Unhallowed Essence Multishot Demon Hunter

[Guest Stingray]

10 hours ago, Blainie said:

It's not top tier. It is an incredibly difficult set to play at the highest GR level (110+) and is far less forgiving than M6. It also desperately needs pylons for 105+ RGs.

I don't think I'll ever get to top GRs, regardless of what build I use, how is this one doing around GR 80 or so?

Multishot has been my favorite for a very long time now and I'm glad to see it's an actually decent build option in s12 but if it gets hard to use above GR60+ I'll just go with the M6.

[Guest Attycuss]

On 11/9/2017 at 11:35 PM, Guest Stingray said:

I don't think I'll ever get to top GRs, regardless of what build I use, how is this one doing around GR 80 or so?

Multishot has been my favorite for a very long time now and I'm glad to see it's an actually decent build option in s12 but if it gets hard to use above GR60+ I'll just go with the M6.

Wearing only half ancients and nothing augmented, even bow not ancient, gems only 50-55, cleared a gr90 with this build after 2.6.1 launched, its very viable for gr60+

[Guest Guest]

In s12 with my first ever dh, para 600, decent ancient yang and all other normal and mostly poorly rolled, 1 low level augment for season journey, gems 70-75, I run 7-8 min 86s for gems/exp/items. One mistake and I'm dead but mobs die quickly otherwise. Still no stricken since RG goes down fairly quickly even at this paragon/gear level. 

[Guest Guest]

Top clears with UE multishot seem to prefer endless walk over focus/restraint. This allows to cube elusive ring for 60% dr and change cubed armor to Cindercoat. 

Cons: 1) Damage multiplier is 12.5% lower (X2 vs X2.25). 2) Loses fifth passive from hellfire (probably awareness)

Pros: 1) EW damage bonus is much more stable and safe than BoW in higher grifts were you walk slowly and remain stationary since mobs take longer to die, also you don't need to interrupt multishot in order to hit with focus (which has a shorter, unhealthy range). 2) Toughness is much better (8% versus 10% of damage gets through with elusive/wraps/UE versus Visage/wraps/UE, a 20% improvement) + EW toughness bonus when moving. 3) Your overall dps is much better due to cindercoat which allows you to fire for a lot longer. And I mean A LOT. 4) mobility is improved since vault rune is trail of cinders, which benefits from cindercoat. This also protects your UE bonus which is based on current discipline and is better than tumble which in higher grifts becomes less useful (often you vault just once, negating the bonus). 5) Awareness adds very little to relatively skilled players since it is a distance-based build. Similar to other cheat deaths, it's a form of crutches. Great in the beginning but you do obtain nasty habits if you rely too much on it. 

[Valks 2,375]

8 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Pros: 1) EW damage bonus is much more stable and safe than BoW in higher grifts were you walk slowly and remain stationary since mobs take longer to die, also you don't need to interrupt multishot in order to hit with focus (which has a shorter, unhealthy range).

Evasive Fire has a much larger range than the animation does. It hits at a similar range to MS. You have to cast it anyway for your bracers proc, so casting it to proc F+R should be no issue.

8 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

2) Toughness is much better (8% versus 10% of damage gets through with elusive/wraps/UE versus Visage/wraps/UE, a 20% improvement) + EW toughness bonus when moving.

Realistically, if you are playing MS to maximise Zei's power, you won't need the toughness. It's why Awareness isn't strictly run in the build. You play at absolutely max range and even further than that. Mobs can't touch you.

8 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

3) Your overall dps is much better due to cindercoat which allows you to fire for a lot longer. And I mean A LOT.

If you're replacing, you should be using Magefist over Cindercoat. It's far more useful in a build where you are forced to use a generator anyway to proc (even if you replace F+R) your bracers.

8 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

4) mobility is improved since vault rune is trail of cinders, which benefits from cindercoat. This also protects your UE bonus which is based on current discipline and is better than tumble which in higher grifts becomes less useful (often you vault just once, negating the bonus).

This is true, but then I don't see why it's a bonus. If you only vault once, then the benefit of having something for movement makes no sense.

8 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

5) Awareness adds very little to relatively skilled players since it is a distance-based build. Similar to other cheat deaths, it's a form of crutches. Great in the beginning but you do obtain nasty habits if you rely too much on it. 

