Whirlwind Bul-Kathos Barbarian

[Deadset 108]

On 10/1/2016 at 10:10 AM, Guest Meh said:

Thats the thing...skull grasp is absolute trash with whirlwind why? dust devils is the main source of physical damage therefore does not affect the damage output in anyway...only the actual whirlwind animation rendering it useless

That has been fixed relatively recently, by the way. Not that it makes the build insanely more awesome by it, but it helps.

On 10/3/2016 at 8:54 AM, Gorkorn said:

How much cooldown % do i need to get the best out of my full waste build 

Last I researched it, at 44% and over you should be golden on Wrath of the Berserker uptime (which is what the CDR aims to achieve in this build).

[Guest Krakadoom]

On 01/10/2016 at 9:10 AM, Guest Meh said:

Thats the thing...skull grasp is absolute trash with whirlwind why? dust devils is the main source of physical damage therefore does not affect the damage output in anyway...only the actual whirlwind animation rendering it useless

It's been a while since this was true. Skull now affects devils and is a complete must.

[Guest Dwaynas]

what changes need to be done if your playing hardcore?

my build http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/dwaynas-2564/hero/83271318

[Valks 2,375]

On 10/10/2016 at 4:50 AM, Guest Dwaynas said:

what changes need to be done if your playing hardcore?

my build http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/dwaynas-2564/hero/83271318

Immunity amulets probably become a LOT more useful to you. Other than that, honestly, I'd say the main difference is the way you play when weighing up SC vs. HC. HC just requires more caution, rolling for survivability, etc.

[Guest KBD]

I'm still having problems with maintaining Wrath of the Beserker.  I find that when it expires, I still have to wait for another 25% of the time (i.e., it stays up for only 3/4 of the time before cooldown resets).  The d3planner states that I have a CDR of 44.82%, although when looking at the individual numbers, it all adds up to 58.5%.  Why am I not getting the full benefit?

Regardless, the 45% should be sufficient to upkeep WotB nonstop, according to the write-up and the comments above.  But I am not finding that to be so.  Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.  

Here is my build (any other suggestions on setup would also be appreciated!  Thanks):

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Dante00-11168/hero/80537752

 

[Guest KBD]

Strangely, the link above lists CDR as 38.7%.  Is there a cap?  I should be getting:

• 12.5% from gem in helm
• 7% from shoulders
• 9% from left sword
• 10% from right sword
• 8% from Convention of Elements ring
• 10% from paragon

Total of 56.5%

[Valks 2,375]

On 10/20/2016 at 4:08 PM, Guest KBD said:

Strangely, the link above lists CDR as 38.7%.  Is there a cap?  I should be getting:

Just reading your comment and you're missing out on something here. CDR is NOT additive. It is multiplicative. This is why you don't actually have 56.5% CDR, but a much lower value.

[Agandaur 0]

@Deadset can you talk about pain enhancer vs taeguk? I've seen both as options in different guides. Is taeguk your choice simply for the defensive side even if the offensive boost is less? And is PE useless on RGs, even though WW really needs an add RG anyway?

[Valks 2,375]

On 11/23/2016 at 5:54 PM, Agandaur said:

@Deadset can you talk about pain enhancer vs taeguk? I've seen both as options in different guides. Is taeguk your choice simply for the defensive side even if the offensive boost is less? And is PE useless on RGs, even though WW really needs an add RG anyway?

I'm not Deadset, but I can say that it is almost certainly due to the defensive prospects of the gem, as well as how simple it is to maintain the buff. It's also worth noting that the damage difference between PE and Taeguk is far less than the defensive difference. 

It's also not a full defensive gem, like Esoteric.

I would assume PE is mainly just used for the AS, rather than the actual bleed damage. This means that you are even more dependent on the RG pull being good. Whether or not the clear time will be that different using PE or Taeguk to account for the difference in damage isn't something that I have personally tested.

[albabe 33]

Nice Build "Adjustment" for the 2.4.3 Patch.

http://www.diablofans.com/builds/85251-ww-barb-speed-bounty-build-s9-2-4-3

[Valks 2,375]

On 12/23/2016 at 6:01 PM, albabe said:

Nice Build "Adjustment" for the 2.4.3 Patch.

http://www.diablofans.com/builds/85251-ww-barb-speed-bounty-build-s9-2-4-3

I'm confused, are you suggesting that build was better for Season 9 than the current one?

[Guest Guest]

Barb builds are displayed in wrong order according to GR lvl now :x (Whirlwind and Leap/Earthquake)

[Valks 2,375]

2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Barb builds are displayed in wrong order according to GR lvl now :x (Whirlwind and Leap/Earthquake)

Will get that fixed, thanks!

