Boomkin DPS help. Logs included plus more.

[Krazyito 521]

Just going to correct the math here, but if starfire gets a 30% buff and averages 69k, then without the 30% buff it averages 53k (69k / 1.3 = x), not 66k. If it were 66k before the 30% buff, you'd see an 86k average.

Yea i fixed thanks, I'm on my cellphone and it's 9am so calculators don't work well with me atm. Thanks.

[Shedim 13]

You're overcomplicating it for no reason :)

 

These normalized values only count for pre-pull. Once combat begins, the eclipse bar will start moving and you will start getting empowerments. That is why you see different results in the logs.

[Shedim 13]

Also, your calculations are wrong. I was using Soul of the Forest, so Empowerments actually give a 45% increase and not 30%

[Krazyito 521]

Check your Spellbook. Divide Starsurge's damage by Wrath's damage and you get 2. Divide Starfire's damage by Wrath's damage and you get 1.6. This is where I get the numbers 100, 160, and 200 from. 

 

On pull the eclipse bar is centered at 0 until combat beings. All the abilities are therefore affected by an equal amount.

Wrath: on the middle, affected by 50% of mastery

Starfall: on the middle, affected by 50% of the mastery.

Starsurge: affected by the highest eclipse bonus. They're equal, so Starsurge is also affected by 50% mastery.

You're right. Logs take mastery into account too. So w/e.

Personally I'm still going to use starfire in my opener. I see what you're saying now and what you're showing with the gcd, but I still don't agree with it.

[Kazewulf 0]

yes I meant starfire .  Yeah I was idle due to popping cd to early and getting into position for Gruul as you can't really pre position yourself next to him.  How do you do your pre pull for Gruul?  Do you pop CDs out of position and then move into position afterwards or hold off on CDs until you get into position?

 

I'll have to play with my opener.  I'll try adding either a wrath or starfire before I cast my starsurge.

 

Thanks all.

[Bonita 8]

lol guys, heavy discussion here.

I think its worth an own Topic.

Please do not forget Kazewulf is acutally seeking for basic helps. You arguing about advanced stuff. So he should stick to the conservative opener.

In my opinion people here seeking for help should to try focus on a basic solid gameplay. One day when they learnd the basic stuff and r coming back to us asaying "guys I do 70% dmg in my bracket on WCL, how can i improve to 90%?" then we can discuss about stuff like this again.

 

So back to Kazewulfs original topic.
Kazewulf, I have looked into you logfiles and have found some weird and wrong things you made..At the moment I have no time to explain it deeper, but by (latest) Monday you will be having a full analysis done by me (if Krazy isnt faster hehe :D)

Edited February 19, 2015 by Bonita

[Shedim 13]

Hi Kazewulf. The way the game works right now, being able to move efficient is gonna increase your dps a lot more than looking into your rotation in depth. The fact that you pöp all offensive cooldowns and then run into melee range is alarming.

As a moonkin you don't have much mobility while maintaining dps. Basicly, all you have is the GCD of Starsurge and Moonfire/Sunfire. With your haste values that gives you about 1.3 seconds to move once in a while. So what you wanna do is plan ahead. If you need to get somewhere in order to avoid a boss mechanic or to get into a healing rain, you slowly move every time you cast an instant ability. This is essentially what you need to do when you pull on Gruul. Do your opener, then every time you cast a Starsurge/Moonfire/Sunfire you move one step closer to Gruul. Same applies for mechanics like Petrify. When you see Petrify coming up on your boss timer mods, you conserve an extra Starsurge proc or avoid refreshing your dots a bit (without letting them fall off though!). If you then get the debuff, you have some instant casts in spare to move without losing any dps. 

[Kazewulf 0]

Yeah I normally don't pop my CDs while moving, was just a weird pull that night and the group I was in was the first soaker so had to get into position a little faster.  I do need to get better at positioning better so I can cast more.

 

Looking forward to the help Bonita.

 

Thanks all.

[Shedim 13]

The range of the Inferno Slice is infinite. You can stand on the edge of the room and still soak. It's all about your angle to the boss. The only reason to stack up is for increased healing. 

[Bonita 8]

So as promised I checked you logs.

Gruul:

- Dots uptime good

- Inc/CA/Shard of Nothing Usage good + pot

- SS procs usage good

- You had a 4 secounds gap between CA and Starsurge.. 4 Secounds wasted where you did nothing

00:00:01.093    Kazewulf casts Void Shards
00:00:01.151    Kazewulf casts Celestial Alignment
00:00:05.366    Kazewulf begins casting Starsurge
00:00:05.366    Kazewulf casts Starsurge on Gruul
00:00:06.532    Kazewulf casts Moonfire on Gruul
00:00:07.518    Kazewulf begins casting Starfire

- change your opener from what you posted to:
 Singletarget
 secounds till boos pull:
  - 00:03  Inc
  - 00:02  Pot
  - 00:01  SS
 Bosspull
   00:00 CA + MF (macro)
   00:01 Berserking + Shard of Nothing + Starfire (macro)
    .... Starfire
    .... SS
    etc etc

- Dont use Inc & CA together at the excat secound. Wait the GCD of INC and safe you Starsurge charges if you know you will pop Inc/CA soon
00:03:24.152    Kazewulf casts Incarnation: Chosen of Elune
00:03:24.453    Kazewulf casts Celestial Alignment
00:03:24.985    Kazewulf casts Draenic Intellect Potion
00:03:25.182    Kazewulf casts Void Shards

 

*EDIT* nvm on Berserking. Just saw youre an Worgen

Edited February 24, 2015 by Bonita

[Kazewulf 0]

Bonita thanks for all your help!  I'll try the new opener tonight.