nidosarg 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 Hellos guys!! I am playing a little bit with Simcraft, and AskMrRobot. Seeing, reading, studing, in every forum or guide i can find about MM. Well, the trouble is here, i configured stats using Azortharion & Niix's Marksmanship Hunter Guide. 2.80 - Weapon DPS 1.00 - Agility 0.90 - Attack Power 0.71 - Crit to 53% 0.64 - Multistrike 0.60 Versatility 0.59 - Mastery 0.58 - Haste Ask Mr Robot tells me that i have to change some Items becouse is better for me. (Best in Bags) but if i do those changes in simcraft i lose 1.5k DPS. I dont know if i am doing wrong something, or if AskMrRobot is not helping Me. Actual Gear 50411 DPS ASK MR ROBOT GEAR 48939 DPS I add you a Google Doc with captures for more explination: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tACreeT4wa45xgkskAx-8j6tgoFjwJpVAeTk_hz7nTc/edit?usp=sharing Again Really Sorry for me primitive English. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 More than likely something got messed up on your end. Got an armory and AMR BiB string for me to test? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nidosarg 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Yes this is my Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/es/character/ragnaros/Cordob%C3%A9s/advanced hunter=cordobés origin="http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/player/us/ragnaros/cordob%c3%a9s" level=100 race=blood_elf role=attack spec=marksmanship professions= talents=3123333 glyphs=56850/57902/119447/119462/132106 head=rylakstalkers_headguard,id=115545,bonus_id=566 neck=choker_of_reciprocity,id=127976,enchant_id=5317 shoulders=rylakstalkers_spaulders,id=115547,bonus_id=566 chest=rylakstalkers_tunic,id=115548,bonus_id=566 waist=cursed_demonchain_belt,id=124311,bonus_id=566 legs=wayfaring_leggings,id=116189,bonus_id=66/536/618 feet=unhallowed_voidlink_boots,id=124288,bonus_id=564/566,gem_id=127760 wrists=bracers_of_the_wolfs_cunning,id=113943,bonus_id=566 hands=rylakstalkers_gloves,id=115549,bonus_id=566 finger1=unexploded_explosive_shard,id=113877,bonus_id=566,enchant_id=5324 finger2=spellbound_solium_band_of_fatal_strikes,id=118302,enchant_id=5324 trinket1=stone_of_the_elements,id=128024 trinket2=skull_of_war,id=112318,bonus_id=529/618 back=gossamer_felscorched_scarf,id=127971,enchant_id=5310 main_hand=felfire_munitions_launcher,id=124370,bonus_id=566,enchant_id=5276 summon_pet=cat ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And this is the BiB from AskMrRobot: hunter=cordobés origin="http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/player/us/ragnaros/cordob%c3%a9s" level=100 race=blood_elf role=attack spec=marksmanship professions= talents=3123333 glyphs=56850/57902/119447/119462/132106 head=rylakstalkers_headguard,id=115545,bonus_id=566 neck=choker_of_reciprocity,id=127976,enchant_id=5317 shoulders=rylakstalkers_spaulders,id=115547,bonus_id=566 chest=rylakstalkers_tunic,id=115548,bonus_id=566 waist=cursed_demonchain_belt,id=124311,bonus_id=566 legs=wayfaring_leggings,id=116189,bonus_id=66/536/618 feet=unhallowed_voidlink_boots,id=124288,bonus_id=564/566,gem_id=127760 wrists=bracers_of_the_wolfs_cunning,id=113943,bonus_id=566 hands=rylakstalkers_gloves,id=115549,bonus_id=566 finger1=unexploded_explosive_shard,id=113877,bonus_id=566,enchant_id=5324 finger2=spellbound_solium_band_of_fatal_strikes,id=118302,enchant_id=5324 trinket1=stone_of_the_elements,id=128024 trinket2=meaty_dragonspine_trophy,id=118114,bonus_id=564/566,gem_id=127760 back=gossamer_felscorched_scarf,id=127971,enchant_id=5310 main_hand=shredirons_shredder,id=109168,bonus_id=82/532/620,enchant_id=5275 summon_pet=cat Thanks for the Really Fast Answer!! Edited July 23, 2015 by nidosarg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nidosarg 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 Also i dont know why when i change the new stats from the guide is better Weapon Enchant Multi than Crit.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 Well, i more wanted the string from the AMR addon that gave you the BiB suggestions, but I can kinda work with this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nidosarg 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 Sorry i cant find a good translation for String (i only find something like cord, musicall). Where can i get that string? Is the ingame Addon Code? I have saved in AskMrRobot, i can give you that in a few hours when i can go back home. Also i have 1 Tier 18 Helm H (i dont use that becouse i have to break 4 parts of tier T17) Also have parts 685 with crit multy but doing test with simcraft is better some parts from Kazzak 710 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 Ok, so the big thing was the trinket, AMR isn't the best resource when it comes to trinkets. It values them based on the weight of the static stats + the weight of the dynamic stats