Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 With the recent influx of players visiting these forums, it feels like all we've done for the past two weeks is reply to endless new threads asking for assistance. As such, we have decided to create a home for all those lost souls, and that home is right here in this thread. This will form a consolidated base for all the "help me" threads that pop up. Any new threads will be moved here from now on, but please don't start new ones if you can help it! The DO's - DO post specific questions related to individual encounters - DO post questions regarding Warlock mechanics and optimal usage - DO post logs pertaining to DPS issues - DO ask for us to go into more detail about certain aspects of rotation and 'why' stuff is what it is The DO NOT's - DO NOT post questions regarding which race you should switch to - DO NOT post your armoury and say "halp meh obi liquid, you're my only hope" - DO NOT post questions regarding asking if your stats are ok - DO NOT ask why your DPS is low and provide nothing for us to analyse it with In short, you must provide us with logs so we can help you. Please note that the old WorldofLogs website took a nose dive in 5.4 and is now considered 'dead'. To seek help you must go to WarcraftLogs and download their client, make an account, and jump into a raid. First wing of LFR is great as it gives us two single target fights plus one multi target. Just enter the raid and type /combatlog. Then, when you are finished, type /combatlog again, and load up the WarcraftLogs client. Upload the log, and copy and paste the link here. Enjoy! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ineedacent 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 Hey guys i'm currently playing Destro with - Supremacy, AD and DS. At 660ilvl and i feel i should be pulling more dps, My character's name is Feltwist :< Here are my logs -> http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rrz1zfcs8gxi2odi/details/21/ My armory link - http://eu.battle.net...Feltwist/simple I've been playing a warlock for a couple of expansions now and i've always been up to date with mechanics involved with my class. I try to set up my rotation as accurate as it could be which is mentioned on the site. I do mess up sometimes with Dark soul and procs but still i feel i'm underperforming to other players who are at the same item level as me. Any help to optimize my DPS would be really good help. Plus i've never used Simcraft to weigh my stats because i really thought it was complicated but i'm ready to do that as well now and would like to know if there's a guide on how to use SimCRAFT. I'm currently using Crit > Mastery/Multistrike > Haste > Versa, but i havent experimented on changing enchants and gems cause i'm using all the expensive ones except the weapon enchant which i plan to get when i get a heroic weapon. Will provide more logs tomorrow night as i have a guild run in a long while. Thank you for your help guys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 As mentioned, please return with WarcraftLogs reports and we will help you. No need to worry too much about Simcraft. If you want to mainly play Destruction, a healthy mix of Mastery / Crit / Multistrike will serve you just fine, but don't go turning down a higher ilvl piece because it has Haste, for example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ineedacent 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) As mentioned, please return with WarcraftLogs reports and we will help you. No need to worry too much about Simcraft. If you want to mainly play Destruction, a healthy mix of Mastery / Crit / Multistrike will serve you just fine, but don't go turning down a higher ilvl piece because it has Haste, for example. Okay sorry i'm heading back home from work and i'll reupload the logs on the warcraft logs. Sorry i haven't used logs before as such and i din't know the difference between world-of-logs and warcraftlogs till now. Well now i do, so i'll upload them in an hour. Thank you! Also i'm not planning to play destro only, i plan to try out affliction as a seconday spec on fights with ST as i have a current feeling its much better for ST. Edited December 27, 2014 by ineedacent Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ineedacent 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 As mentioned, please return with WarcraftLogs reports and we will help you. No need to worry too much about Simcraft. If you want to mainly play Destruction, a healthy mix of Mastery / Crit / Multistrike will serve you just fine, but don't go turning down a higher ilvl piece because it has Haste, for example. As asked here are the warcraft logs -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MRz6gkXLVJGcprq8/#fight=21 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted December 27, 2014 Thank you. Much easier to read! First of all good job on Brackenspore. Damage is decent and you definitely have the basics down. Immolate uptime 95% which is fine. Cooldowns mostly lined up well, your Sandmans procced a bit late and second potion with AD is questionable, what did you use it on? I try to save AD for when a big add hits execute. Havoc usage was ok. 10 casts could be higher but iirc you only get 2 shooters on heroic and add likely dies a fair bit quicker. One thing to note is 7 of those Havocs were used on Chaos Bolt, leaving room for 9 spells. You only cast 3 shadowburns under Havoc so this can be improved. I'm not seeing any copied filler spells except one conflag, which means you wasted quite a few