[Frost] DPS advice

[Anam 0]

Fairly new to wow as whole, started late last year and now sort of addicted. I followed the guides for the basic "how to play..." and lvling.

 

Now i have my frost mage maxed and venturing into normal highmaul raids (mostly PuG). DPS isnt decent and sometimes I find other forst mage similar (or few points lower average ilvl) doing marginally better than me. Using the recount ad on, i generally see myself doing 12-15k dps while seeing other frost mage going near 18-20k.

 

 

my current spell rotation is

 

Mirror image > icy veins > ice nova > frozen orb > ice lance > frost bolt

 

i've been mostly using glyph icy veins but recent tried out normal icy vein + thermal void, seen improvement in some fight and drop in some other fights...

 

gears

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/frostmourne/Anam/simple

 

combat log...not sure if i posted this right but here it is:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/6966118/6/#boss=0&bracket=1

 

 

 

All help and advice will be apprciated! thx

[Pancakz 0]

All your casts are way too low.  Only 3 Frozen Orbs in a six minute fight is not okay--you need to cast it on cooldown.  Same with Ice Nova--you should never have 2 stacks of it sitting.  Lastly, you aren't casting Frostbolt enough.  It should be your primary source of damage.  This usually means you either simply aren't always casting spells or it means you aren't casting while moving.  To solve the latter problem, use Icefloes.

Edited February 20, 2015 by Pancakz

[Anam 0]

Ah i see.

I think i worry too much about icy vein dying and end up casting more ice lance without FoF proc just to enxtend its duration with thermal void. Sometimes its for the mirror image to get gylph ice veing buff whole duration other times i extend until my orb gets off cooldown.

 

I guess I shouldnt worry too much about exteding IV and focus more on frostbolts.

 

 

With ice floes, any macro i should be using with it?

[Xsenza 0]

Pancakz is correct - I cast Frozen Orb whenever it's up.  I find the following priority works well for me..

 

I've macro'd my CDs (1 key-click as they're all instants):

-Use Int Pot

-Icy Veins

-Berserking

-Mirror Images

 

Opening pull, I typically blow CDs (depending on the fight) and then send in Frozen Orb and lay my Prismatic Crystal.  Priority on my Prismatic Crystal at this point:

-Ice Lance if FoF proc

-FFB if Brain Freeze proc (but NOT if I have FoF procs, I blow those before FFB because FFB could proc FoF)

-Ice Nova (1 charge or both, depending if none of the conditions above in priority are met after my first charge goes off)

-Frost Bolt fill until one of the above happens

 

I personally chose Prismatic because I didn't want to hesitate if I didn't have FoF proc to extend Icy Veins.  Just a personal thing, I suppose.  I have no theorycrafting to support it as a better choice.  I'm sure someone else will have some sound advice there.  

 

Single-Target priority pretty much follows my opening sequence, except I send Frozen Orb in pretty much EVERYTIME it comes up off of CD.  And don't blow your waterjet if you have frozen orb in there, you just waste FoF procs doing that.  I'll hold on to Frozen Orb if waterjets is up or vice versa.  And not sure if you're doing this or not, but time your Waterjet so that your pet begins to cast it mid-cast of your Frostbolt.  That way you get in the 2 Frostbolt casts before your pet finishes - giving you 2 procs of FoF to begin Ice Lancing.

 

AoE for me is just send in the Orb, FoF procs until they stop proccing, then blow my Ice Nova charges. And work down my single-target rotation until I get some FoF procs or Ice Nova procs.

 

If I have to move, I use Ice Floes/Frostbolt if I don't have any instants ready or procs.

 

Hope this helps - Xsen <What Would Rambo Do> of Medivh

[Pancakz 0]

Ah i see.

I think i worry too much about icy vein dying and end up casting more ice lance without FoF proc just to enxtend its duration with thermal void. Sometimes its for the mirror image to get gylph ice veing buff whole duration other times i extend until my orb gets off cooldown.

 

I guess I shouldnt worry too much about exteding IV and focus more on frostbolts.

 

 

With ice floes, any macro i should be using with it?

 

IL without FoF is always a DPS loss.  This includes when TV is up.  In other words, no matter what, never cast IL without FoF procs.  Never attempt to extend TV without FoF procs.

 

Also, MI just got nerfed *grumble grumble*, so RoP is the better option if you don't need to move much.  I'm still curious to see how well IF works even in single target encounters with a small amount of cleave.

 

Also also, don't forget that Comet Storm is now generally the best T7 talent, particularly for single target.

 

Lastly, I wouldn't macro Ice Floes.  I bind mine to "E" so it's easy to hit if I need to move real fast.

[Anam 0]

Ahh thx for the advice guys. Improved my dps a little and got accepted in most PuG.....and got better ilvl item now.

 

Most of recent fight i did around 18-20k, and was cast frostbolt most number of time while ice lance doing the highest damage with less ice lance casted. I think i found where my majoy mistake was now xp. Also timing aqua jet + (IV+MI) + frozen orb grealty improve my damage too.

 

 

IL without FoF is always a DPS loss.  This includes when TV is up.  In other words, no matter what, never cast IL without FoF procs.  Never attempt to extend TV without FoF procs.

 

Also, MI just got nerfed *grumble grumble*, so RoP is the better option if you don't need to move much.  I'm still curious to see how well IF works even in single target encounters with a small amount of cleave.

 

Also also, don't forget that Comet Storm is now generally the best T7 talent, particularly for single target.

 

Lastly, I wouldn't macro Ice Floes.  I bind mine to "E" so it's easy to hit if I need to move real fast.

Ahhh MI just got nerf? How and when? I was probably too newbie to notice lol

[Oltier 471]

Ahhh MI just got nerf? How and when? I was probably too newbie to notice lol

6.1 patch notes: 

• Mirror Image copies of Frost Mages now deal 15% less damage with Frostbolt.