multiplied by it's "average" uptime. After that, the weapon difference will be rather small due to them being the same ilvl. The crafted weapon should be better though due to it being crit/ms. This is what I meant by string: 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nidosarg 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 So you say that is better to change Skull of War +6 for Meaty Dragonspine Trophy H + Socket 75 Crit. And use Weapon Crafted +6 Crit Multi instead Felfire Munitions Launcher I have done a simcraft and equip Gear (Skull and Felfire) give me more dps than the BiB. Thats its why i am little confused right now jaja Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nidosarg 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) I will give my string at soon i can get my home. Becouse i also have Beating Heart of the Mountain H (No sockets) but i think is better becouse procs Multi rater than Haste. TESTED IN SIMCRAFT is better keep the equip gear 49064 with BHofM. So Ask Mr Robot is Not 100% improved for better dps Edited July 23, 2015 by nidosarg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 Your current gear (without seeing the BiB string) is the best setup, no need to change anything. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nidosarg 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 Thanks Orthios i will post my string soon as i get my home. Edith Weigths are well configurated? (Google Docs) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoopercat 22 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Nidosarg, I'm from Ask Mr. Robot. We do give you the single best solution, based on stat weights. It's possible different stat weights may work better for you. Also, what sim setup are you using (single target, multi target, any special settings?) Edited July 23, 2015 by Zoopercat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 I can't answer for Nidosarg specifically, but this is the result I get from simming his character vs. the changes that AMR is suggesting. Full settings are 10k iterations, 350s +/- 20%, 1 target, patchwerk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nidosarg 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 Hello and loool didnt know that Ask Mr Robot have support here too.. Thats nice.. First of all here is my String Orthios: $28;US;Ragnaros;Cordobés;Nazgrims Legacy;1;2;100;13:1,15:2,14:1;1;.s1;9;3123333;56850,1052,61545,15,12644;.s2;8;3131333;19573,1322,36971,36,61562,12642;.q1;112318s14b529b89;1559s11b-52e5324;66s9b0;1602s1b0;2s3b0;1s5b0;1s10b0;640s7b-500b470b82;2113s12e0;5986s8b-54b2x5413;23s6b0;59s16b0e-48;3601s15e34;5s2e7;48s13;.q2;109168s16b82b449b88;649s7b23b1;2501s13b-113b87;1275s10b-50;2598s5b-374b343b81;2106s12;511s15;54s11;14s14;19s1;439s9b-51;5s8b0;4972s6;3665s2;375s3b-375b460b2;.r;1269:3,1337:5,1341:3,1375:3,1387:0,1376:0,1435:4,1388:4,1270:4;.inv;50363;14911;6129f293;14;20;20;30381f354u491;7330b82b450b88e5276;4681b-580;16b526;27b-2b2;7b-5b5;0b0;30b-525b523b2;2b0;35b0;5b0e34;2054;2;164b-491b460b82;1923b-53b2x5346;6094;82;6b0;0;13;2;1;3820$ Second: The config i am setting up is Default, Single Target. 200 ms (thats my latency generally) Here is a Print Screen of the setup: http://prntscr.com/7w5a36 Third: I didnt want to be ofensive at any moment with my coment: So Ask Mr Robot is Not 100% improved for better dps Just i didnt knew that trinkets stats was priority in AskMrRobot, i thougt that the addon makes like a SimCraft of the Gear and then give a BiB. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 Hello and loool didnt know that Ask Mr Robot have support here too.. Thats nice.. First of all here is my String Orthios: $28;US;Ragnaros;Cordobés;Nazgrims Legacy;1;2;100;13:1,15:2,14:1;1;.s1;9;3123333;56850,1052,61545,15,12644;.s2;8;3131333;19573,1322,36971,36,61562,12642;.q1;112318s14b529b89;1559s11b-52e5324;66s9b0;1602s1b0;2s3b0;1s5b0;1s10b0;640s7b-500b470b82;2113s12e0;5986s8b-54b2x5413;23s6b0;59s16b0e-48;3601s15e34;5s2e7;48s13;.q2;109168s16b82b449b88;649s7b23b1;2501s13b-113b87;1275s10b-50;2598s5b-374b343b81;2106s12;511s15;54s11;14s14;19s1;439s9b-51;5s8b0;4972s6;3665s2;375s3b-375b460b2;.r;1269:3,1337:5,1341:3,1375:3,1387:0,1376:0,1435:4,1388:4,1270:4;.inv;50363;14911;6129f293;14;20;20;30381f354u491;7330b82b450b88e5276;4681b-580;16b526;27b-2b2;7b-5b5;0b0;30b-525b523b2;2b0;35b0;5b0e34;2054;2;164b-491b460b82;1923b-53b2x5346;6094;82;6b0;0;13;2;1;3820$ Second: The config i am setting up is Default, Single Target. 