690 Arcane/Fire mage struggling to stay in the dps race.

[Jelbakzul 1]

Hello all!
As you can tell from the title its exactly as it seems, I'm parsing very low and having the other mages come close in terms of dps. I feel like I should be above and beyond what I'm pulling..
Warcraft logs has a detailed showing of my rotation each report, so no need to waste more space rambling on here

And before you go off on the beast-lord kills i was only playing arcane because in previous weeks we've had 4-5 warlocks just absolutely annihilating the adds, and the fire mages pulling sub 30k dps. i also did  not expect a one-shot from the group as we're missing a lot of our main raiders this week.

If anyone could leave a detailed report of what teh frack im doing wrong that would be absolutely helpful to the maximus 
my in-game contact is  Felix#1621

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RnTY2A7cbDJydLMm#boss=-2
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/shandris/Jelbakzul/advanced
http://tinyurl.com/lw9yt5d(Shaw)
http://tinyurl.com/lqf678r(Maliin)

Thanks for any help =)
 

[Jelbakzul 1]

Seriously?! nothing?! =( 

[Chrizesu 10]

Sorry, forums here have been slow. Right now I recommend trying to find to find a place that's a little more active.

 

I can't exactly help you at this time because I'm trying to find issues with my own play, but here's the logs of a really good mage in my guild: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Trxa3HKRnFhXjZfp#fight=26&type=damage-done&source=24

[Drtain 74]

First off I'd suggest playing one or the other not both, (helps with optimization/ you get to learn your one spec better) . I'm not much of an arcane guy, but arcane shouldn't really be hard to mess up on your rotation. As far as fire goes I feel like some of your combusts are weak, your average combust is only 8.2, given your gear you should be able to do 10k average, also some of your combusts seem really weak you had one that was only 2.6k which is to say the very least bad. It's hard to really figure out where your going wrong via logs whether your just not using inferno properly, to make sure you get more pyros or if it's something like, u combust earlier in your pyro spam than you should, but i'd mainly work on upping your combust try and get your average combust to ATLEAST 10k if not higher, once you've done that come back and post some more or something (granted 6.2 comes out soon, but if you need more help during 6.2 just post again sorry it took me a while to post on here)

[Drunkeldore 0]

well first off, if your trying to be fire and dont have a 4 set yet, go arcane until ya do. when i got my 4 set for fire i started keeping up with the pack,(even on single target fights). but its proc dependent so its gonna vary. Arcane is the more sustainable dps of the two specs, But i like fire now that i have the set bonus. i win some i lose some as far as proc% goes, but when i get fights that i can get a couple 15k combustions, its a wonderful thing

[Musetta 2]

Hey there!

 

I'd be happy to talk about both Arcane and Fire and how to use them in a raid situation.

 

ARCANE: (Single Target)

 

Arcane is a tricky spec, and people can't seem to understand that.  So often you hear a warlock making fun of an arcane mage implying that the rotation is simple and just spamming two spells.  Back in WotLK I would agree with our frienemy shadowy caster, but Blizzard has made arcane all about planning and executing in this expansion.  

 

As far as gear, you want mastery, mastery, and more mastery.  The more mastery, the more oomph you'll get out of your burn phase.  

 

Stat priorities are as follows: Mastery>Haste>Multistrike>Crit>Versatility

 

I am not a big fan of telling people that Intellect is the most important thing, because obviously it's on all of your gear, I promise you'll get lots of intellect...  Too often you tell someone that intellect is most important, and they drop a 691 mastery/haste ring for a 700 crit/versatility ring.  And for what?  10 intellect?  That gave you about 10 spellpower, and clearly wasn't worth the loss of your top secondary stats as an arcane mage.  It's a very situational thing, that can be evaluated on a case by case basis.

 

*The four set bonus for arcane is nice, but since arcane missiles don't do amazing damage, it's not necessary to do sufficient dps.

 

 Here's how Arcane works: (Burn Phase and Conserve Phase)

 

BURN PHASE:

1. (Fight begins)

2. You want to build up Arcane Charge stacks to increase the damage of your arcane blasts, however, you want to keep your mana as close to 100% so your mastery will have the most effect when you cast your Prismatic Crystal.  So I do 2 or 3 Arcane Blasts to get my Arcane Charges up but not completely drain my mana below 90%.

