Heroes of the Storm Murky

[darkdill 4]

Should The Butcher be listed as one of Murky's counters? If Butcher continuously ganks a careless Murky, the amount of Meat given from Murky's deaths can make him a liability to his team.

[Guest Pangu]

I'm a Murky one-trick, the level 16 skill should be changed to fit Murky's hit and run style in the current meta. He plays better as a 1v1 pick character and can do well against many heroes. The skill for 16 should be changed over to Toxic build up to fit the slime build built up in previous talents. If you wanted to do something with pufferfish, the better option would be Wrath of Cod, which will deal immense damage to unsuspecting players.

[Morcalivan 86]

ArtVandelay, it works in lower bronze ranked where I am pretty well. Everyone tells me not to grab him and every time I do they complain that the game is over and that I should be reported, and then we crush the other team. Laning, killing, camps, even getting gems. Most of it is easier with Murky because of that bubble escape and the ability to attack while moving. And no, I don't take octo-grab. March is just too useful in taking objectives and dealing siege damage, something which I am always at the top of. Octo-grab takes away Murky's biggest strength, mobility. That said, if you grab basic attack armour buff instead of healing bubble, sure, go solo Diablo for wearing a Murky skin. But you don't even need Octo-Grab for that. I've not determined yet if I do more in team fights with Murky than my other characters, but, I do more than my share of damage and most importantly I can finish kills normally too dangerous or too fast to finish. Combined with the fast respawn = numbers advantage, on top of the early lvl advantage. Not sure why people complain.

This may not work at higher levels, but at my level there is no reason for people to complain about Murky. Unless they want to play him. Then I completely understand. :p

I've been told a first pick Murky is bad since people can counter him. Aside from that being the case for every hero, what counter? The moment you're fighting Murky you've lost.  I've faced the 'weakness' characters. So sure, they're tougher with Zarya's shield, but they don't actually stop the objective of playing Murky. Xp piles up, camps get capped, enemy team gets seperated and siege damage clears towers. Like I said, this may change later in higher ranks, but not yet.

So, from this noob here, Murky approved for Bronze! :)

Have yet to play only Murky in ranked though. Too many trolls and opinions. Need to play more of him over other characters to advance properly. Maybe playing him makes me suicidal with my other characters?

I do think Abathur counters Murky somewhat, though that might just be because I play Murky and Abathur quite a bit myself. They have many similarities and advantages. Xp, siege damage, low downtime, and kills are always high when the game ends. Siege and xp nearly always highest. Abathur can also pop down to fight Murky trying to lane then pop back up to help team fight, gicing the team an advantagr while slowing Murky's laning. I think that is the true counter, not a 'I can solo Murky' wonnabe.

Edited January 6, 2018 by Morcalivan

[Guest FullMango]

I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere in this thread. 

In the talent build section of the guide, the last sentence under "Egg Hunt":
 

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Additional Eggs can also be used to "tank" hits from Mercenary Camps and to apply an initial stack of Slime on them before initiating.

As of 5 or 6 months ago, this is no longer possible.

 

[RadicalEd 0]

Fenix should be added as a hardcounter. The problem is here the Repeater Cannon against your fish. You simply can't do anything against him. Even after an additional nerv of Fenix, I doubt that this will be changed.

[XeaKon 23]

Murky can be kited by Fenix but if he comes out of a bush he can use Toxic Buildup and fish tank to force Fenix to warp.

[Gaarkan 1]

I bought murk due to low free rotation rate, and have met with little success, advice?

[positiv2 953]

1 hour ago, Gaarkan said:

I bought murk due to low free rotation rate, and have met with little success, advice?

In my opinion, Murky is a hard-to-play hero, mainly because of the low health pool. Pufferfish being hard to land consistently does not help that either, nor does the complexity of the trait, which is Murky's biggest strength, and so using it incorrectly can result in very poor performance. Practice helps a lot, and so do videos about the hero.

If you are sure you are using the abilities correctly (to some extent, anyway), try teaming up with a friend who would play a synergistic hero. There is also the possibility of Murky being completely countered in the meta at your rank, which is something you can do nothing about.

[ShadowerDerek 69]

1 hour ago, Gaarkan said:

I bought murk due to low free rotation rate, and have met with little success, advice?

First, Murky is a late game hero. He's incredibly weak early game, so just soak lanes and don't bother to join team fight until like lv 10 or 13.

Second, Murky has more than 1 build. I'm gonna share my own builds below:

Slime build: team fight build

Lv 1: Egg Hunt/A Fishy Deal

Lv 4: Slime Time

Lv 7: Black Lagoon/Time To Krill

Lv 10: March of the Murlocs

Lv 13: Reju Bubble/Fish Tank

Lv 16: Fish Oil/Toxic Buildup

Lv 20: Big Tuna/Never-Ending Murlocs/Making Inky

Talents like Time To Krill, Fish Tank and Toxic Buildup are really strong against melee-heavy teams, but bad otherwise.

Split push build: good on large macro maps, where you can split push to force your opponent to respond and punish a single ganker with Tufferfish+Octo-grab combo

Lv 1: A Fishy Deal

Lv 4: Tufferfish

Lv 7: Slippery When Wet/Time To Krill

Lv 10: Octo-grab

Lv 13: Reju Bubble/Fish Tank

Lv 16: Fish Oil

Lv 20: And a Shark Too/Making Inky

Special mention to some trap talents you should never get:

Fish Eye (lv 1): this encourage risky egg placement, on top of telling your opponent where your egg is. If you want additional scouting, those fake eggs from Egg Hunt can do the job.

Egg Shell (lv13): the shield is too small and doesn't regenerate.

Wrath of Cod (lv 16): even if you want to build around this talent with Tufferfish and Octo-grab, Fish Oil is still a better choice because you don't need to get close to your target to slime him for the Tufferfish value, and you can save your Slime for extra damage (with the Slime bonus) after Octo-grab ends.

These are my own insight about Murky. It might help you get better with this fun hero.

Edited May 10, 2018 by ShadowerDerek

[XeaKon 23]

Why would you take Tufferfish ShadowDerek and not Living the Dream if you go for split pushing ? It gives you more dmg.

[ShadowerDerek 69]

On 2018年5月16日 at 11:02 PM, XeaKon said:

Why would you take Tufferfish ShadowDerek and not Living the Dream if you go for split pushing ? It gives you more dmg.

1. better waveclear: a Pufferfish + a Slime and the whole wave is gone.

1.a. easy bribe stacks

2. more damage for the Octo-grab combo. It's a 50% damage increase on your main damage source, while Living the Dream only has 15% damage increase at max.

3. doesn't get punished for dying: as a Murky, often times you need to sacrifice yourself, like protecting your team, trading damage, destroying a low health structure, etc.

Living the Dream is usually paired with March of the Murloc to provide amazing AOE damage and zoning.

[Morcalivan 86]

Not sure what that suggestion about no team fights was. Pufferfish  dropped in the middle of a team can lead to a change of targets or a successful strike. Running through a team and sliming them then popping a bubble to avoid hits and body block is also useful. Just don't spend too much time doing it at lower levels since XP is your primary advantage. Secondary advantage is quick and easy enemy merc camps. Objective coming up that will require a team fight? Place your egg in a shadowed area near objective ahead of time.

Tufferfish with Octo-Grab and Fish Tank with Slime Time are both two different and powerful builds. One bribes and one-shots enemies, while the other shreds anyone who wants to melee. Either one can be great for team fighting. Also makes for a great Symbiote target for Abathur. :p