6.2 Log Analysis Requests / Help my DPS Thread

[Stefinocrook 0]

ARMORY

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ravencrest/Zionsfall/advanced

 

LOG GRUUL

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DMr19HpLGZ64kNQc#fight=3

LOG HANS

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DMr19HpLGZ64kNQc

 

 

In my opinion these are 2 fights where can be concentrated alot on dps.

In this particular raid my fellow hunter mate from the guild was not here. Though when he is there he always woops my *ss on dps as MM hunter. He's about the same iLVL but has a HC WF bow from bracken.

 

For example below you can see a log from both me and the other hunter on mythic kargath.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BmanzPrgxtw3cbN9#fight=5

 

I'm just looking for improvement

 

Thanks in advance for the feedback.!!!

 

ps: yes, I know I'm not the real zionsfall

 

ps2: yes, I regret it everyday.

Edited February 9, 2015 by Stefinocrook

[Orthios 271]

First off, you are using LW.  Switch to Focusing Shot and you'll see a good 2-3k increase in dps.  Second, you linked the same log, no need to do so.

Log comparison between you and I on Gruul.  This is adjusted to account for kill times.  Note that I was within 600 dps of you and was 4 ilvls lower.

• I had 39 more ticks of SS than you did.
• On a related note, I also had 27 more AS casts than you did.
• You used GT.  The ONLY reason to use glaive toss is if 1) you are moving, 2) you do not have the focus to cast Arcane Shot, 3) no LnL or TotH procs, 4) ES is on cd and 5) you won't delay casting ES or BA.  All 5 conditions must be true.

Hans and Frans.  The difference of Heroic vs Normal is nil, so this is still a valid comparison.

• I had 82 more SS hits.  That's a LOT. 
• 64.5% and 73.3% uptimes on SS vs my 78.9% and 79.8%, this accounts for some of the missing SS ticks.
• Again, related: I had 20 more AS casts and 11 more MS casts (with 21 more MS hits)
• Not using Barrage on 2+ targets, though with LW you rarely have the focus to do so anyways.

I'm going to use my normal Beastlord kill for this comparison.

• 24k..... as a SV hunter....... The only reason you should be this low is if you are specifically assigned to only attack the spears.
• I had 226 more SS ticks than you (possibly due to padding the beasts with MS, but hey, they need to die anyways).
• Barrage did a metric sh*t ton of damage for me on this fight, upwards of 4M.  Compared to the less than 250k you got out of GT, Barrage is the clear winner.  It helps do damage to the spears and pack beasts, plus whatever the main target is.
• 18 casts of BA and only 119 ticks, this says you're using it on something that died well before it ran its course.  You lost a lot of LnL potential here.

Edited February 10, 2015 by Orthios

[Sargerik 5]

these are my logs from Hans and Franz any help on what I need to improve on would be most righteous please keep in mind that after I simc'd myself I should have been doing 24667 in the gear that I had b4 going into last nights raid ...

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MKXv3xNh71GYc8W2/#fight=8&type=damage-done&source=3
 

[Sotes22 0]

Hi, I'm looking to get some info to help one of our hunters dps. Currently as marksman. We just ran BRF but somehow logs got lost but I'll link recent HM runs. Guild as a whole having probs with imp.

We've got some lower dps and am hoping to improve. Any tips are appreciated.

Heroic logs (spent a week on butch)

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WQX1xnv97mZ2zHjA

Normal Imp logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2dfhnPGC9rkB8mzD

Erianda armory

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/hellscream/Erianda/simple

Thanks!

[Orthios 271]

I'll get to both of you here soon, but it will likely be tomorrow before I can. My motherboard finally returned from RMA so I need to get my desktop all put back together and then I have a meeting and then raid after that which will consume my night.

[Emphino 1]

Hey guys, I don't know very much in regards to hunters, but i want to help my friend out.

They feel like they're not doing enough despite being one the better geared guildies.

Here their toon and 2 recent logs.