3. Drop Prismatic Crystal near the boss. (8 yard range)

4. Cast Arcane Power

5. Supernova 2x on Crystal

6. Cast Presence of Mind

7. Spam Arcane Blast until Crystal dies

8. Spam Arcane Blast on boss until Arcane Power fades or your mana drops below 50%.

9. Cast Evocation (Cancel it when you reach 100% mana)

 

CONSERVE PHASE:

1. Cast Arcane Blast 4x

2. Use Arcane Missiles if they proc

3. Cast Supernova (You only get to use Supernova once in this phase. You want to save 2 for next burn phase. Skip this step next time around.)

4. Cast Arcane Barrage to clear Arcane Charge stacks

5. Repeat

 

This will go on until your Prismatic Crystal and Arcane Power are off cooldown and you can begin the "Burn Phase" once again.

 

*Things that are probably limiting DPS*

1. You're taking too long to target the boss after your crystal dies.  Try making the boss your focus so he's easily targeted.

2. You are not planning the use of your crystal well, and the boss is moving out of its range.  You need to anticipate the movement of the boss, and this just takes practice with your tanks.  (Don't be afraid to talk to your tanks and ask that they be mindful of your Crystal's range.)

3.  You are using your Arcane Missiles without having 4 stacks of Arcane Charge.  The missiles do more damage with each stack of Arcane Charge.  To use them with less than 4 stacks is a waste of time.

4. You're using Glyph of Arcane Power: If you're using the Prismatic Crystal, you want your Arcane Power to be lined up with the cooldown of the crystal.  It's a waste of dps to only have Arcane Power every other Crystal.

5. In the conserve phase, YOU AREN'T CLEARING YOUR ARCANE CHARGE STACKS.  Big, Big, BIG mistake that I see time and time again.  Some mages get caught up in the mechanics of the fight that they resort to old habits of just spamming arcane blast forever and just burn their mana to nothing.  With mastery, you do more damage based on the amount of mana you have not used.  So in your conserve phase, you want to have atleast 90% mana at all times.

 

FIRE: (Multi-Target)

 

Fire continues to be such a fun and crazy spec.  You see all these numbers fly across your screen as your DOT up lots of mobs and watch them go boom!  However, it's not an easy spec to play well right away.  It takes a little practice, but it's really a good time.  Fire is all about keeping your DOTs up and spreading the damage from one target to nearby targets.

 

As far as gear you want haste and mastery.  Which makes your life easy, because you can use most of your Arcane gear as fire.  You get a lot of free crit as fire, so there is no real need to stack it as intensely as we used to back in earlier expansions.  I would recommend switching out a couple pieces for a little bit more crit, but nothing crazy; maybe your weapon and which slot is your non-tier piece.

 

Stat Priority are as follows: Haste (up to 10%)>Mastery>Crit>Multistrike>Versatility

 

*The four set bonus is very useful as fire and is a big dps increase.

 

Here's How Fire Works: (DOT em up and spread it!)

 

1. (Fight Begins)

2. Cast Living Bomb on one target

3. Cast Fireball until heating up procs (small fire parenthesis)

4. Cast Inferno Blast

5. Cast Instant Pyroblast (always cast Pyroblast when it procs.  It is the BIG parenthesis)

6. When your Ignite is above 8k, Cast Combustion (I recommend making a weakaura to know what your ignite is)

7. Cast Inferno Blast to spread DOTs

8. Repeat

 

*Things that are probably limiting DPS*

1. You aren't keeping Living Bomb up on your target.  Remember to recast Living Bomb when it finishes.

2. You are hard casting Pyroblast.  NEVER cast Pyroblast manually.  Only use it when it's instant. (BIG parenthesis)

3. You are using Combustion when your ignite isn't high.  If you don't use a weakaura, the best way to guess that your ignite is high is after a lot of Pyroblasts.  If you get two instants Pyroblasts in a row, your ignite is probably pretty high, and you can use Combustion.

