Whirlwind Bul-Kathos Barbarian

[albabe 33]

Thanx, oh great wise little Frog!

[Tri 138]

Gotta say I love this guide. Rolled WW Barb this season reset and got into the top 100 leaderboards and completed season journey in like 24 hours. I'm pushing farther into grift progression then I ever have before. Really love the build, also love spinning forever like a demonic dreidel or top

[makos 0]

Guide name says Bul-Kathos but guide suggests Istvans blades. Which weapons are more suitable damage wise?

[positiv2 953]

5 hours ago, makos said:

Guide name says Bul-Kathos but guide suggests Istvans blades. Which weapons are more suitable damage wise?

Istvan's Paired Blades should be better set at the moment. We will change the name of the build in the drop down menu shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[albabe 33]

5 hours ago, makos said:

Guide name says Bul-Kathos but guide suggests Istvans blades. Which weapons are more suitable damage wise?

I'm running this build Exactly as the Main Guide Build, but with the Bul-Kathos Mighty Weapons.  I think it's the slightly older Version of the same Build.  I'm fairly/decently Optimized and doing decent Damage but I'm sure dying a lot

 Just got the Istvans Blades this weekend but haven't Suited them Up yet.  (I need to re-roll the Slander to Ancient first), maybe that makes a difference(?)

Edited July 24, 2017 by albabe

[albabe 33]

18 hours ago, ElemWiz said:

Long time fan, first time commenter (lolz). What would you guys say would be the ideal (top 3 preferences) for the passive rolled on the Hellfire Amulet? 

On the main page:

https://www.icy-veins.com/d3/whirlwind-wastes-barbarian-bis-gear-gems-paragon-points

To complete the jewelry, you have a number of options for the amulet slot. A crafted  Hellfire Amulet with good rolls and a solid fifth passive  Nerves of Steel,  Animosity,  Brawler)

[albabe 33]

On 5/22/2017 at 8:59 PM, Guest Squishy? said:

I found the build a bit squishy. Are you there any tips for increasing survivability while getting better gear? I have all of the necessary pieces, but until I get my gear ancient/augmented/etc, what can I do to increase my chances of survival? (ie-skill changes, different gear pieces, so on)

I've been playing with my wife on our PS4 most of the time these days, and I realize that these Builds do play quite differently on the PS4 as opposed to the Computer, but...  

I've put a lot more Paragon Points in Vitality with this newer version of the build.  I still die a lot.  I haven't any Paragon Points in Maximum Fury.  It doesn't seem to make any difference and I don't run-out of Fury much at all.

At the moment I'm still using the slightly older version of the Build with the Bul-Kathos Mighty Weapons.  I assume that the + Armor from the Istvans blades might help the Build not Die as much.  I'll let you know when I get the Blades up and running.

Edited July 24, 2017 by albabe

[Deadset 108]

On 7/24/2017 at 8:47 PM, albabe said:

At the moment I'm still using the slightly older version of the Build with the Bul-Kathos Mighty Weapons.  I assume that the + Armor from the Istvans blades might help the Build not Die as much.  I'll let you know when I get the Blades up and running.

That's definitely the case, Istvan's is just so much tankier that I couldn't go back to Bul-Kathos past GR90. I love Bul-Kathos' mobility, but I leave it to speedruns. Some people stick to BKs well past 90 though, there is a measure of personal preference there.

[Guest Dunkaholic]

About how long does it take to gear up this kinda set? I have a monk that can comfortably do 60 GR's on his own, (once I get a unity for my follower I can probably push higher than that). And what's the best way to do it? Farm Blood Shards on geared character and spend on Barb? 

[Styx1781 1]

On 26/06/2017 at 8:08 PM, Guest reply said:

I believe in an optimised setup, Obsidian Ring should be cubed and skull grasp should be equipped, because skull grasp can roll with crit, crit, socket, cdr/area dmg

I came to the same conclusion and this has been bothering me as well with this build. The suggested stat priority of:

1. Socket
2. Critical Hit Chance
3. Critical Hit Damage
4. Cooldown Reduction (one one ring)
5. Area Damage (on the other ring)

is not possible with the Obsidian Ring of th Zodiac since that ring always rolls Attack Speed, Critical Hit Chance, Cooldown Reduction and Resource Cost Reduction. The presence of both Attack Speed and Resource Cost Reduction prevents one from ever achieving the suggested rolls. It would be nice if either the ring were replaced with Skull Grasp (if the stated stat priorities are preferred) or if the stat priorities were corrected (if the Obsidian Ring were preferred over Skull Grasp).

[Endslikecrazy 0]

I'm wondering why this build does not actually use the Rend ability?

[Taus 2]

I finally got some decent rolls on rings to switch from the F&R I was running.  Granted, I still have the weapons from the older build, but I feel like I was having better results with F&R.  Is it just a matter of getting used to the playstyle of watching the CDs more closely?  Yes, things blow up when the CoE cycles lightning, but with F&R I had a damage boost all the time.  Is there maybe a plateau I'll hit with F&R that I haven't seen yet?  I'm farming 60, 65-ish push at the moment.

[Sabrast 7]

im using ancient Bul Kathos set and got normal istavn set. which one should i use??

