Niix 169 Report post Posted January 30, 2015 From now on if you would like help looking over your logs please post them here. Trying to clear up a lot of the clutter from the front page of the forum because it's mostly log help requests. If you post a log analysis request outside of this thread it will be deleted. No exceptions. Please upload logs to https://www.warcraftlogs.com/, as this is preferred by most log analyzers here. THIS IS MANDATORY IF YOU WANT HELP. If you do not know how to upload logs to WCL, please read Krazyito's guide to doing so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Negativity 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2015 So my guild recently killed mythic butcher by the skin of our teeth. My dps fell off since Im playing SV and I died at the enrage so I ended at like 28k which is quite poor. I mostly float around 30-32k and burst is too erratic to give an estimate as SV due to MS/LnL procs. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nRGDMA7xvyh1YTLk#type=damage-done&source=1 http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/proudmoore/Oghrim/advanced Couple of questions and any general criticism on what I could do to be better would be helpful. 1. I know focusing shot is generally the thing to do as SV now but my guild was swapping off stacks at 2 and honestly it just feels like too much of a dps loss if I keep end up having to cancel a 2.2s cast to move for stacks so i was using LW since were moving more often. Am I wrong about this? 2. Just as a general question, should barrage always be taken even without FS on single target? It feels like its more tedious to build up the focus for barrage just using cobra shot without FS. 3. Regarding the opener, Ive been trying to use Azortharian's opener in his guide but the issue I keep having is Ill often get TotH proc and try to expend those at the beginning before casting my first explosive shot but then I keep getting a LnL in the middle of expending TotH so sometimes I lose an explosive shot in that. Is this really worth it to expend TotH before the first explosive shot or am I just getting really unlucky? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krazyito 521 Report post Posted February 1, 2015 I'm sorry I'm not gonna be helpful but, I just have to commend you on your extraordinary feat of making the butcher last 19 seconds past enrage. That in of itself is an accomplishment. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Negativity 0 Report post Posted February 1, 2015 I'm sorry I'm not gonna be helpful but, I just have to commend you on your extraordinary feat of making the butcher last 19 seconds past enrage. That in of itself is an accomplishment. warlocks make good tanks apparently Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iridar 80 Report post Posted February 1, 2015 warlocks make good tanks apparently It was kinda badass when they had a tanking stance glyph back in MoP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iridar 80 Report post Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) 2. Just as a general question, should barrage always be taken even without FS on single target? It feels like its more tedious to build up the focus for barrage just using cobra shot without FS. With Lone Wolf, Barrage generally is not worth using on single target. Sometimes stars align, and it can be worth it, but happens so rarely and the effect on DPS is so small that I wouldn't even bother with it. Cast Barrage on single target when all conditions are fulfilled: 1. No multistrike proc (weapon enchant or Scales of Doom trinket). 2. Serpent Sting will not need refreshing soon. 3. No TotH proc is present. 4. Casting Barrage will not delay using Black Arrow / Explosive Shot / AmoC exactly on cooldown. 5. You will not need the focus to cast Black Arrow / Explosive Shot / AmoC. Naturally, the last condition is the strongest limiter, as LW has very low focus surplus. Edited February 1, 2015 by Iridar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dps1991 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Having troubl with my dps. Not up to par with what other hunters are doing. Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/shuhalo/Thatdpsdoe/simple Log from BRF normal: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LzByG2rN6f8tgK7v/#fight=48&type=damage-done&source=7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Megadeath 4 Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Having troubl with my dps. Not up to par with what other hunters are doing. Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/shuhalo/Thatdpsdoe/simple Log from BRF normal: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LzByG2rN6f8tgK7v/#fight=48&type=damage-done&source=7 First off all your simmed dps are 30.3k which is fairly low for 672 ilvl. Main reasons for that are a realtively low Multistrike rating and the non-hc version of your scales of doom. very small ilvl increases can make a lot of difference especially looking at the scales of doom for survival hunter. Second your Serpent Sting uptime isnt the best, you should be having >98% in all fights. Looking at your procs you had an average Balanced Fate uptime but your Oglethorpes and Archmages were a bit on the unlucky side. The biggest flaw here however is the second pot that hasnt been used at all and hence not been coupled with your last 2 Balanced Fate procs which wouldve been ideal. Also you had your Deterrence up for the full 5 second duration which also loses you quite some dps. I'm not saying you shouldnt use Deterrence by any means but if you only need to block one big hit instead of having the 50% dmg reduction you should consider getting a cancelaura macro to minimize the downtime in your rotation. All above things factor in your underperforming of about 3.5k dps while the second agility pot might be the biggest issue and is easily resolved. Furthermore you should watch your Sepent Sting uptime and be aware of any TotH + Scales procs together that would change your priority where arcane shot becomes your second highest right after LnL procs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dps1991 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2015 Thank you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spyder368 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2015 Hello All, New to a hunter with WoD, previous main was a shadow priest. Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Gk9JgWvtXzAZLPfm#fight=8&type=damage-done&source=41 Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/deathwing/Tigrevurmud/advanced Any and all help is appreciated! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted February 5, 2015 Hello All, New to a hunter with WoD, previous main was a shadow priest. Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Gk9JgWvtXzAZLPfm#fight=8&type=damage-done&source=41 Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/deathwing/Tigrevurmud/advanced Any and all help is appreciated! I've approved your post this time, however you need to complete the sign up process by confirming your email address. Your posts will be hidden by default until you do this. This is to prevent spam. Thank you. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted February 5, 2015 Hello All, New to a hunter with WoD, previous main was a shadow priest. Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Gk9JgWvtXzAZLPfm#fight=8&type=damage-done&source=41 Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/deathwing/Tigrevurmud/advanced Any and all help is appreciated! I'll get to this tomorrow, but just from what I glanced at, work on keeping SS up on multiple targets, as uptime on pheomos wasn't so good, and you lost ~1M damage because of this. Also always be casting something, as you had a few moments of downtime on butcher. And work on using BA on cd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Japiem 1 Report post Posted February 5, 2015 I need some guidance on what I have done terribly wrong in this fight here. I am new to looking at logs but it is something I plan to learn and do from now on. Any tips (Brutal or constructive) are very welcome. Log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qanpFdxMNcAhYZWk/#type=damage-done Armoury: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ravencrest/Japiem/advanced I went with Focusing and steady focus which I know is unconventional but it has been working well for me but since I have gone ToTH. Thank you for your time in advance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spyder368 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2015 I've approved your post this time, however you need to complete the sign up process by confirming your email address. Your posts will be hidden by default until you do this. This is to prevent spam. Thank you. Thanks! According to the message I received after activating my account, my first post has to be admin approved and all posts after this will work. I'll get to this tomorrow, but just from what I glanced at, work on keeping SS up on multiple targets, as uptime on pheomos wasn't so good, and you lost ~1M damage because of this. Also always be casting something, as you had a few moments of downtime on butcher. And work on using BA on cd. I thank you for your time and the insight! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted February 5, 2015 Hello All, New to a hunter with WoD, previous main was a shadow priest. Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Gk9JgWvtXzAZLPfm#fight=8&type=damage-done&source=41 Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/deathwing/Tigrevurmud/advanced Any and all help is appreciated! Ok, time to do a more complete log analysis. Butcher: You used Barrage in your opener, and it was the first thing you cast, which hurt, a lot. Opener should be AMoC+On-Uses (racial, Coin, etc) > BA > ES > AS, with the exception of using AS>ES if you have TotH + Scales of Doom Proc 8/9 casts of BA through multiple small delays in between casts Twin Ogron: SS Uptime: Pol - 93.5%, could be better. Phemos - 12.8%, waaaaaaaayyyyyy too low. Aim for 95% or higher on both. As I said earlier, you lost ~1.1M damage, or almost 4k dps. 11/12 casts of BA. You didn't use Barrage at all, which you should be doing whenever you can when a) Hit both targets, b) Not delay BA/ES for long, and c) when SS doesn't need to be refreshed on anything. I need some guidance on what I have done terribly wrong in this fight here. I am new to looking at logs but it is something I plan to learn and do from now on. Any tips (Brutal or constructive) are very welcome. Log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qanpFdxMNcAhYZWk/#type=damage-done Armoury: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ravencrest/Japiem/advanced I went with Focusing and steady focus which I know is unconventional but it has been working well for me but since I have gone ToTH. Thank you for your time in advance Would like to see more than just Kargath, but it works. Barrage should almost never be used on ST. 8/9 casts of BA 91.2% uptime on SF, which really isn't an optimal talent. TotH gives much better results and allows for easier movement and multidotting/AoE (which isn't an issue in kargath if you're on the ground, but is in all other fights but the butcher). Did you just tank kargath for a berserker rush with double deterrence? This was heroic, just kite him into a pillar, you have disengage and fox if necessary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spyder368 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2015 Ok, time to do a more complete log analysis. Butcher: You used Barrage in your opener, and it was the first thing you cast, which hurt, a lot. Opener should be AMoC+On-Uses (racial, Coin, etc) > BA > ES > AS, with the exception of using AS>ES if you have TotH + Scales of Doom Proc 8/9 casts of BA through multiple small delays in between casts Twin Ogron: SS Uptime: Pol - 93.5%, could be better. Phemos - 12.8%, waaaaaaaayyyyyy too low. Aim for 95% or higher on both. As I said earlier, you lost ~1.1M damage, or almost 4k dps. 11/12 casts of BA. You didn't use Barrage at all, which you should be doing whenever you can when a) Hit both targets, Not delay BA/ES for long, and c) when SS doesn't need to be refreshed on anything. Would like to see more than just Kargath, but it works. Barrage should almost never be used on ST. 8/9 casts of BA 91.2% uptime on SF, which really isn't an optimal talent. TotH gives much better results and allows for easier movement and multidotting/AoE (which isn't an issue in kargath if you're on the ground, but is in all other fights but the butcher). Did you just tank kargath for a berserker rush with double deterrence? This was heroic, just kite him into a pillar, you have disengage and fox if necessary. Thank you for the information! I