4. You're using the glyph of Combustion on fights when adds don't live long.  This glyph is not the go-to glyph.  In BRF, it is only good to use this Glyph on The Iron Maidens when all the adds live for a long time.  When you use this glyph on a fight like Beastlord where the adds are up for about 8 seconds, you wasted the other 8 seconds of the Combustion.  Better to have more short Combustions that get fully used than long ones that mostly get wasted.

 

I absolutely love being a mage and love to help others with what I have learned over the years.  Please let me know if you have any questions or maybe another mage has other ideas to help you out!

 

Musetta- Proudmoore

692 Mage

[bobbe 0]

 

1. (Fight Begins)

2. Cast Living Bomb on one target

3. Cast Fireball until heating up procs (small fire parenthesis)

4. Cast Inferno Blast

5. Cast Instant Pyroblast (always cast Pyroblast when it procs.  It is the BIG parenthesis)

6. When your Ignite is above 8k, Cast Combustion (I recommend making a weakaura to know what your ignite is)

7. Cast Inferno Blast to spread DOTs

8. Repeat

 

 

This is not a rotation I'd recommend atm if you have the 2set 2xinferno blast. At the start of the fight do not waste a global cd casting living bomb, this is a time you want to build up your ignite.

 

My recommendation would be to try:

 

1. 4sec before pull, use int pot and start casting pyroblast

2. Spam fireball until you have pyroblast procc+heating up (do NOT use your inferno blast for this as you will use it soon)

3. When both of those proccs are up, do one last fireball followed by a pyro, with some luck you'll chain either 2 or 3 pyros depending on your crit.

4. Use your inferno blast twice, giving the target next to your maintarget double the ignite dmg.

5. Combust on the second target and spread it back to your main target.

6. At this point feel free to use living bomb and inferno blast however you see fit, until combustion is getting off cd.

7. Rinse and repeat.

 

If you want to use fire for single target, I'd replace kindling with crystal. As soon as you got pyroblast+heating up procc'd then simply use your crystal, hope for chaining pyro and then do the 2xinferno blast trick.

However right now single target fire is really unpredictable and weak, getting past 45k dps is hard unless you got enough crit.

[Nesana 0]

When playing Arcane Mage, I would suggest not doing a rotation with a set number of moves. It is all dependant on your amount on mana at the time. I would suggest watching this.

Edited June 28, 2015 by Nesana

[Superion 0]

Hey there!

 

I'd be happy to talk about both Arcane and Fire and how to use them in a raid situation.

 

ARCANE: (Single Target)

 

Arcane is a tricky spec, and people can't seem to understand that.  So often you hear a warlock making fun of an arcane mage implying that the rotation is simple and just spamming two spells.  Back in WotLK I would agree with our frienemy shadowy caster, but Blizzard has made arcane all about planning and executing in this expansion.  

 

As far as gear, you want mastery, mastery, and more mastery.  The more mastery, the more oomph you'll get out of your burn phase.  

 

Stat priorities are as follows: Mastery>Haste>Multistrike>Crit>Versatility

 

I am not a big fan of telling people that Intellect is the most important thing, because obviously it's on all of your gear, I promise you'll get lots of intellect...  Too often you tell someone that intellect is most important, and they drop a 691 mastery/haste ring for a 700 crit/versatility ring.  And for what?  10 intellect?  That gave you about 10 spellpower, and clearly wasn't worth the loss of your top secondary stats as an arcane mage.  It's a very situational thing, that can be evaluated on a case by case basis.

 

*The four set bonus for arcane is nice, but since arcane missiles don't do amazing damage, it's not necessary to do sufficient dps.

 

 Here's how Arcane works: (Burn Phase and Conserve Phase)

 

BURN PHASE:

1. (Fight begins)

2. You want to build up Arcane Charge stacks to increase the damage of your arcane blasts, however, you want to keep your mana as close to 100% so your mastery will have the most effect when you cast your Prismatic Crystal.  So I do 2 or 3 Arcane Blasts to get my Arcane Charges up but not completely drain my mana below 90%.

3. Drop Prismatic Crystal near the boss. (8 yard range)

4. Cast Arcane Power

5. Supernova 2x on Crystal

6. Cast Presence of Mind

7. Spam Arcane Blast until Crystal dies

8. Spam Arcane Blast on boss until Arcane Power fades or your mana drops below 50%.

9. Cast Evocation (Cancel it when you reach 100% mana)

 

CONSERVE PHASE:

1. Cast Arcane Blast 4x

2. Use Arcane Missiles if they proc

3. Cast Supernova (You only get to use Supernova once in this phase. You want to save 2 for next burn phase. Skip this step next time around.)

