of Service/Demonic Servitude thing. I'm doing less DPS than tanks so I've got to be doing something wrong; using Demonbolt rotation I was actually sustaining over 25k more DPS than I was with this new thing.

 

So just to clarify from your post, the goal is to cast as much as I can while in Metamorphosis, correct?

[Drkdragon 9]

Soulfire does no extra damage in Metamorphosis, I don't get it? And wouldn't Hand of Gul'dan be more damage output than Touch of Chaos? I'm just switching from Destruction so I'm trying to understand all of this but so far this looks like people are trolling with this "single target DPS" stuff with the whole Grimoire of Service/Demonic Servitude thing. I'm doing less DPS than tanks so I've got to be doing something wrong; using Demonbolt rotation I was actually sustaining over 25k more DPS than I was with this new thing.

 

So just to clarify from your post, the goal is to cast as much as I can while in Metamorphosis, correct?

With our Mastery all damage in Meta is increased. ToC replaces shadowbolt in meta not HoG so I think you are confusing Touch of Chaos with Chaos Wave. On single target yes you would use HoG over Chaos wave the majority of the time.

Edited March 3, 2015 by Drkdragon

[KoragonArt 0]

Is it optimal to use the 2nd charge of DS about a minute after the opener or just use it as soon as you have the fury? Obviously the burn phase at 2 minutes is critical but I struggle with understanding how to go about what happens between that and the opener.

Edit: I'm 680 w/ the 2pc

I went ahead and looked at logs for this anyway.  

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tybhndQZfxDNaBkm#fight=1&type=casts&source=1

 

Going by shizwix's parses (Liquidsteel on IV), whose logs I am increasingly following, you want to be using a charge of dark soul every minute.  Additionally he doesn't seem to pop in and out of meta based on procs.  He had a lot of bleeding hollow procs but apparently it's better to stay out of meta and keep building fury and mc stacks, assuming you aren't close to capping either.

 

Build up lots of fury for a dark soul phase, burn all of it, then repeat, I think.  Seems more straight forward with less stance dancing than I thought, if anyone wants to comment.

 

edit: looking at the resources tab tells the story.  Other than the start of the fight where he went back into meta to maximise the rest of his fury, he never went back in between dark soul phases.

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tybhndQZfxDNaBkm#fight=1&type=resources&source=1&spell=115 

 

This is way different to how I've been playing the spec since 6.1.  Can't wait to raid tonight now.

Edited March 3, 2015 by KoragonArt

[Liquidsteel 279]

I wouldn't use that parse as a good example. The reason I used my AD Dark Soul a minute in was because the boss was already at like 50% and I made a judgement call to use them when I knew I would have full Fury.

 

Generally, I try to save AD Dark Soul for a sub 25% burn with a trinket proc.

 

With proper play, you SHOULD be popping into Meta to bleed Soul Fires and ToC's on trinket procs. Dark Soul is still your biggest damage increase and you should always aim to spend most of it Soul Firing (banking 800+  Fury and 8+ MC procs as well as dropping 2 stack HoG as you go in).

[Nyanchan 2]

I wouldn't use that parse as a good example. The reason I used my AD Dark Soul a minute in was because the boss was already at like 50% and I made a judgement call to use them when I knew I would have full Fury.

 

Generally, I try to save AD Dark Soul for a sub 25% burn with a trinket proc.

 

With proper play, you SHOULD be popping into Meta to bleed Soul Fires and ToC's on trinket procs. Dark Soul is still your biggest damage increase and you should always aim to spend most of it Soul Firing (banking 800+  Fury and 8+ MC procs as well as dropping 2 stack HoG as you go in).

 

do you mean have 2 stacks of CW available as you go in, or, have the HoG that will extend the already present dot before you go in (im guessing to still generate a little bit of fury while in meta?)

[Liquidsteel 279]

do you mean have 2 stacks of CW available as you go in, or, have the HoG that will extend the already present dot before you go in (im guessing to still generate a little bit of fury while in meta?)

I mean to stack the HoG just as you jump in, so you get a full 7s of 2 stack under Dark Soul. Also the chance of extra MC procs.

[Borb 0]

Hey,

 

I returned from long vacations to find Demonbolt heavly nerfed, and rerolled to Cata / GoSyn on the maidens yesterday. I have to say I love it (suprise in a 3 Mob fight :D), alhtough I failed hard. I have some simple questions which I hope you can answer:

 

- With the DS glyph, I can line up every Cata with DS (which seems to be beneficial even in single target). Nevertheless I have the impression, that you do not use the glyph (8+ MC Stacks cannot be burned together with Cata in a 10 sec DS). What is the main reason for not using the glyph here?

 

- How does the dmg (without considering MC procs) of CWe compare to HoG? Both seem to be really nice AE spells, and while i can see good advantages of CW in situations which require burst, especially the maidens are a fight, all targets are likely to live long enough to survive the entire dot duration. If the answer is CW > HoG, does this still hold with the 4pc bonus?

 

Thanks in advance,

   Borb

[Soulzar 42]

Soulfire does no extra damage in Metamorphosis, I don't get it? And wouldn't Hand of Gul'dan be more damage output than Touch of Chaos? I'm just switching from Destruction so I'm trying to understand all of this but so far this looks like people are trolling with this "single target DPS" stuff with the whole Grimoire of Service/Demonic Servitude thing. I'm doing less DPS than tanks so I've got to be doing something wrong; using Demonbolt rotation I was actually sustaining over 25k more DPS than I was with this new thing.

 

So just to clarify from your post, the goal is to cast as much as I can while in Metamorphosis, correct?

 

The key is to get away from the mindset that you only spend fury every 40 seconds.. or every 2 minutes.  You may get a proc and jump into Meta for 6 seconds, jump out.. build for 15, get another proc.. jump into meta for 8 seconds.. etc.

 

When you consider that you generally need less than a minute to build a full fury bar without using caster Soulfire but your MAIN fury dumps are two minutes apart, you have a minutes worth of fury you can spend during any 10 second procs you get.

 

So, Most importantly bank as many MC charges as you can and enough fury to keep you in meta for your full 20s darksoul every 2 minutes, with as much of that fury as possible being spent on soulfires.  From there, focus on trying to react to your 10s procs and dumping a bit of fury during each one.

[Cardio33 3]

Is there any dot benefit to being in meta?

I know it doesn't change corr or HoG but I haven't tested doom. Tooltip for meta reads like it should.

[Liquidsteel 279]

Is there any dot benefit to being in meta?

I know it doesn't change corr or HoG but I haven't tested doom. Tooltip for meta reads like it should.

Doom always benefits from Meta Mastery.