This is a counter point to your toughness argument as well, though. You don't need toughness because nothing ever pushes you, unless you spawn into a horribly close rift (Hell Rift 1 map, for example).

[Guest Guest]

1) Wraps requires you to fire evasive fire. BoW to actually hit something, which means disrupting multishot. The difference is huge. 

2) magefists in cube is suboptimal. Due to 2 other fire dmg % bonuses (amulet, bracers), their effect is diluted to 14% increased damage. On the other hand, 30% rcr is supremely important as you go up in difficulty, it translates to 30% more dps. 

3) with the BoW setup you can get hit twice per minute bwfore you die. With the extra toughness it's twice per 15-20 sec. Some hits, such as lacunis or thunderstorm are unavoidable. 

[Guest Guest]

Another strong point of the build are the multiple speedfarming options.

In ns with high paragon and optimized gear I find FnR a bit overkill. I use soj, avarice, goldwrap, prides fall and cube visage and rorg. Presuming two other 20% cold damage rolls and BotP, soj with max diacipline adds 26% damage to all and 58% vs elites. With good gear, you instakill everything in 4 man T13. 

I tried to replicate an early season situation by limiting paragon to 800 and using normal items and an ancient yang and dml. There, FnR is mandatory for 4 man T13 and the rest of the site's build is good (especially the cold idea). 

For bounties, I go for max speed. Krelms belt/warzechians and hot pursuit/tactical advantage are my picks. What do you think could improve the bounty build?

[Valks 2,375]

On 11/13/2017 at 7:55 AM, Guest Guest said:

1) Wraps requires you to fire evasive fire. BoW to actually hit something, which means disrupting multishot. The difference is huge. 

But the large percentage of your damage is done through CoE rotations, in which you can pre-EF and gain the buff for the entire Fire rota. Disrupting Multishot during the cold rotation just before it really doesn't matter that much. Also going back to your first post about staying still, I really don't really like I stay still at all in high GRs. I am constantly stutter-stepping to avoid damage, especially with the changes to include so many elites that fire the flame balls. On a rift with any kind of ranged mob, lacuni mob, etc., your Endless Walk bonus is going to be even worse in damage compared to BoW.

On 11/13/2017 at 7:55 AM, Guest Guest said:

2) magefists in cube is suboptimal. Due to 2 other fire dmg % bonuses (amulet, bracers), their effect is diluted to 14% increased damage. On the other hand, 30% rcr is supremely important as you go up in difficulty, it translates to 30% more dps. 

This isn't true, though. A 30% RCR roll doesn't mean 30% more DPS, because you have made no change whatsoever to your output speed. You are still casting exactly the same number of multishots per second, you can simply cast them for longer before you need to then Evasive Fire to rebuild. Assuming you run Cindercoat and run AS on bow, gloves and quiver, you will run out of Hatred at the start of your cold cycle, assuming you are paying attention to CoE and dump Hatred on fire (you should be). You will spend your cold cycle spamming Evasive Fire to rebuild Hatred for another dump, but will reach max Hatred before cold is finished. So, you now have a choice. You had 2 seconds of cold cycle to MS in, in which case you will screw up your cycle for Fire in the future, or you continue using EF until Fire starts. If you continue using EF, you have essentially spent the exact same amount of time using EF as someone without Cindercoat. Also keep in mind that any point that you move during the rift and aren't casting, the dps increase of Cindercoat goes even lower. The RCR damage increase only stays high if you are constantly casting over an infinite period of time. If you aren't, and you have any downtime that could have been used using EF or you are overcapping Hatred and are forced to wait, Cindercoat's bonus becomes more and more useless.

On 11/13/2017 at 7:55 AM, Guest Guest said:

3) with the BoW setup you can get hit twice per minute bwfore you die. With the extra toughness it's twice per 15-20 sec. Some hits, such as lacunis or thunderstorm are unavoidable. 