Toon :- http://eu.battle.net...arnard/advanced

Logs:- https://www.warcraft...Tgqmb32Vfnt9AJK

https://www.warcraft...Dm7PCdkx68p3YZF

They want to be MM

and thank you for your help.:)

[Orthios 271]

these are my logs from Hans and Franz any help on what I need to improve on would be most righteous please keep in mind that after I simc'd myself I should have been doing 24667 in the gear that I had b4 going into last nights raid ...

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MKXv3xNh71GYc8W2/#fight=8&type=damage-done&source=3

 

You could have had a 7th AMoC cast on the germans (thank Nnx for me calling Hans & Franz this), but with the fight being just shy of x:15, you wouldn't have gotten the full effect of the 7th cast anyways.  The delay was the 4th cast, which was delayed ~15s.  On Gruul, it's the same thing, with the second AMoC being delayed just enough to lose that last cast for a bit of extra damage.  Other than that, you seem to have SV hunter down fairly solid.  

 

Hi, I'm looking to get some info to help one of our hunters dps. Currently as marksman. We just ran BRF but somehow logs got lost but I'll link recent HM runs. Guild as a whole having probs with imp.

We've got some lower dps and am hoping to improve. Any tips are appreciated.

Heroic logs (spent a week on butch)

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WQX1xnv97mZ2zHjA

Normal Imp logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2dfhnPGC9rkB8mzD

Erianda armory

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/hellscream/Erianda/simple

Thanks!

Ahh, marksman.  Alrighty then, looking at Butcher:

• 24/31 Uses of Chimaera Shot.  This is MM's hardest hitting ability outside of Kill Shot, and missing this many really hurt his/her dps.
• I really hope that Multi-Shot was fat-fingered (mispressed).
• Delayed the second AMoC cast for almost 30s, cost him/her 7 ticks on their 5th use.
• Make sure to be double-tapping Kill Shot whenever it is available, only don't do this if Chimaera Shot is available.

A bit of advice for Imperator, for P3, tank him in the center as usual and shortly before Mark of Chaos is to be casted, have one tank run out & taunt him out so that only that tank has to move, the ranged group will still be doing their circle with the mines.  Then in P4 everyone spreads out so you don't overlap for the force nova.  For your hunters, you want them to go SV for the ability to quickly get down then adds that spawn when you kill the p4 add, as they can wreck your tank if they stay up too long.  Again, you tank him about in the center of the room.  If they want to be MM, then they must know that they will be doing much less damage than if they were to go SV on this ) fight (and most, brackenspore is the only fight I can think of where MM > SV in highmaul, and that's due to the massive CS and KS with high stacks of flamethrower).  A pointer to your monk, he should be using Storm, Earth, and Fire on the warmages during the intermissions (and he only used ToD once).

[Orthios 271]

Hey guys, I don't know very much in regards to hunters, but i want to help my friend out.

They feel like they're not doing enough despite being one the better geared guildies.

Here their toon and 2 recent logs.

Toon :- http://eu.battle.net...arnard/advanced

Logs:- https://www.warcraft...Tgqmb32Vfnt9AJK

https://www.warcraft...Dm7PCdkx68p3YZF

They want to be MM

and thank you for your help.

I can't help you because none of your links work.  The armory tries to send me to icy-veins.com/advanced while the logs simply aren't linked anywhere even though they appear to be.

[Sotes22 0]

I appreciate the help! I'll pass the word along on the tips. Is SV superior in BRF as well at this point?

[Orthios 271]

I appreciate the help! I'll pass the word along on the tips. Is SV superior in BRF as well at this point?

Only fight I can think of where MM would be better is on blast furnace, since there's a lot of high priority adds that need to go down ASAP (where aimed and kill shot works best).  Outside of that, SV is better for the rest of the fights.

[Aero 0]

The struggle...she is real..and she is a crazy psycho.

 

I'm pulling my hair out over here trying to figure out where i'm going wrong so I though I would turn to the experts to try and help me with my dps issues.