will get some more logs and use your tips to improve my dps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exactpew 0 Report post Posted February 6, 2015 Hey! I've been struggling for a while now that I rolled a hunter to WoD. Something is just off on my DPS, I feel like I should be able to do more with my gear. I'll include four different encounters here, so you can choose which one is the best to analyze. Beastlord Darmac HC: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LZG6hA4vPVyaKpXm#fight=21&type=damage-done&source=12 Gruul HC: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LZG6hA4vPVyaKpXm#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=12 Butcher HC: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xPzyD3Q6jwWmaR1c#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=18 Twins Mythic: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xPzyD3Q6jwWmaR1c#fight=31&type=damage-done&source=18 Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/tarren-mill/Exactpew/ The mythic war forged Captive Micro-Aberration is from today, replaced my iLVL 640 Skull of War with it. I couldn't find SoW anymore from Icy-Veins BiS list, but I think that the Captive Micro-Aberration is a big up, or? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sargerik 5 Report post Posted February 7, 2015 I went over your logs and it seems fine to me. your dot uptimes are where they need to be and after running you through simc its got you doing 29303 and on gruul's you did 29186 so your damn near spot on in your current gear , I did not look to see if your over capping focus .. also your armory is for exactpew but your or most of the logs have exactpew and fairline so who am I looking at / for.. On a side note you get to run with one of my favorite youtube personalities preach aka meticulous he's a fountain of information I would seek him out as well to see where you might improve as im sure he'd be more than willing to give you a hand Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Megadeath 4 Report post Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Hey! I've been struggling for a while now that I rolled a hunter to WoD. Something is just off on my DPS, I feel like I should be able to do more with my gear. I'll include four different encounters here, so you can choose which one is the best to analyze. Beastlord Darmac HC: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LZG6hA4vPVyaKpXm#fight=21&type=damage-done&source=12 Gruul HC: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LZG6hA4vPVyaKpXm#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=12 Butcher HC: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xPzyD3Q6jwWmaR1c#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=18 Twins Mythic: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xPzyD3Q6jwWmaR1c#fight=31&type=damage-done&source=18 Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/tarren-mill/Exactpew/ The mythic war forged Captive Micro-Aberration is from today, replaced my iLVL 640 Skull of War with it. I couldn't find SoW anymore from Icy-Veins BiS list, but I think that the Captive Micro-Aberration is a big up, or? Can't exactly agree with Sargerik on the DoT uptimes, SS 91% on twins and 80% on Darmac is way off from where you want to be. You want to be around >98% on Serpent Sting optimally. Also on any aoe fight Lone Wolf becomes really annoying to play since you'll always be starved on focus to cast barrage, so you definitely want to play with Focusing Shot on any non pure singletarget fight, which would be every fight except Gruul and Butcher. Edited February 7, 2015 by Megadeath Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sargerik 5 Report post Posted February 7, 2015 I was looking at the gruul fight tbh but yes I should have mentioned that so that's on me . After looking through the Dramac fight his dot uptime seems rather low SS 80% BA 46% ( as I haven't done this fight yet im guessing theres an add phase explaining the low BA uptime so im not sure where that should end up at ) and a low ES 25.6% which im sure should be higher but again ill refer to my statement for BA being the issue there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exactpew 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2015 Aight, thanks both of you. So I'll try to fix my SS and BA uptime and work on those ESs. Just though today that I should probably enable boss frames from my shadowed unitframes and track the SS from them, as I don't really fancy using WeakAuras. Also, I migrated to a different realm and was forced to change my name due to a character named that already existing, so that explains the 2 different names. Thanks alot! :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sargerik 5 Report post Posted February 7, 2015 your welcome and from what I could gather it seems our dot uptimes should be SS 98% or better BA 77% or better ES 55% or better and if that's not correct please let me know but from all the simc results ( understanding its patchwork style fights ) those percentages is what ive come to understand as being what we should be aiming for Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted February 7, 2015 SS should be 97%+, BA is 75%+, and ES is at least 45% is good, but varies due to RNG. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niix 169 Report post Posted February 8, 2015 These are considered very good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goose 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2015 Hey, I'm posting some logs from an open raid pug I joined tonight. 9/10 normal. Heroic kills on oregorger and gruul The main reason I'm posting is another hunter in group, a few ilvls below me (no op weapon or trinks compared to mine) edged me out on multiple fights by a good bit. I didn't think much of it and figured I'd check the logs later to see what I was missing out on. I couldn't find much in the way of wasted focus. Uptimes looked good on most fights for both BA and SS. I struggled with shot priority on Iron maidens and couldn't decide whether I wanted to commit to multi-shot for SS application or target swapping with arcane shot/ToTH. Is there something obvious that I'm missing? Also, is glaive toss back in the single target rotation for SV? Thanks, any help is appreciated www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qPJwgAYZ6byF9tDK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
