New Moomkin questions

[ezzo 0]

So i had to reroll Moonkin and still got some questions.

 

- Without 4pc bonus should i delay CA and INC until im in lunar? Also is it ok to cast CA at the end of lunar or is it better at the start of lunar?

- I know i have to keep my Starsurge stacks low so if I have 2 stacks but still have lunar/solar empowerment buff should I wait with next starsurge or just overwrite empowerment buffs?

 

cheers

[Bonita 8]

So i had to reroll Moonkin and still got some questions.

 

- Without 4pc bonus should i delay CA and INC until im in lunar? Also is it ok to cast CA at the end of lunar or is it better at the start of lunar?

- I know i have to keep my Starsurge stacks low so if I have 2 stacks but still have lunar/solar empowerment buff should I wait with next starsurge or just overwrite empowerment buffs?

 

cheers

 

to 1: Yes, You use CA (and INC) only in Lunar. And you want to use INC/CA when entering Lunar, not at the end of it

to 2: This should normally not happen. Use SS in Lunar and if you have 2 charges then use 1 charge in Solar. In the very very few moment where you are about to get 3 charges and still have Lunar and Solar Empowerment up, owerrite it with Lunar

[ezzo 0]

thank you for that fast reply

[Shedim 13]

It is more complex than so. If you know the duration of the fight it is easier to figure.

Let's take a fight like Gruul, the top ranked boomkins fit in between 3-4 CA over the fight. If delaying your CA until Lunar would mean you would have overall 1 less CA, then it isn't worth it. If you know you can delay it without losing another CA, then delay it. The difference between Lunar and Solar is really smaller than most people think (at least with the 4pc). 

 

Now, as you don't have the 4pc bonus yet, CA will always align with Inc. Because of that, you want to use CA+Inc when entering Lunar, as you would then have Incarnation to be in Lunar for 25 of the 30 seconds. When you get the 4pc, CA and Inc won't align, and then you'll just want to use CA at any point, preferably in Lunar. 

 

Don't overwrite empowerment buffs, it is a big damage loss. If that happens you either had sick RNG (getting several Starsurge charges in no time) or you've been too careful using them. Trying to save Starsurge charges for Lunar eclipse or trinket procs isn't worth it, if it means you end up wasting empowerments. If you happen to cap on Starsurge charges and you have empowerments up, consider using a Starfall (if you're in Lunar or affected by CA). 

Edited April 8, 2015 by Shedim

[ezzo 0]

"When you get the 4pc, CA and Inc won't align, and then you'll just want to use CA at any point, preferably in Lunar."

 

So When i have 4pc INC on cd or at the start of lunar?

Edited April 8, 2015 by ezzo

[Shedim 13]

You want as high uptime on your offensive cooldowns as possible. This will be achieved by using them as they come off cooldown. However, it is usually worth delaying them a bit to align them with each other or with certain boss mechanics.

 

The question is then, how much should you delay the abilities?

Delaying Incarnation and CA for high uptime in Lunar is worth it, if it means you won't have less uses over the length of the fight.

On a 4 minute fight like Butcher was (and before the 4pc), you could safely delay your second CA and Incarnation to time them well with Lunar/Solar and any trinket procs, because you wouldn't be able to squeeze more than 2 uses in no matter what.

Now a fight like Gruul was different. The boss enraged at 6 minutes, so you could possibly fit in 3 Incarnations in total, as the boss wouldn't kill you instantly as it enraged. Many kills lasted about 6:20 minutes. This could only be done if you used Incarnation right away, delaying it for just a second would be a damage loss.

 

So point is, there is no general guideline, you will need to figure it out based on the encounter and how fast your group is able to kill the boss. Keep a few things in mind though:

 

- It is slightly better to use cooldowns in Lunar or having most of the uptime in Lunar. Using CA in Solar is not going to have a significant impact on your DPS, but if you have a choice - use it in Lunar. 

- Try to align Inc and CA as much as possible. It is generally a good idea to use your second potion when they align again. 

- Never use Incarnation while CA is up. If the timers are close, delay CA a bit so you can cast Inc before CA.

- If you know that you won't be able to use a specific cooldown again (like if the boss is at 15%), try to hold it a bit and wait for a good time to use it (trinket proc, low movement) while making sure you have 3 Starsurge charges.

Edited April 8, 2015 by Shedim