charges. I think the solutions here are self explanatory. You don't have copelands so overall damage here is very good. Tighten up Havoc usage and you will see improvements. On Butcher you did ok but not as well. First of all you forgot to use your extra Dark Soul until like 2 seconds before the end so room there for improvement. Just use it at some point when you have over 3 embers and trinket is over 40s away. Potion usage was fine. Immolate uptime was fine. Now here's something. You're still using Shadowburn in execute. This is a mistake. You only want to use Shadowburn for killing blows or in conjunction with Havoc. Single Target it just isn't worth it. It rarely crits, it doesn't refund any mana anymore, and so Chaos Bolt is just plain better.CB allows windows for mana regen and due to its always crit nature is far more consistent. Overall you seem to be doing fine. Brush up on Havoc and Shadowburn, manage cooldowns a tiny bit better, and pray for a 670 weapon with bleeding hollow enchant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naigan 2 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Hey, I have a few questions about destro (a spec I've been trying to learn after the advice given in this thread: https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/8630-imperator-demo-dps/ When havoc is off cool-down, should I always use it on chaos bolt? Or should I use it to aid in ember generation? If it varies between the two, how do I choose which option? Should I be using glyph of dark soul if I struggle to generate even 2 embers by the time it's available to use again? (Had a few more but can't think of them right now!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 I hate Glyph of Dark Soul as Destruction, the 10s window is extremely short and it's pretty difficult to guarantee 4 chaos bolts inside of it. I stick to 20s and aim to get off 5 each time. The rest of my excess embers (usually 3 on a Single Target fight, I think) get spent on my Mark of the Bleedling Hollow enchant. When to Havoc for embers vs spenders depends on the situation. Are you below 1 ember and an add is approaching execute range? Havoc, use 1-2 charges to get you over the threshold and shadowburn. Are you at 2 embers and Dark Soul is off cooldown in 10 seconds? Havoc for embers. Is a high HP add approaching execute range? Havoc and get off 3 shadowburns. If it's not going to die within 5 seconds of your third shadowburn then switch back to your havoc target, cast a few fillers and finish it off a few seconds later to guarantee the ember return... Hope that helps a bit. Havoc usage really is an on the fly decision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamux 4 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 Regarding tectus; up until now I have been using the Doomguard at the start of the fight mainly out of habit and not really thought of it before, but I presume its better to throw in an Infernal when there are 4 motes up? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted December 30, 2014 With 4 targets up I doubt it. With 10 up definitely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thesixthman 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Hello! As the guild I'm currently in progresses through mythic content, I find myself at a loss as to what I'm doing wrong pertaining to my DPS. Recently I was slaughtered on the charts by another destruction warlock with less gear than me. I've been playing a warlock for 9 years now and never have I ran into this issue. Below I'm listing our 7/7 H clear and 1/7 Mythic logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/26YHLfMgAFV93dDP https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8Z2pQR3PhwTWrq4B#fight=7 http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/stormscale/Thesixthman/simple Any help will be greatly appreciated. Edited December 31, 2014 by Thesixthman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zagam 1,982 Report post Posted December 31, 2014 I was slaughtered on the charts by another destruction warlock with less gear than me. Where on the meters is this mysterious slaughtering Warlock? In your Mythic kill, there is only one Warlock. You look fine on Mythic Kargath with a few exceptions - Havoc use is a bit low and Immolate uptime is a bit low. You are not syncing up Copeland's Clarity with Dark Soul - these should be macro'd together at all times. This hurts your CB damage significantly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thesixthman 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2014 Sorry about that. The warlock I was referrring to didn't raid this week due to holidays. Below is our 6/7 Heroic run from the previous week, which includes said other warlock. Initially my plan was to macro Dark Could and Copeland's Clarity together. I was reading on forums somewhere that macro'ing those 2 together could lead to internal GCD errors and sometimes only triggering one and not both. I don't know if there's any truth to that so I just steered away from it. Any insight on that would be greatly accepted. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qHz4CXw8hcQja71J#fight=1&type=damage-done Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted January 1, 2015 Yeah if you try to hit your macro during a GCD it will only activate dark soul and not your trinket. Our advice was to ensure both got used. Not to separate them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thesixthman 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2015 Ahh, i see. Thanks for clearing some things up!! Happy New Year!! :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phlamingo 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2015 Hey guys :D Phlamingo here, destro lock for several years now and looking for any tips that can be offered to become one of the best locks around! Been doing a lot of comparisons with other Warlocks and trying to improve myself as much as possible, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to get a second set of eyes on my current condition if you guys are offering it (: So, after my most recent raid I realized that several of the top Destro Locks are running Mastery instead of Crit now, so I have swapped that over, I hear it's an ever so slight loss on ST dps and a major improvement to anything with more than one target, so I have yet to give that much of an attempt. My main concern is simply mechanics that can be pointed out to improve upon. I will link logs as well as ask a few questions below.Armory - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/bleeding-hollow/Phlamingo/simpleWarcraft Logs - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jFq2TkYXJ4mHCg89These logs were really just about the best I was able to do with the knowledge I have at the moment. However I have a few questions that would be great to have answered.What is an estimate amount of target life time remaining to be worth casting Immolate? I've been casting it with a target maybe having 5-10 seconds of life left and not really sure if that's not enough time to be worth casting or not.When is Havoc + SB really worth it over Havoc + CB? For instance, on Brackenspore with the Spore Shooters, should I save the Havoc to SB it once or twice before it dies, or just shoot off a CB soon after it spawns?What is the best opener? I usually begin with DSI > Racial (Beserking) > Pot with 2 seconds on timer, and then Immolate > Conflag 2x > CB > Incin until second CB then DSI wears off. Usually my Sandmans procs during this time, should I also be continuing to burn my Embers on CB until the trinket buff wears off?Rotation: What would your best description of when to use Conflagrate in your rotation be? Also what is the best way to consume Backdraft? I've read its best used on CB however that seems like it could be situational.Coming upon execute range: For example - On Butcher, I always have 3.5+ shards going into the 30% range when lust pops off, what is the best way to burn cooldowns in this situation? I never know whether to pop everything and shoot off 4 CB's and then use my SB's one by one as the embers are earned or if I should be saving my Offensives for the 20% mark to use 4 SB's. This situation happens on several bosses, My DSI will come off CD around 25-35% Boss HP and I will have 3.5+ Burning Embers and I usually pop the DSI and burn the embers on 4 CB's then end up using SB's one at a time as I regenerate my embers, is this not the most optimal way of using it?Thanks for any help you can provide (: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stunlocked 8 Report post Posted January 1, 2015 Many of your questions can be answered by looking at the Destruction sticky post. You don't burn embers with CB any differently with Bloodlust than you do without it - haste doesn't improve CB's damage. For the Butcher, you shouldn't be using SB at all. It's a loss over Chaos Bolt on single target fights. As normal, cast Chaos Bolts when you're at 3.5 embers or when you can use Dark Soul or a trinket proc. Rotation: What would your best description of when to use Conflagrate in your rotation be? Also what is the best way to consume Backdraft? I've read its best used on CB however that seems like it could be situational. Not sure where you're reading that - everything I've read says to use Incinerate to consume Backdraft, unless you have a buff/proc that will imrpove CB that's about to expire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ellipsis 3 Report post Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) Long time lurker chiming in. These are our logs from tonight. My warlock's name is Caledfwlch. Been playing demo, but I feel like there's something I'm missing. I know my corruption uptimes could be higher and I need to stand in fire a bit less. I feel like my dps should be higher given my ilvl. Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/chogall/Caledfwlch/simple Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pm1K8PyYcQGT2tRM Edited January 2, 2015 by Ellipsis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nephthys 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2015 Hey I'm Nëphthys from [EU]Twisting-Nether.I think i'm decent on some fights and not so good on other ones. As there is always a way to get better , i'd like to know what i do wrong. Here's our the latest log , where mainly i'd be interested in Kargath[mythic] and Imperator [hc].At those encounters i feel like i lack of something. I'd be also glad to here any other suggestions on other fights. Thanks for ur help. And sorry if my English was bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baal 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 Hello, im Baal from Seraph. I have been playing lock since i started this game in cata. i love the class and im here becuase i want to get better. i feel i am doing well overall in Highmaul but i find myself lacking in dps on certain fights. Brackenspore Tectus Twins I have kinda narrowed down my multi target rotation is weak at best. the first 2 fights of high maul my dps is doing very well but i cant get over the hump on other bosses. At this point i