Uliana Seven-Sided Strike Monk

[Guest Theolonius]

1 hour ago, Guest Theolonius said:

Hey all, I'm rather new to Diablo (only started playing a few days ago). Please correct me if I'm missing something, as I'm still quite a low-leveled Monk. Deadset's guide requires Exploding Palm binded to right-click, and Dashing Strike binded to Key 2 in both of his builds, Solo or Speedrun. The issue for me is that Exploding Palm can only be binded to Key 2 for me--do I have to rebind my keys? Will I have an option later on as I reach level cap to rebind Key slot skills to left/right mouse clicks?

Please clarify for me asap, thanks.

Answering my own question--found that you can fully customize your skill binds with an option called Elective mode in the game settings. 

[Guest Int]

I'm curious as to how viable is mystic rhythm with 2.4.2's changes? It seems like snapshotting no longer works??

Thanks for the guide!

 

 

[Deadset 108]

On 8/28/2016 at 2:12 AM, Guest Int said:

I'm curious as to how viable is mystic rhythm with 2.4.2's changes? It seems like snapshotting no longer works??

Thanks for the guide!

Hey, to my understanding Mythic Rhythm is still very much a required passive for the build, what was taken out was the interaction between the Uliana 2 piece bonus with the passive, which simply results in more consistent EP snapshotting.

[gfauxpas 0]

On 8/29/2016 at 0:24 PM, Deadset said:

Hey, to my understanding Mythic Rhythm is still very much a required passive for the build, what was taken out was the interaction between the Uliana 2 piece bonus with the passive, which simply results in more consistent EP snapshotting.

This change was mentioned in PTR notes but isn't included in the live patch notes. Can you confirm that this is indeed the case? Perhaps add that to the body of the build guide.

[Guest Uliana's The Same]

Unfortunately, there's been absolutely NO changes in the upcoming Season 8, therefore, this build will likely stay the same. just like every other build will.

 Sad, or Good, but true.  :)

[Damien 1,514]

18 hours ago, Guest Uliana's The Same said:

Unfortunately, there's been absolutely NO changes in the upcoming Season 8, therefore, this build will likely stay the same. just like every other build will.

 Sad, or Good, but true.  :)

Yeah, we'll just make a few minor adjustments and call it "Season 8" :p

[gfauxpas 0]

21 hours ago, gfauxpas said:

This change was mentioned in PTR notes but isn't included in the live patch notes. Can you confirm that this is indeed the case? Perhaps add that to the body of the build guide.

I found the change, it is indeed implemented:

Mythic Rhythm

The damage bonus from Mythic Rhythm is now consumed on manually applied Spirit spenders and not automatically from items or set bonuses.

[Guest U6andMR Guest]

Is there indeed a small patch, Season 8,  for U2 and/or MR ?

    http://us.battle.net/forums/en/d3/topic/20749795686

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question:

"In order to progress in high GR is using a snapshot of the passive Mythic Rhythm still required?"

 

answer 1:

"Not as much as it used to be. I don't know which patch, but I believe the 2-piece bonus now applies EP that can take advantage of area damage. Now you still need to snapshot to take full advantage of mythic rhythm if you want to push the highest GRs. But for reference I was able to complete a GR78 without snapshotting. That said, it was non-season and I had almost all ancients and a couple of augments. So depending on gear you might need snapshotting to finish GR75 for the season journey. But it is less required than it once was."

answer 2:

"I cleared 89 on ps4 without mytic rythem. That's proudly about 91 on pc with its better density and no ng to worry about.Just put cdr and area damage every where possible. Didn't even look at the rotation of coe. Gear was all ancient exept compas rose ascend travellers pledge. They had near perfect rolls though. Paragon was about 1400. Now area damage works its a very powerful set. Rg took nearly 4 mins though"

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according to above that I've read, it appears that MR may/may not? be needed as much now. Either I'm confused about this now, or I misunderstood the mechanics/interaction of U2/MR ?,  or both  :)

[Deadset 108]

Mythic Rhythm is one hell of a tangle of interactions, but I still stand by my word of its inclusion.

This opinion is reinforced by an excellent source of Monk testing that I often refer to: http://us.battle.net/forums/en/d3/topic/16527322731

To my knowledge no changes, big or small, have been made for Season 8.

[Guest Guest U6andMR]

On 2016-10-27 at 2:20 PM, Deadset said:

Mythic Rhythm is one hell of a tangle of interactions, but I still stand by my word of its inclusion.

This opinion is reinforced by an excellent source of Monk testing that I often refer to: http://us.battle.net/forums/en/d3/topic/16527322731

To my knowledge no changes, big or small, have been made for Season 8.