4. Cast Arcane Barrage to clear Arcane Charge stacks

5. Repeat

 

This will go on until your Prismatic Crystal and Arcane Power are off cooldown and you can begin the "Burn Phase" once again.

 

*Things that are probably limiting DPS*

1. You're taking too long to target the boss after your crystal dies.  Try making the boss your focus so he's easily targeted.

2. You are not planning the use of your crystal well, and the boss is moving out of its range.  You need to anticipate the movement of the boss, and this just takes practice with your tanks.  (Don't be afraid to talk to your tanks and ask that they be mindful of your Crystal's range.)

3.  You are using your Arcane Missiles without having 4 stacks of Arcane Charge.  The missiles do more damage with each stack of Arcane Charge.  To use them with less than 4 stacks is a waste of time.

4. You're using Glyph of Arcane Power: If you're using the Prismatic Crystal, you want your Arcane Power to be lined up with the cooldown of the crystal.  It's a waste of dps to only have Arcane Power every other Crystal.

5. In the conserve phase, YOU AREN'T CLEARING YOUR ARCANE CHARGE STACKS.  Big, Big, BIG mistake that I see time and time again.  Some mages get caught up in the mechanics of the fight that they resort to old habits of just spamming arcane blast forever and just burn their mana to nothing.  With mastery, you do more damage based on the amount of mana you have not used.  So in your conserve phase, you want to have atleast 90% mana at all times.

 

FIRE: (Multi-Target)

 

Fire continues to be such a fun and crazy spec.  You see all these numbers fly across your screen as your DOT up lots of mobs and watch them go boom!  However, it's not an easy spec to play well right away.  It takes a little practice, but it's really a good time.  Fire is all about keeping your DOTs up and spreading the damage from one target to nearby targets.

 

As far as gear you want haste and mastery.  Which makes your life easy, because you can use most of your Arcane gear as fire.  You get a lot of free crit as fire, so there is no real need to stack it as intensely as we used to back in earlier expansions.  I would recommend switching out a couple pieces for a little bit more crit, but nothing crazy; maybe your weapon and which slot is your non-tier piece.

 

Stat Priority are as follows: Haste (up to 10%)>Mastery>Crit>Multistrike>Versatility

 

*The four set bonus is very useful as fire and is a big dps increase.

 

Here's How Fire Works: (DOT em up and spread it!)

 

1. (Fight Begins)

2. Cast Living Bomb on one target

3. Cast Fireball until heating up procs (small fire parenthesis)

4. Cast Inferno Blast

5. Cast Instant Pyroblast (always cast Pyroblast when it procs.  It is the BIG parenthesis)

6. When your Ignite is above 8k, Cast Combustion (I recommend making a weakaura to know what your ignite is)

7. Cast Inferno Blast to spread DOTs

8. Repeat

 

*Things that are probably limiting DPS*

1. You aren't keeping Living Bomb up on your target.  Remember to recast Living Bomb when it finishes.

2. You are hard casting Pyroblast.  NEVER cast Pyroblast manually.  Only use it when it's instant. (BIG parenthesis)

3. You are using Combustion when your ignite isn't high.  If you don't use a weakaura, the best way to guess that your ignite is high is after a lot of Pyroblasts.  If you get two instants Pyroblasts in a row, your ignite is probably pretty high, and you can use Combustion.

4. You're using the glyph of Combustion on fights when adds don't live long.  This glyph is not the go-to glyph.  In BRF, it is only good to use this Glyph on The Iron Maidens when all the adds live for a long time.  When you use this glyph on a fight like Beastlord where the adds are up for about 8 seconds, you wasted the other 8 seconds of the Combustion.  Better to have more short Combustions that get fully used than long ones that mostly get wasted.

 

I absolutely love being a mage and love to help others with what I have learned over the years.  Please let me know if you have any questions or maybe another mage has other ideas to help you out!

 

Musetta- Proudmoore

692 Mage

Love this, really great advice!