 

 

Logs from Wednesday night:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/abtm9n3J4z61cCNX

 

Link to my armory

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/nerzhul/Aeronaughty/simple

(Note:I acquired the SoW last night so it isn't present during the above logs.)

 

From what I can see i'm solid on my rotation and my dot uptimes, but my dps seems to be anywhere from 3-6k (and sometimes closer to 10k) below where it should be. I feel i'm on the brink of losing my raiding spot, so any help would be appreciated.

 

Warmest Regards,

 

Aero

[Niix 169]

Hey, so the first thing I looked at was your uptimes.

 

 

Black Arrow is 4% low, Serpent Sting is good. Without your 2pc / 4pc, you prioritize Black Arrow. Explosive Shot is random, but there is a way to calculate it. With perfect timing of procs you should've had 66 Explosive Shots. You did fairly well there, so no harm there. I think where you're messing up is properly using your procs.

 

 

This is your opener, if you take a look at it, you double cast Focusing Shot, and cap your focus by a LOT, and don't cast murder until your scales proc is entirely gone. Change your opener to this.

 

 

NEVER double cast a Focusing Shot, EVER.

 

That caused you to waste 287 focus, which is A LOT of abilities. This is where you lost a good chunk of DPS.

 

This is your third Scales proc in the middle of the fight.

 

 

What caused the 4 second delay in casting nothing at the end of that proc? You could've gotten a Focusing Shot off and casted another Arcane Shot.

 

 

 

Your active time is very very poor. This is a log from a while ago from Mythic Butcher where I did 36k. If you look at my active time compared to yours, you were inactive for nearly 1/4th of the fight. And I more than doubled your CPM. Cast more abilities.

 

You had 0 Explosive Traps and it would've been a huge help to you to make sure you have focus for Black Arrow when it comes off CD. Explosive Trap should be used with no procs, and only if you would cast an Arcane Shot instead. It's very helpful for situations where you have about 30 focus and Black Arrow is about to come off cooldown. Where casting a Focusing Shot would delay Black Arrow, and casting an Arcane Shot would Focus starve you.

 

You have a lot you can fix but when you do your DPS will increase a lot.

 

[Orthios 271]

The struggle...she is real..and she is a crazy psycho.

 

I'm pulling my hair out over here trying to figure out where i'm going wrong so I though I would turn to the experts to try and help me with my dps issues.

 

 

Logs from Wednesday night:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/abtm9n3J4z61cCNX

 

Link to my armory

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/nerzhul/Aeronaughty/simple

(Note:I acquired the SoW last night so it isn't present during the above logs.)

 

From what I can see i'm solid on my rotation and my dot uptimes, but my dps seems to be anywhere from 3-6k (and sometimes closer to 10k) below where it should be. I feel i'm on the brink of losing my raiding spot, so any help would be appreciated.

 

Warmest Regards,

 

Aero

I assume you mean SoD (Scales of Doom) and not SoW, as there is no SoW.

Now then, I'll compare your log to some of mine (note, I too got an upgraded Scales just recently, and the log I'm using uses a normal version).

Gruul:

• You're delaying AMoC, and could have had a 5th in before the kill.
• A couple of longer BA delays (>5s)
• Wasted 287 focus?????????? You should NEVER cast FS above 50 focus, and casting between 40-50 is still bad.  Always try to cast FS only when you absolutely need the focus.  Don't forget that you have Exp Trap to use when needed to stall for time without doing nothing.

Flamebender:

• You had a 79% uptime on SS, vs my 94%.  Bring this up, you should never let SS drop off.
• 12/15 BA casts.  That's a good chunk of damage lost, not to mention the lost LnL procs.  Bring your 57.8% uptime to 75%+.
• Massive delay on AMoC from 0:13 to 1:53.  bad bad bad bad bad.  Hit the wolves with it when you can (for reset) and hit Ka'graz when you can't.
• Again, 264 wasted focus.

You died on the germans, so not really much I can do there and neither of us did good on oregorger so......  Work on using FS when you won't cap focus and using BA and AMoC on cd and your dps will improve.