Thx,

"Guest U6andMR" here, 

I also posted the above question with alternate answer 1, and 2 above.  This is my first time using Uliana's, and  MR-snapshotting,  or, being able to tactfully use MR seems to be quite an "Art" form :) 

I'll check out the Davlok testing stats link again, since those are not dependent on super-high paragon points, great gear, ... for a better understanding of MR interaction, and also, since atleast those "testings" are accurately gauge-able, instead of just trying to follow others' bragging-rights, -as true? as they may be.  -no insults intended.

Thanks again, for clearing this up.

 

[Valks 2,375]

8 hours ago, Guest Guest U6andMR said:

Thanks again, for clearing this up.

Glad to see that Deadset could help out with this :) If you have any other questions, you can always ask and we'll do our best!

[gfauxpas 0]

On 10/27/2016 at 2:20 PM, Deadset said:

Mythic Rhythm is one hell of a tangle of interactions, but I still stand by my word of its inclusion

Does it still undo MR buffs when you drink a potion?

[romilly 0]

Hi Deadset,

 

Advice please? I've gone Monk this season, just gotten Uliana's full set from Haedrig, have the belt and bracers, no gems, no cubed stuff. I am dying so fast - even on t5. Ideas please? What should I focus on obtaining? 

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Romilly-1131/hero/80977662

Rom

[Valks 2,375]

10 hours ago, romilly said:

Advice please? I've gone Monk this season, just gotten Uliana's full set from Haedrig, have the belt and bracers, no gems, no cubed stuff. I am dying so fast - even on t5. Ideas please? What should I focus on obtaining? 

The cube weapon is a pretty big deal, since it allows you to maintain SSS a lot more often, which in turn means less time taking damage. If you're really struggling to stay alive, trying to get Lefebvre's Soliloquy soon would also help.

[Valks 2,375]

20 hours ago, gfauxpas said:

Does it still undo MR buffs when you drink a potion?

Not sure if this has been fixed. @Deadset?

[Deadset 108]

22 hours ago, gfauxpas said:

Does it still undo MR buffs when you drink a potion?

Yes, it does :( Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!

12 hours ago, romilly said:

What should I focus on obtaining? 

Hey, some pointers:

- You have some of the base necessary gear, but it has many incorrect rolls. Look carefully through the stat recommendations in the guide and try to reroll you gear with the Mystic to get as close as you can. Some of it you can literally fix by rerolling a single stat: Life regen to Cooldown Reduction on the Shoulders, Life per Hit to Crit Chance on Helm, Dashing Strike % to Elite Damage Reduction on the Chest, Way of the Hundred Fists % to Armor on the Pants, Tempest Rush % to Exploding Palm % on the Boots, Life per Hit to Crit Damage on the Gloves, Way of the Hundred Fists % to Life % on the Belt, Area Damage to Crit Damage on Avarice Band, All Resist to Crit Damage on Convention of Elements, Armor to Socket on the Amulet.

- Replace the Inna weapon as soon as you can for the two one-handed weapons recommended in the guide,  The Fist of Az'Turrasq and  Lion's Claw .

- Prioritize  The Flow of Eternity  and Lefebvre's Soliloquy for the Cube as soon as possible.

[Ulanbator 0]

Hello all,

As a casual player, the MR discussion above is extremely confusing to me for this build.

I've applied the skills, runes and passives exactly recommended by Deadset and is using the following rotation:

1. Find a dense pack
2. Apply Cyclone Strike to make it even denser
3. Hit at least three times with Way of the Hundred Fists, Uliana's 2 item bonus applies Exploding Palm
4. (if I'm not dead just yet because steps 2 and 3 takes at least a few seconds without dealing any significant damange) Detonate with Seven Sided Strike
5. Profit - pretty much everything affected by Exploding Palm is dead at this point

Now, I have a few important questions:

• By NOT applying Exploding Palm manually between steps 3 and 4, am I forfeiting Mythic Rhythm's bonus altogether (due to 2.4.2 patch making Mythic Rhythm bonus to be consumed only over manually applied spirit spenders) or am using its bonus over Seven Sided Strike, losing a lot of potential damage in the process?
• If I indeed have to apply EP manually to take full advantage of MR (which seems extremely tedious), can I ditch MR and use another passive? Determination seems logical, for example, since an Uliana monk should always be involved in dense packs.
• Does snapshotting still work as of Season 8 / 2.4.2 or not?
• If snapshotting still works as of 2.4.2, is there no other way of applying it other than having monsters with EP applied chase you around and bringing them close to other packs without EP?
• I keep dying mostly by step 4 because step 3 takes a little bit too much time. Any suggestions?
• Should I already ditch Uliana for Raiment generator build, which has better DPS and FAR easier mechanics from what I understand? :)

Thank you very much for your answers in advance!