But if you're taking this much damage, then you're either standing in the wrong place, you aren't using Vault properly or your zNecro/zMonk/WD aren't doing their job properly. Lacuni, Thunderstorm etc. just require you to move and watch as they move towards you. In 100 speeds as UE, I get hit maybe 2-3 times per rift. There's no need for extra toughness at all unless your group simply isn't doing their job properly. Your sole purpose is to output damage and to sacrifice damage for toughness is just wrong. It's why Rathma Necros are so unbelievably squishy. With proper supports, they can clear 100s in below 2.5 minutes, but only because they have full damage, everywhere. In order to ever compete, we  have to do the same or we will never find proper 4-man slots. DH is not in a good group position at all and to sacrifice damage just further pushes us down the priority list.

[Guest Czael]

I've been playing this build a lot lately - but I'm curious as to why you use focus / restraint combo? That gives you 100% damage but if you for example put on a stone of jordan in one of the ring slots you get +10 discipline (+1000% multishot damage) AND extra damage to elites. You also open up a ring slot for something else, RORG for example if you want to swap out one of the the set pieces or unity if you want to solo grift. It's hard to say for sure if this actually nets you a higher damage but after trying it out it feels like it does.

[Valks 2,375]

1 hour ago, Guest Czael said:

I've been playing this build a lot lately - but I'm curious as to why you use focus / restraint combo? That gives you 100% damage but if you for example put on a stone of jordan in one of the ring slots you get +10 discipline (+1000% multishot damage) AND extra damage to elites. You also open up a ring slot for something else, RORG for example if you want to swap out one of the the set pieces or unity if you want to solo grift. It's hard to say for sure if this actually nets you a higher damage but after trying it out it feels like it does.

Discipline does not work like that. +10 discipline with disc on all other slots will end up being a 7-10% damage bonus, if that. It's nothing compared to F+R. The more disc you have, the less damage it adds.

[Guest kazamatzuri]

I'm also playing this build. However, I'm not quite sure why this is categorized as mid tier? Currently on the S12 leaderboards the only build that's on top of this is shadow impale. So that would make this top tier. Or I'm completely misunderstanding how the tier-determination works;) Entirely possible. 

I have one ancient so far and am comfortably running gr86. And I find it a lot less hard to play than, say an archon wizard ... 

Cheers!

[Valks 2,375]

18 hours ago, Guest kazamatzuri said:

I'm also playing this build. However, I'm not quite sure why this is categorized as mid tier? Currently on the S12 leaderboards the only build that's on top of this is shadow impale. So that would make this top tier. Or I'm completely misunderstanding how the tier-determination works;) Entirely possible. 

I have one ancient so far and am comfortably running gr86. And I find it a lot less hard to play than, say an archon wizard ... 

Cheers!

We're looking at redoing the tiers that we currently have listed, but it's unlikely that this will become a top tier build. It will most likely "High Tier", with M4/N6 sentry becoming top tier. It's currently the highest pushing build in EU and will continue to be so (beating UE by 2 levels at 109), as well as being the top build in US at 107 (beating UE by 1 level).

[Nixebit 2]

Can someone reply to me the gems to socket in the. (Helmet, Chest, Pants, Amulet, Ring 1 and 2). 

 

Thank you.

[positiv2 953]

18 hours ago, Nixebit said:

Can someone reply to me the gems to socket in the. (Helmet, Chest, Pants, Amulet, Ring 1 and 2). 

 

Thank you.

Based on the table in the Gear section of the guide, you should socket Flawless Royal Diamond into helmet, Flawless Royal Emerald into chest and pants, and Bane of the Trapped + Zei's Stone of Vengeance + Bane of the Stricken (or Bane of the Powerful if you are low GR) into jewellery. Is this what you were asking about?

[Nixebit 2]

Yeah this really helped me, thank you.

[Guest NekoLeila]

I may be doing something wrong, but it seems like Arsenal + Ballistics is way better than Wind Chill for T13. 

[huntress 9]

On 3/19/2018 at 4:57 AM, Guest NekoLeila said:

I may be doing something wrong, but it seems like Arsenal + Ballistics is way better than Wind Chill for T13. 

always has been better imho...

I'm lazy, I only use UE MS these days for t13 keys and empowered upgrading of lgems to 70/75 (SC) before switching to my now preferred build, impale s6.  

impale s6 (pre 2..0 patch) did a LOT more dmg, post patch, it's pretty even, it comes down to play style preference.  I now prefer impale because of the far better hatred management, and it's also a LOT tougher.  