 

Edit: Looks like Nnx got his post in shortly before I did, but the info in each is different and both posts hold their full value.

Edited February 13, 2015 by Orthios

[Aero 0]

Wowzers...thanks for all the work you both put into those open and honest responses. Definitely opened my eyes to quite a few performance issues i'm having within the game and it gives me some goals to work toward.  

 

=)

 

 

[Niix 169]

Wowzers...thanks for all the work you both put into those open and honest responses. Definitely opened my eyes to quite a few performance issues i'm having within the game and it gives me some goals to work toward.  

 

=)

 

First step is seeking help, glad we could assist ya. Hope to see another log of yours soon.

[Emphino 1]

I can't help you because none of your links work.  The armory tries to send me to icy-veins.com/advanced while the logs simply aren't linked anywhere even though they appear to be.

Thank you for trying... ill get those links.

Toon http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/bronzebeard/Bearnard/advanced

Logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hTgqmb32Vfnt9AJK

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4Dm7PCdkx68p3YZF

[Orthios 271]

Thank you for trying... ill get those links.

Toon http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/bronzebeard/Bearnard/advanced

Logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hTgqmb32Vfnt9AJK

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4Dm7PCdkx68p3YZF

Better :)

 

Butcher (first log):

• How is he doing 22k at 669?????
• Focusing Shot??? No, Marksman uses LW.  There's too many nuances to MM that makes FS hard enough to min/max that LW's simplicity easily surpasses it.
• 22/30 Chimaera Shot casts.  He lost ~400k damage here, or ~1500 dps.
• 418 Focus wasted from Focusing Shot.  Wasting this much focus shows that he clearly isn't using it properly.  For MM, he shouldn't be using it anywhere above 65 focus.
• He's not double casting Kill Shot half of the time.
• He should be using TotH, not Dire Beast.
• He delayed AMoC enough between casts to lose the full potential of the 5th cast.

Butcher (second log):

• 21/29 Chimaera Shot casts.
• Dire Beast?????????? No, only BM uses Dire Beast.  SV and MM use TotH.  He's not even using all posible DB's, 8/9.
• Again, delaying AMoC casts.
• What is he using Counter Shot for???? There's nothing to interrupt on butcher.
• This time he wasted 602 Focus.  He's double casting Focusing Shot.  You NEVER double cast FS.  At one point he even triple cast it.  He literally wasted 1/4th of the focus he "gained".

Does he have any way of tracking his current focus?  Or the cd of CS for that matter?

[Emphino 1]

Better

 

Butcher (first log):

• How is he doing 22k at 669?????
• Focusing Shot??? No, Marksman uses LW.  There's too many nuances to MM that makes FS hard enough to min/max that LW's simplicity easily surpasses it.
• 22/30 Chimaera Shot casts.  He lost ~400k damage here, or ~1500 dps.
• 418 Focus wasted from Focusing Shot.  Wasting this much focus shows that he clearly isn't using it properly.  For MM, he shouldn't be using it anywhere above 65 focus.
• He's not double casting Kill Shot half of the time.
• He should be using TotH, not Dire Beast.
• He delayed AMoC enough between casts to lose the full potential of the 5th cast.

Butcher (second log):

• 21/29 Chimaera Shot casts.
• Dire Beast?????????? No, only BM uses Dire Beast.  SV and MM use TotH.  He's not even using all posible DB's, 8/9.
• Again, delaying AMoC casts.
• What is he using Counter Shot for???? There's nothing to interrupt on butcher.
• This time he wasted 602 Focus.  He's double casting Focusing Shot.  You NEVER double cast FS.  At one point he even triple cast it.  He literally wasted 1/4th of the focus he "gained".

Does he have any way of tracking his current focus?  Or the cd of CS for that matter?

 

Thank you I will ask them a bout allt he information and i  will get back to you. :) Via edit through this post.