[Guest bobloblaw]

I got a bad area damage skull grasp (6%cc, 50%cd. 630 strenght and 11% area damage)
630 strenght is better in this case, right?

[Guest BotT vs PE]

Hi!

You suggest Bane of the Trapped as one of the legendary gems. With all the AE Dmg we do, wouldnt Pain Enhancer be the better choice? I didnt do the math, but i think with a nice crit rate it would possibly do more dmg than Bane of the Trapped.

best regards

[Talbotini 0]

I am sorry, but I can't understand why you wouldn't bother with Rend while using the Wastes set. Can someone help clarify that?

Rend at base is doing 1100% weapon damage over 5 sec to any enemy within 12 yards (220% dps area effect). Wastes increases this amount PER SECOND by 500% and then lengthens the effect to 15 seconds. I am reading that as 1100% / 5 sec = 220% weapon damage per second for 5 seconds becomes (220x5) 1100% weapon damage per second for 15 seconds (16,500% weapon damage total, not that many enemies will last 15 seconds through that). THEN, while you're whilwinding, that damage is TRIPLED. (3300% WD/PS for 15sec) Then you can increase that with runes, or make it spread more as enemies die. And you only have to hit them with it as new enemies show up, so your not really slowing down your whirlwind DPS.

I only have about half of this gear so far, so I can't really test the effectiveness vs. operating without it. But Rend can be cast while whirlwinding, and I know when I drop it wearing wastes, the damage I am doing with just whirlwind appears to more than double just by how quick enemy health bars start to drop. Is it about Fury spend? Is a different ability really putting out more damage then that?

Edited January 29, 2017 by Talbotini

[VeenarM 0]

@Talbotini to cast rend you have to drop out of whirlwind, which also means you lose your massive toughness bonus, and more likely just going to get one shot in the process of casting it.

[Shaddolf 0]

What is generally the best potion to go with builds like this? armor, all res, life on hit, other?

Really enjoying playing the build!

[Valks 2,375]

On 1/17/2017 at 8:12 PM, Guest bobloblaw said:

I got a bad area damage skull grasp (6%cc, 50%cd. 630 strenght and 11% area damage)
630 strenght is better in this case, right?

Yes, it is.

[Valks 2,375]

On 1/19/2017 at 3:45 PM, Guest BotT vs PE said:

Hi!

You suggest Bane of the Trapped as one of the legendary gems. With all the AE Dmg we do, wouldnt Pain Enhancer be the better choice? I didnt do the math, but i think with a nice crit rate it would possibly do more dmg than Bane of the Trapped.

best regards

Yes and no. When you have a huge amount of adds stacked, it's possible but not guaranteed. On smaller packs and on bosses/rift guardians, no, it won't be.

[Valks 2,375]

On 1/29/2017 at 9:41 PM, Talbotini said:

I am sorry, but I can't understand why you wouldn't bother with Rend while using the Wastes set. Can someone help clarify that?

This was already answered, but I'm just stopping by to confirm - at higher rift levels, you'll die. The entire build is structured around ensuring that you are basically unkillable while using WW. The issue is, when you stop WWing, you lose an insane amount of toughness - to the point of just being one shot by a normal mob. Given that you will be right in the middle of a huge pack of mobs, you're are almost guaranteed to die when using Rend.

[Valks 2,375]

On 2/4/2017 at 11:28 PM, VeenarM said:

@Talbotini to cast rend you have to drop out of whirlwind, which also means you lose your massive toughness bonus, and more likely just going to get one shot in the process of casting it.

Thanks for helping to answer :)

[Valks 2,375]

On 2/11/2017 at 0:27 PM, Shaddolf said:

What is generally the best potion to go with builds like this? armor, all res, life on hit, other?

Really enjoying playing the build!

Personally, I like Kulle-Aid, Armour or All-Res.

[Guest flagg209]

Is it possible that the obsidian ring of the zodiac will not proc if your WW uses less fury than you generate?  My cool down doesn't seem to be being reduced at all while wearing it (on Wrath of the Berserker).  You figure, you are constantly using fury while WW through an entire rift, but my WotB cooldown always seems to consistently  be 8-9 seconds after my last use stops.  I haven't played since season 4, but I feel like when I did and wore an ORotZ that I could watch the cooldown timer shorten, and I felt like my uptime was constant.  I am sticking to the build almost exactly...though I'm not really optimized yet equipment wise.  

 

 

[Valks 2,375]

On 2/13/2017 at 7:00 PM, Guest flagg209 said:

Is it possible that the obsidian ring of the zodiac will not proc if your WW uses less fury than you generate?  

Just confirming, are you actually hitting enemies with your WW?