For SC, F/R/hellfire combo are perfectly fine (using arsenal/ballistics).  

For HC though, I'd really drop CoE and put elusive in the cube, vengeance/dark heart rune, SOJ, EW set and cindercoat in the cube.  The slightly less dmg output of EW set vs F/R and loss of 5th free passive from the hellfire ammy isn't really an issue on T13.  5th passive is usually either steady aim (20% dmg buff) or awareness as a rule.  For SC, I'd go with the former, for HC, I'd go with the latter if choosing the F/R/hellfire route for HC.  I really don't recommend it though (for HC).  EW set is a far better option.  

imho, the 2.6.0 patch needed to buff wraps of clarity to like 75% DR and the UE set bonus to 80%.  Just like Blizzard nerfed the PTR impale damage on karleis point from 500% to 375%, it shows that Blizzard has a serious issue with understanding game balance in D3 imho.  

[Guest Dr DH]

Hi, I was wondering why almost everybody runs MS with Arsenal. 

Is it that strong vs bosses with the Ballistics Passive? 

Well I play HC, no build w/o awareness. Full Broadside should put out the same dmg as Arsenal w/o Ballistics. 

Thank you for answering my questions regarding Focus/Restraint vs Compass Rose/Travellers Pledge months ago ?

[Valks 2,375]

6 hours ago, Guest Dr DH said:

Hi, I was wondering why almost everybody runs MS with Arsenal. 

Is it that strong vs bosses with the Ballistics Passive? 

In short, yes, it is.

6 hours ago, Guest Dr DH said:

Well I play HC, no build w/o awareness. Full Broadside should put out the same dmg as Arsenal w/o Ballistics. 

Thank you for answering my questions regarding Focus/Restraint vs Compass Rose/Travellers Pledge months ago ?

Arsenal: Multi @ 360% damage + 3 hits of 300% damage.

Full Broadside: Multi @ 500% damage.

Arsenal, even without Ballistics, is doing a ton more damage.

[Snyp3r 0]

Should I reroll the flat damage, or the discipline?
I'm guessing the damage, because more discipline gets less effective but want to make sure.
 

Edited July 16, 2018 by Snyp3r

[Guest maslyna88]

Hey, guys. Question. Is there any advantage to UE MS vs Bell Monk? Seems to me like the monk is superior to the DH in every single way, which seems kinda unfair. 

[Solstice 1]

Question about CDR% -- is there a glitch in how the game calculates it? Or is it calculated differently from other things? Because I have 38.5% total from gear (10% Paragon, 12.5%, and 2x 8%) but the game is only registering it as 33.35%, even though it should be 0.385 (38.5%). D3planner does the same thing. Even if I only use one gear piece with 8%, instead of 18% with my 10% from Paragon it ends up being 17.2%.

I guess I'll have to use a third piece with CDR so I can get 100%+ with Dawn, but does anyone know why it's calculated this way?

 

Edited August 16, 2018 by Solstice

[positiv2 953]

28 minutes ago, Solstice said:

Question about CDR% -- is there a glitch in how the game calculates it? Or is it calculated differently from other things? Because I have 38.5% total from gear (10% Paragon, 12.5%, and 2x 8%) but the game is only registering it as 33.35%, even though it should be 0.385 (38.5%). D3planner does the same thing. Even if I only use one gear piece with 8%, instead of 18% with my 10% from Paragon it ends up being 17.2%.

I guess I'll have to use a third piece with CDR so I can get 100%+ with Dawn, but does anyone know why it's calculated this way?

By calculation, the CDR is multiplicative instead of additive. You get (1-0.1)*(1-0.125)*(1-0.08)*(1-0.08), which is 0.66654, which corresponds to CDR of 33.346% (which can be rounded up to 33.35%, which is the number you are getting).

[JJ77 20]

I’m using a good Yangs with nice rolled stats but it’s Legacy. I’ve upgraded the quiver but I’m wondering how much I’m gimping my DH without a decent bow upgrade. The best I’ve gotten so far is as per the screenshot. I’d be grateful if someone could tell me. 

 

[Guest OneKnight1984]

My cdr is currently at 37.21% and vengeance still falls off before it's cd has expired but it's only for a sec and a half or so. Get more CDR or is 37.21% good enough?