[Ghuerilla 2]

Hello,

 

669 survival hunter here, relatively comfortable with my DPS but still looking to min/max a little bit. Here are some logs from a PUG H HM last night (Kargath, Butcher, and 2 Brackenspore kills). My SS and BA seem okay, but is there anything anyone is able to see where I can improve on my damage? I seem to constantly get out-dpsed by rogues on cleave fights.

Note: Not in stands on Kargath. Doing stacks on Butcher and flamethrower on both Brackenspore kills. On 1 of the Brack kills I was unable to use 2nd pot because tank whacked up the pull.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xHL4kjy1vPVFcaNY#type=summary&boss=-2&wipes=2

 

On a related note, I am debating whether or not it would be worth it to buy Coin to replace 660 Glad Insignia. could anyone sim me with each piece and let me know about the DPS increase so I can decide for myself? Armory:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/arthas/Extortation/advanced

 

Thanks!

Edited February 16, 2015 by Ghuerilla

[Xerinn 0]

hey guys, im new to wow into my 2nd month now and trying to get my head around SV hunter dps

really struggling to keep on par with what other guys with my gear or less are pulling.

my armory is

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/frostmourne/Xerinn/simple

 

my ilvl is 676/677

 

ive been alternating between lucky double sided coin and skull of war lvl 3, just nailed a perfect fight against gruul. I dont have many logs but u can go through a few of them here, 

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/2688368/latest#boss=0

[Orthios 271]

hey guys, im new to wow into my 2nd month now and trying to get my head around SV hunter dps

really struggling to keep on par with what other guys with my gear or less are pulling.

my armory is

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/frostmourne/Xerinn/simple

 

my ilvl is 676/677

 

ive been alternating between lucky double sided coin and skull of war lvl 3, just nailed a perfect fight against gruul. I dont have many logs but u can go through a few of them here, 

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/2688368/latest#boss=0

On the gruul kill, if you lined up LDSC with your second potion you would've gotten better burst then.  On the Germans (Hans and Franz), make sure to multidot with SS whenever both are active.  Try not to use FS above 40 focus, if you do, you end up wasting some of what's generated.  In the same log, I'm guessing that you were assigned to do spears on Beastlord?  If so, then that would explain why you did less than Blukers, since he was able to multidot and barrage the pack beasts.  It looks like you have the basics down fairly well.

[Megadeath 4]

hey guys, im new to wow into my 2nd month now and trying to get my head around SV hunter dps

really struggling to keep on par with what other guys with my gear or less are pulling.

my armory is

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/frostmourne/Xerinn/simple

 

my ilvl is 676/677

 

ive been alternating between lucky double sided coin and skull of war lvl 3, just nailed a perfect fight against gruul. I dont have many logs but u can go through a few of them here, 

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/2688368/latest#boss=0

 

Pretty much what orthios said, yet i'd like to point out that you had extremely good procc rng on that fight, especially having a 40% uptime of Balanced Fate, your Scales of Doom procc, which got your dps that high.

Don't be disappointed if you pull lower dps on your next fight, your playstyle seems fine.

[Xerinn 0]

yeah thanks guys, im not even considering that fight as a good example. just got super lucky, i just always seem to be 3-6k dps with hunters when i raid, i dont keep logs though but i see they always have alotm roe explosive shot damage as i seem to spam arcane shiot when i have ToTH. Im trying to not do that and really prioritise the explosive shot 

[Orthios 271]

yeah thanks guys, im not even considering that fight as a good example. just got super lucky, i just always seem to be 3-6k dps with hunters when i raid, i dont keep logs though but i see they always have alotm roe explosive shot damage as i seem to spam arcane shiot when i have ToTH. Im trying to not do that and really prioritise the explosive shot 

If they have the 2pc then they are going to have a lot more ES damage from the instant LnL when you cast BA, which can add nearly 20% to its uptime.

[Xerinn 0]

well ive got a 665 tier helmet in bank but dont know if its worth losing my mech shades over for the 2 pc, im still thinking back to before the 2 piece was around and i just feel very far behind. even when i try dps my target dummies i get like 29k only :S