Heroes of the Storm Azmodan

[Damien 1,514]

This thread is for comments about our Azmodan build guide for Heroes of the Storm.

[Guest Stauby]

Hi, i main Azmodan and i can give you a few more informations:
Stacking without help works best on solo lanes where noone will interrupt your stacking (roaming enemies or an other team-mate that just destroy your progress of stacking by finishing of the lanes.)

So here i go: best way in stacking solo is to NOT PUSH your lane. Do as less damage as possible to keep the wave alive as long as possible to use "q" 2 times.
First you Lazer the health globe unit, till it has about 10% hp left. then your ally units should have taken down a meele enemie unit to 10% too. finish them off with the first q to get 4 stacks.
Wait and try to bringt down the range enemie units by auto attacks to get 4 more stacks with the 2. q.
Dont use more spells and attacks than necessery to keep your lane unpushed (try to hold them between both keeps) by start spawnen units when the other Hero pushes too much against you. Dont use "d" on cd at the beginning, just for depush).
At level 7 you should have about 50 stacks to let the following work:
q the first time (predicting when the enemie creep wave is still not fighting against yours, but when it is at their keep.
The second q should be ready in 0-3 sec after both waves start fighting. your can use it 1 more time to finish the whole wave off and getting 8-14 stacks.

So u should get about 100-140 stacks to continue stacking at lvl 10 without any more need of auto hits or anything else to get 10 stacks each wave by using   r+q.


So this is a much better way to stack solo, by stacking with leoric you can get twice as much, obviously roaming between two lanes.

On more thing that i should mention is that you dont have to lasthit a wave with your q. If the units die 0,5 sec after you hit your q, you will still get stacks. So you q and leoric will finish them off in early.



Next point: Positioning: Its best not to be in teamfight directly. You should stand behind your range assasins or on an other lane. The trick is to not let the enemie team see when you cast your q (because it has a sooo fucking damn high range). Its much more suprising and they nearly cant avoid it that way. I dont know the english word for sure, but i was something like "fog of war" if i remember correctly. The places where the enemy team cant see you. Thats the position where you have to hide and just q. Later you can directly join the tf, when u poked enough.

i hope this will help.

[Guest Worst ult]

Worst ult ever...

 

[Niteshadow 20]

On August 14, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Guest Worst ult said:

Worst ult ever...

 

Which one are you referring to?

[Valks 2,375]

On 12/14/2016 at 1:55 AM, Niteshadow said:

Which one are you referring to?

The ult that is the worst - you know, the ult.

[Guest Nort]

This is by far the worst build for Azmodan. Have you ever seen anyone play him in tournaments? Or even high level ranked mode? Laser talents are for handicapping yourself so your opponent has a chance to win. They do absolutely nothing. You can't team fight with them, they don't give waveclear, and they don't let Azmodan win 1v1s against any characters he wouldn't win against anyway.

When I see people take these talents I report them.

[positiv2 952]

8 hours ago, Guest Nort said:

This is by far the worst build for Azmodan. Have you ever seen anyone play him in tournaments? Or even high level ranked mode? Laser talents are for handicapping yourself so your opponent has a chance to win. They do absolutely nothing. You can't team fight with them, they don't give waveclear, and they don't let Azmodan win 1v1s against any characters he wouldn't win against anyway.

When I see people take these talents I report them.

Nice, you are reporting a quarter of Azmodan players in HL Plat+ (which I would consider high-levelled ranked mode. Now, if you were a bit more constructive, that would be nice of you.

[Fabels 0]

Level 13 talent for Taste for blood is wrong

[positiv2 952]

4 hours ago, Fabels said:

Level 13 talent for Taste for blood is wrong

Do you mean in the Taste for Blood build? Could you reply why you believe it is a wrong choice?

[Guest Guest WorgenFreeMane]

How does azmodan perform on the map "Braxis hold out" ?

[Valhalen 1,484]

10 hours ago, Guest Guest WorgenFreeMane said:

How does azmodan perform on the map "Braxis hold out" ?

From personal experience by fighting along and against Azmodans, I'd say he performs quite well. Not his best map, but he can intercept enemies trying to capture the beacons. I'm not sure if you can build his Azmodunk build from Zerg Rush, but if he can, it is great for him.

I think Azmodan truly shines at maps with 3 lanes, though.

[Fabels 0]

On 5/27/2017 at 0:06 AM, positiv2 said:

Do you mean in the Taste for Blood build? Could you reply why you believe it is a wrong choice?

Hellforged armor and Hedonism both make a lot more sense with the build hello?

[positiv2 952]

3 hours ago, Fabels said:

Hellforged armor and Hedonism both make a lot more sense with the build hello?