[Guest Shizzik]

On 8/5/2017 at 3:21 PM, Endslikecrazy said:

I'm wondering why this build does not actually use the Rend ability?

Because you stop WW when you rend losing 50% DR and will get one shot at higher GR. Seems like an oversight on Blizzard's part if you ask me.

[Guest Oneknight1984]

I'm kind new still but looking at the Waste set bonus, you'd think Rend would still be a big part of the build. How come it isn't? Is it because it doesn't do that much damage or something? Just out of curiosity is all. Thanks :)

[PaasHaaS 81]

p500 now and still looking to get the 2nd weapon to complete the set ...

[Guest Oneknight1984]

On 8/17/2017 at 6:22 AM, Guest Oneknight1984 said:

I'm kind new still but looking at the Waste set bonus, you'd think Rend would still be a big part of the build. How come it isn't? Is it because it doesn't do that much damage or something? Just out of curiosity is all. Thanks :)

Nvm didn't see an earlier comment asking the same thing lol

[Datexx 1]

On 17.8.2017 at 8:31 AM, Guest Shizzik said:

Because you stop WW when you rend losing 50% DR and will get one shot at higher GR. Seems like an oversight on Blizzard's part if you ask me.

Don't u interupt WW when u use ground stomp too? Oo

[Arkpit 101]

On 2017-08-17 at 3:22 PM, Guest Oneknight1984 said:

I'm kind new still but looking at the Waste set bonus, you'd think Rend would still be a big part of the build. How come it isn't? Is it because it doesn't do that much damage or something? Just out of curiosity is all. Thanks :)

 

8 minutes ago, Datexx said:

Don't u interupt WW when u use ground stomp too? Oo

All true but the difference for stomp is that you stun things so it's a safety wheras the rend would just get you killed.

HOWEVER, this is being fixed in patch 2.6.1 where the changes to the set is saying the damage reduction will last 3seconds after you end Whirlwind so rend could be making a nice comback for your overall dps!

[alpas 0]

I don't quite get it. This build is fueled by Bul-Kathos +10 fury/sec set bonus. Then you switched to Istvans blades for additional armor, but everything else left intact, even +dmg on maximum fury passive. So what provides all the fury now? Even if you start with full fury somehow, you will run out of it in 10-12 seconds with this build and gearset, especially on boss encounter. What am i missing here?

[Guest Oneknight1984]

On 8/25/2017 at 3:56 AM, Arkpit said:

 

All true but the difference for stomp is that you stun things so it's a safety wheras the rend would just get you killed.

HOWEVER, this is being fixed in patch 2.6.1 where the changes to the set is saying the damage reduction will last 3seconds after you end Whirlwind so rend could be making a nice comback for your overall dps!

Sweet, is that also when they are upping WW damage from 800% to I think 1500% or.something like that too? If so, then I can foresee myself doing a great many things with the updated Rend lol. I am on XB1 and don't have internet yet but when I still used Rend (before I looked here and found that using Rend is a no go atm with this build) in was killing lots of stuff pretty quickly. So, looking forward to using Rend again lol

[Arkpit 101]

7 hours ago, Guest Oneknight1984 said:

Sweet, is that also when they are upping WW damage from 800% to I think 1500% or.something like that too? If so, then I can foresee myself doing a great many things with the updated Rend lol. I am on XB1 and don't have internet yet but when I still used Rend (before I looked here and found that using Rend is a no go atm with this build) in was killing lots of stuff pretty quickly. So, looking forward to using Rend again lol

Indeed, 2.6.1 is bringing basically all the sets increased damage and giving the lacking mechanics (like above) a little bit more viability so more builds can be used in top play!

[Sabrast 7]

On 28.08.2017 at 11:22 PM, alpas said:

I don't quite get it. This build is fueled by Bul-Kathos +10 fury/sec set bonus. Then you switched to Istvans blades for additional armor, but everything else left intact, even +dmg on maximum fury passive. So what provides all the fury now? Even if you start with full fury somehow, you will run out of it in 10-12 seconds with this build and gearset, especially on boss encounter. What am i missing here?

bul kathos set gives attack speed and move speed

istvan set gives attack speed, damage and armor

with istvan set we use wind shear rune which gives 1 fury per hit for each enemy. so we are almost always at top fury as long as we hit some enemy.

[Sabrast 7]

1 idea about istvan setup;

we use Battle Rage-Sword to Ploughshares for life steal and give up area damage granted by Bloodshed. so what if we enchant one weapon with Life Per Hit and switch to Bloodshed rune. doesnt it provide more recovery and damage ??

edit: tried on PTR and it seemed better. i improved my best time.

Edited September 21, 2017 by Sabrast

[Guest Guest]

Please note that the gear guide is erroneous: ORotZ will always roll AS, CHC, CDR and RCR (which will be rolled to slot if one chooses to wear it). Thus, it's impossible to get CHD in ORotZ - skull grasp is needed for the trifecta of CHC, CHD and CDR or AD (in addition to slot). Otherwise, it's ORotZ CHC, CDR, AS (not reaching a new bp without PE stacks so it's a useless stat) and CoE with CHC, CHD and AD.