dont know whats so bad about me now so any help would be great i have logs, armory and thing else you my need to get my some positive feedback https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ypxZkYQT2w7W1Cm6/#fight=8 http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/combatlog/1f2e463b-70ea-4459-b8cb-85473c521212/report/4#v=0,d=0 http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/malganis/B%C3%A4%C3%A4l/advanced Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikedawg 4 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 Hey guys, quick question: at how many ticks is immolate better than incinerate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshow 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2015 I've been giving Demonology a try, running LFR with it trying to get the rotation down. Here's my armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/proudmoore/Mileris/advanced Here's a log from a Butcher kill: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xLgRNr6h1QYcACzV#fight=15&type=damage-done&source=9 I don't have a solid opener down yet, but other than that any and all feedback would be appreciated. Moved your question to the appropriate sticky. Please try to avoid making new topics in the future - Liquid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liquidsteel 279 Report post Posted January 4, 2015 Hello, im Baal from Seraph. I have been playing lock since i started this game in cata. i love the class and im here becuase i want to get better. i feel i am doing well overall in Highmaul but i find myself lacking in dps on certain fights. Brackenspore Tectus Twins I have kinda narrowed down my multi target rotation is weak at best. the first 2 fights of high maul my dps is doing very well but i cant get over the hump on other bosses. At this point i dont know whats so bad about me now so any help would be great i have logs, armory and thing else you my need to get my some positive feedback https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ypxZkYQT2w7W1Cm6/#fight=8 http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/combatlog/1f2e463b-70ea-4459-b8cb-85473c521212/report/4#v=0,d=0 http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/malganis/B%C3%A4%C3%A4l/advanced Hi Baal. First off your armoury is fine, but please enchant that staff you just got with Mark of the Bleeding Hollow. The Mastery proc goes a long way to boosting your overall Chaos Bolt damage. Optimal usage involves bleeding ~4 embers in between 2 min Dark Soul + Trinket dump. Let's start with Brackenspore then... and yeah. what a mess. 15k DPS had you below both tanks. Immolate uptime of 84.98% is terrible. Get that over 95% and maintain it on both the boss and the large add at all times. Cast it on spore shooters if they will live longer than 5 seconds or so. Next thing is... you're using Charred Remains. Erm... what? Why are you using that? Switch to Demonic Servitude and you will see a massive DPS increase. I'm not going to go into too much detail because I think at this point it will just go over your head. Just know that a) Servitude is just better anyway, It gets better the more movement intensive the fight is, and c) Chaotic Resources is even further weakened in high ember situations such as Brackenspore where your ember generation is inflated via Shadowburn sniping a healthy stream of adds. On that note - Havoc usage. Atrocious. You cast Havoc 4 times in a fight that lasted 6 minutes and 15 seconds. It has a 15 second cooldown! Don't glyph it, and start using it on cooldown if possible. Whilst shadowburn cleaving is the most optimal method, I don't want to overload you right now. Get a Weakaura or whatever for Havoc and start using it the moment adds appear. Just focus on getting off Chaos Bolts for now, and once you become comfortable with it start looking to cleave Shadowburns instead. Next - Cooldown usage. Abysmal. You used Dark Soul 3 out of a possible 5 uses! You didn't cast KJC OR MF so that means you had 5 opportunities to use Dark Soul. You are also casting it before the pull even starts. Don't. See the guide for optimal opener. Get a weakaura and track your Dark Soul. Staring at action bars is inefficient and is hurting your DPS big time. Number of potions used - None - what the hell? Number of times Fire and Brimstone activated - five - what the hell? Number of Wand attacks - THREE!!!!! WHAT THE HELLL!?!?!? Why are you shooting your wand at the boss!?!?! There are so many mistakes and critical gameplay issues here that I wonder what you are doing. Have you even attempted to read any of the guides? Watch any videos of Destruction on these fights? Read any of the previous responses to people posting logs and asking for assistance? You need to sort your user interface out, and brush up on the basics of the spec. There are far larger issues at play here than simply fixing DoT uptimes. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stunlocked 8 Report post Posted January 4, 2015 The wand attacks may be from right clicking a mob while trying to target it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alexsky 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2015 Hey guys, been playing since late Pandas, never had DPS problems, I think can be doing better , got 669 gear https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fc4NvXZny6LWgpj1/#type=summary&boss=-3 nickname is Мангальчик (sorry) armory - http://eu.battle.net/wow/ru/character/%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BA/simple Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