Simply because it has synergy with the skill you are focusing on, doesn't mean it's a good choice - if you were going for a Frostmourne Hungers build for Arthas, you wouldn't be picking all talents improving the trait either.

Hellforged Armor doesn't provide enough damage from the aura, and the extra survivability isn't really impactful.
Hedonism isn't required as you already have mana management talent on level 4, and Azmodan isn't even that mana hungry.

So, why not pick a talent that allows you to deal a lot more damage, even if it does not affect Globe Of Annihilation (same for tier 16 talents)?

[Guest Equalisher]

This need to be reviewed and updated

[positiv2 952]

21 minutes ago, Guest Equalisher said:

This need to be reviewed and updated

Why's that?

[Guest Just tried the build]

Win or lose, I kept getting the highest hero and seige dps. The 30 stacks are so easy to get that you have pretty insane dmg of around 900 in a large AOE which is great for battles and pick offs.

I always ran out of mana so I chose hedonism, maybe due to playstyle of hanging around the back and seiging. Just dont die and eventually run out of mana.

Thanks for build, have played azmo before but this is by far the easiest build with maximum effect.

[Katylea 0]

because he tells us to take sieging wrath in the talent lineup but talks about how awesome taste for blood is. its inaccurate and really confusing for new azmo players.

[positiv2 952]

On 1. 1. 2018 at 7:36 PM, Katylea said:

because he tells us to take sieging wrath in the talent lineup but talks about how awesome taste for blood is. its inaccurate and really confusing for new azmo players.

I don't see where Taste for Blood is being praised without Sieging Wrath being mentioned as a superior talent. Could you please let me know where it so, so we can amend it? Thanks!

[Emergenza 6]

Howdy,

I guess, I've found 2 little 'mistakes' in the talent guide.

1. Tier 7, Infernal globe -> "One noteworthy aspect of Infernal Globe is that the increased cast time... " --> The cast time is decreased.

2. Tier 13, Hellforged armor -> "..damage reduction provided by the Talent is useful for wasting Structure Ammo..." --> A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. =;o)

Stay safe!

[positiv2 952]

Thanks! We're aware of both issues and were waiting for Oxy to fix them.

[Guest wahrwolf]

Hi there,

so I am playing azmodan for quite some time as a main now and noticed a few things, worth mentioning in the build.

 

From my experience there are mainly 3  builds, that work decently.

1. the dunk build

   - as described in the iciy veins guide 

2. the red spagethi (lazor) build

   - pick anything with lazors and the Sin's Grasp (bc you can cast during lazor)

3. the wtf winions (wd) build

  - improve your general and your demons 

 

So while I totally recommend both the Sieging Wrath and the Infernal Globe for beginners, an experienced player can get way more out with Taste for Blood and Bound Minion ( which is one of the best late game ability in the game imho)

It may be harder to actually land the final kills with your q, but with a little practice you quickly outrun the enemy.

In the first minutes the ranged minions can take up o 6 basic attaks. So one strategy is to hit those 4-5 times and dunk them right away.

This gurantees you a constant growth on the damage and leaves your head free to watch the whole map.

 

I recommend to always plays your General of Hell on other lanes. After choosing Bound Minionat lvl 7, you can heal up any minion on the map. In most cases you want to plant it on the ranged minions in a remote wave (since they do the most dmg) but you should prefer single minions in deep pushed lanes. You will often see a enemy hero cleaning a wave and leaving before all minions are killed (like one is barely alive with ~10%HP). Use the lazysiness as your advantage and heal the minon up and send him some reinforcements ;)

But the true reason why you want to pick Bound Minionis the synergy with catapults. Not only can you heal up catapults making them anoying as hell (pun intended) you boost them up. I call those buffed catapults #winions for obvs reasons. I need to underline that: you have global range and can boost 2 cataptults at lvl 20 doing massive dmg. This is similar to zagaras Infest but on a global range!

 

A little note on the ults:

the Black Pool boosts not onlyy our spells and auto attacks but also your Summon Demon Warrior so if you are fighting in close quarters make sure to place it in a good spot. Use alt+r to quickly spawn it underneath for optimal performance

the Demonic Invasion does impact damage as well. So try to place it over a structure to get the most damage out of it.

From experience a tear 2 structure (the big ones) needs 2 invasions each buffed with a general (if no one clears it of)

On towers of doom you should nearly always pick Perishing Flame on level 20. You will find yourself putting your ulti always on the building. since any surviving grunts will be destroyed after your retreat, why not blow them up for exrta damage?

 

A little trick for your demon warriors: they wil spawn a little of from you. You can utilize that to place them behind walls and environmetal blocks. use this to sabotage wells or gain vision.