200 ms (thats my latency generally) Here is a Print Screen of the setup: http://prntscr.com/7w5a36 Third: I didnt want to be ofensive at any moment with my coment: Just i didnt knew that trinkets stats was priority in AskMrRobot, i thougt that the addon makes like a SimCraft of the Gear and then give a BiB. Well, I'm not sure where you were getting the earlier suggestions from, because when I imported the string, the only thing it suggests to change is the bracers: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nidosarg 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 Look Orthios: I think the problem maybe be the Weigths Stats: I can see in your pickture you dont have soft cap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 Yes, I don't include a crit cap when optimizing on AMR. You also have anything after 53% as having 0 weight, which AMR interprets as you absolutely do NOT want to go above 53% crit. AMR does something odd when it comes to stat caps and procs, in that it values everything up to the cap at the weight before the cap, and everything after the cap at the weight that's set for that stat after you reach that cap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoopercat 22 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 No offense, and I know english isn't your first language. I just wanted to make sure there was a distinction, that our results are 100% optimal, but based on stat weights. What happens if you use Azorathian's preset weights? Have you looked at the weights SimC suggests and put those into our site? Keep us posted! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nidosarg 0 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 Back here again and with a few new things ! Azortharion Stats are not actualized, the stats on the guide and the newone are not the same. I tried with default Azhortarion stats and this is whats happen: I am doing something wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoopercat 22 Report post Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Edit: I found his guides. I updated them on our master spreadsheet, and they will be in our next site update. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I8dysLq559MGWoXyS3eC3Ib9xnmsTcE4oWwkMalp578/edit#gid=1584123107 Edited July 23, 2015 by Zoopercat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted July 24, 2015 Edit: I found his guides. I updated them on our master spreadsheet, and they will be in our next site update. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I8dysLq559MGWoXyS3eC3Ib9xnmsTcE4oWwkMalp578/edit#gid=1584123107 One thing that bothers me with this is that there isn't a weight for crit post 53% (or rather, it has a weight of 0), which isn't true. Crit is still valuable after hitting 53%, and even M WF Socketed BiS doesn't get to that much static crit unless you run Fel Coil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoopercat 22 Report post Posted July 24, 2015 I talked with Azortharion about it. He said you can't reach the crit cap, so adding a value after doesn't matter. Unless you drop iLevels to get wierd garrison mission pieces with just 1 secondary stat on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orthios 271 Report post Posted July 24, 2015 I talked with Azortharion about it. He said you can't reach the crit cap, so adding a value after doesn't matter. Unless you drop iLevels to get wierd garrison mission pieces with just 1 secondary stat on them. The problem isn't with the static stats on gear though, it's with trinkets and procs that would potentially put you over the 53% cap. How AMR currently works (from my observations) is that if you have a weight of 0 for crit post 53%, then anything that would put you over 53% crit is devalued immensely. It values all crit up to 53% at the weight given for crit to 53%, and then any and all leftover crit rating post 53% is valued at the weight of crit post 53%. Since this post 53% weight is 0, it heavily devalues trinkets such as Skull of War, and that was what brought about this thread in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nidosarg 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2015 I think i am understanding the point of view of Orthios. I am doing a LOT of test of all the trinkets i have with simcraft and also the crafted gear (becouse in my server i can do mythic yet so crafted gear is good for increase stats) and a im noticing that some variables can be modified to get "that 53% crit (i obviously cant get)" with trinkets ups, and put more items on Multistrike. (When i say ITEMS, i am mention the ITEMS in my Bag). I am changin 1 item, test, changing, test, changing, test. I think its one of the best way to do. It become hard to do when i dont have crafted the item +6 yet. If i understand wrong tell me, becouse i really tried to follow the post on Orthios but have too many IF. All the suggestion will be accepted, i am really new at this (Simcraft, TherorityCraft, AskMrRobot, Pawn (lastone didnt like so much becouse if the item have the same ilvl dont show as an upgrade for stats and i delete it from my addons) Also i will be really apreciated if you can bring to me some sites that do test or simcraft for better understanding all this. Goodnight guys! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
