Sub rogue opener with 4-set and Archi trinket

[Lannth 0]

Hey guys,

 

This tier im clueless how my opener should look like?

Currently its something like that:

 

prem>slice & dice> preopot > ambush > vanish > ambush > rupture > shadow reflection & shadow dance > spam ambush untill i refresh S&D > premed > vanish > ambush 

 

Also should i use Subterfuge or Shadow Focus? (currently im using shadow focus)

[Teflondon 0]

12pull prem-> snd prepot @1 -> vanish -> SR -> rupture and go from there. Use subterfuge with vanish glyph.

[Nyoron 0]

I watched Final Boss #92 - Warlords of Ketchup: Agility Melee [1 of 8] on yt yesterday. Vigilate said some interesting things:

SR gets the Legendary Ring buff only if SR is cast before the ring is used. You use Vanish after pull (Set Bonus).

 

So a possible opening sequence could be:

 

Prepull: prem, snd, pot

Pull: Garrote, Ambush, Vanish, Shadow Reflection, Rupture, Ambush  ???

 

Prior to the Set Bonuses + leg. Ring i used this opener:

Prepull stuff, Garrote, Ambush, (wait for 5 CP with HaT) SR, Rupture, SD ...

 

This way my SR and SD cds lines up pretty nicely.

 

The Problems with leg. Ring and Set Bonus:

- Ring is used 1-2 second after pull (in my raid at least) -> SR has to be used right at the pull OR SR doesn't benefit from the ring buff.

- Vanish is used early for the dmg buff, that means you have to delay SD? -> SR and SD cds don't line up OR you use SD anyway but that wastes Vanish and therefore FW uptime.

 

 

12pull prem-> snd prepot @1 -> vanish -> SR -> rupture and go from there. Use subterfuge with vanish glyph.

 

So Vanish gets you 5 CP for Rupture. That makes sense. What do you do after Rupture? Ambush times X, Evis i guess ...? When do you use SD? What do you use your second SR with?

 

I would really love to know what the "best" opener for Sub with t18 4pc and leg. Ring is.

Looking forward to your answers!

Edited August 19, 2015 by Nyoron

[Nyoron 0]

Hi again.

 

After a few Tests i came to following conclusion:

(pretty much what Teflondon already said)

 

Prepull fun

Pull: Vanish, SR, Ring, Rupture, SD, Ambushes (Refresh SnD + Rupture), Evis, have Fun

 

Have a nice day.