 

 

[Morcalivan 86]

Added to post below.

Edited July 13, 2018 by Morcalivan

[Morcalivan 86]

Each globe is so clearly defined that it makes building a path pretty simple to do.

Greed is for waveclear. Pairs well with basic attack and globe talents.

Gluttony is for sustained hero damage. Pairs well with hero stack and globe talents.

Wrath is for burst hero damage. Pairs well with basic attack and pool talents.

https://www.heroesfire.com/hots/guide/azmodan-rework-top-build-16566

I think Gluttony is the clear winner overall. But it also lacks a bit of solo burst.

Wrath is riskier but more rewarding. If you have the skill you can do enormous damage in team or solo.

While Greed is specialized at first to laning using basic attack talent Bombardment to finish off minions.

Greed turns into a heavy push at a speed of your stacks, while Wrath can be scary.

But Gluttony is the most reliable.

Edited July 13, 2018 by Morcalivan
After More Testing

[Morcalivan 86]

After further playing 17 or so levels since rework, Greed with Bombardment is now the clear winner, at least on 3 lane maps. Gluttony with Art of Chaos is slightly behind due to its reliability in hero heavy fighting on two lane maps and ability to manage mana drain, the bane of Azmodan. Wrath is in last place with Bombardment since it suffers in Annihilation stacking the most on all maps.

Wrath has the most potential but is very slow in stacking even with aggressive pursuit of it. There are just fewer opportunities provided to it as the others. This is a problem for Wrath since it needs a large staxk for the risk to be worth it. Otherwise the body blocking of teammates will reduce team damage and survival rates.

Greed is incredibly quick to stack off minion waves and make it easier to target heroes with Bombardment.

Gluttony can get extra Globes off with less mana and cooldown. But it ia also fairly easy to hit three targets for an extra 5 Annihilation.

[Guest BadIdeas]

I disagree with the above, and definitely disagree with the recommended build that was officially posted, as it only took me a few games of experimentation to know that it is crap. 

Gluttony is always the best talent to take. You should be picking azmo on maps where he is good, not maps he is bad, and the new azmo excels at teamfights. Gluttony is the best because you can stack up crazy fast. You don't solo lane, you stick to lanes with 2 or 3 opponents and dunk spam on heroes, not minions. You can almost always max stacks faster with gluttony than with greed or wrath. Wrath in particular is a terrible choice, because it puts you in a situation where you have to be close enough to hit with a basic attack in order to capitalize on it, and with a reduced health pool, and regen, as well as still being a slow fat target, you don't want to be that close to the enemy. Greed is ok, but it puts you more in a lane clear role than a teamfight role, and once you have stacks lane clear is easy regardless of talent choices. Not only that but the range bonus does not add to your dps, the cooldown reduction from Gluttony does. It is easy to get 10% dps increase using gluttony and not uncommon to get as much as 20%.

I agree with the guide that Hellforged Armor is best at level 4. As I already stated, you don't want to be at basic attack range, and getting two demon warriors at twice the cd provides no real benefit.

At level 7 Bombardment is the wrong choice, because again, you don't want to be at basic attack range. Instead get Art of Chaos. This talent means you can stay in fights much longer, especially since you can use it to restore mana. The stack bonus is nice, but not critical as gluttony will have you maxed stacks fast anyways.

At level 10 Tide of Sin is the way to go. Combined with Art of Chaos from level 7 as long as you hit two heroes you actually gain mana from dunking. You should be able to stay in fights post level 10 pretty much permanently with those two talents.

At 13 I personally get Brutish Vanguard, the same as the guide mostly for the slow aura. It can really help with escapes and objective control. The laser boost just doesn't do enough to be worth the risk of getting in that close, and while I see potential for the demon lieutenants, the slow effect is just far more useful in far more situations. 

At level 16, the guide is again wrong. You don't want to be close enough to have to use laser or basic attacks. So Total Annihilation is the way to go. It ups the dunk damage a bit more, and with Gluttony you have faster CD's so you can spam your dunks faster, which means the bonus is that much more.

At 20 the guide is completely wrong. Black Pool is a waste of time. Heroes move out of it, you don't really need the damage on structures, and minions die instantly to a tide boosted dunk at max stacks, which you should have had for some time by the time you hit 20. Trample may have some uses, but honestly, I would only get it if I built basic attack damage, and as stated, that is not what you should do as new azmo. The talent to take here is Pride. You will already have your 400 stacks, and it synergizes with both Gluttony and Art of Chaos. Giving you a larger impact area and making it that much easier to get cd reduction and mana return. Plus another 100 damage doesn't hurt.