Edited November 4, 2016 by Ulanbator

[Deadset 108]

Hey!

The Mythic Rhythm snapshotting explanations are there for the sake of completeness, as the MR snap is a slightly questionable mechanic that's able to increase your damage by a significant margin,

BUT!

that should be seriously considered once you start pushing against the limitations of your gear in high end Greater Rifts. In fact, a well geared Uliana Monk should start considering that mechanic past GR 80 (and some players report not taking it into account even higher).

Your rotation is correct. Focus on improving your gear and rolls, and only take the MR section into account everything else is in place. You will still benefit from MR even without the manual application shenanigans, you will just not take it beyond its intended limits; MR also provides with a 40% multiplicative damage increase vs. Determination's 20% additive, tipping the scales heavily in MR's favor. The passive should just be remade to be more player friendly, that's all.

The reason why I say you'd better focus on gear and rolls is because steps 1-4 should not take much time at all; it makes me think you either delay Seven Sided Strike too much, when the skill should have (with proper CDR) very minimal downtime, or it's gear/rolls issue. You should be decently protected by Cyclone + Lefebvre's, I often even skip it in speedruns, as described in the guide. If you link me your character, I can give you some more specific pointers.

[Ulanbator 0]

1 hour ago, Deadset said:

You should be decently protected by Cyclone + Lefebvre's, I often even skip it in speedruns, as described in the guide. If you link me your character, I can give you some more specific pointers.

I see. Lefebvre's missing currently, which is probably why I die that fast in T7. The two fist weapons are also missing. I still have quite a bit of way to go :(

Here's the link: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ulanbator-2680/hero/84146308

As always, thank you very much for the great reply! :)

[romilly 0]

I just found that Crippling Wave with the energy rune is helping more than hundred fists with my gear -- my biggest problem is surviving when I'm out of energy, because the Def CDs are expensive! I got the weapon and armor cubed, but I'm still like an ice cube in hell most of the time, even at t6 - still working on reforging, but no unity pair or Travellers pledge yet (I suspect those will make things much better).

 

 

[Guest RCR?]

Hi Deadset and all!

I'm using this build in S8 right now and I like it very much. So first I want to thank you for all the effort you put in your guides!

I'm pushing GRs in the 50s and solo pretty fast T10 right now. The only problem I have is the spirit management. I cant SSS on cooldown because it drains my spirit way too fast. I'm not using Cyclone anymore cause it would drain my spirit even faster. As surviving isn't a problem I cubed a Madstone and so I "wouldn't need" a spirit generator at all, but after a few SSSs I always find myself standing at a single mob and hitting it for quite a while just to replenish the spirit. That feels kind of odd because I massaker whole screens of mobs just to chop like 10 seconds on a single mob after that. The guide only suggests CDR but no RCR at all, am I missing something here cause I cant use the CD reduced SSS enough.

My second question is: should I switch to another build soon?
I have pretty much everything needed for Shenlong-Raiment (with 1 Shenlong Fist being ancient), LTK-Sunwuko and/or WoL-Sunwuko. I have read that LTK and/or WoL would be better/faster for farming and Shenlong would be better for endgame GR pushing. Is that right?

Thx again
dRHigHSt

[romilly 0]

hey, I 'm not sure this is much of an answer, but I found using Crippling Wave w the rune that boosts spirit works wonders, but more so, use SSS BEFORE you start hitting -- if you have that belt it increases survival a lot, esp if you dont have EW or 2xUnity yet.

 

Edited November 8, 2016 by romilly

[romilly 0]

But I came here to check something - if you roll elemental damage off the weapons, you end up with something like 350 weapon damage. Is that correct? 

Edited November 8, 2016 by romilly

[Deadset 108]

On 11/4/2016 at 3:32 PM, Ulanbator said:

Here's the link: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ulanbator-2680/hero/84146308

Heya! So definitely, focus on obtaining the priority legendaries for the build (Gungdo Gear by far, Lefebvre's for the Cube, and the two weapons). You might also find that with an unleveled Boon of the Hoarder, you gain more toughness by simply wearing Binding of the Lost. Until you find Lefebvre's, run Mantra of Salvation Agility for a decent boost of toughness.

Current gear reroll recommendations:

Shoulders - Seven-Sided Strike % to CDR (CDR = more Exploding Palm detonations, the damage of SSS is negligible in the build)

Gloves - Attack Speed to Crit Damage

Focus ring - Attack Speed to Crit Chance

Restraint ring - Life Regen to Crit Damage

Bracer - Life per Hit to Cold % damage (but this needs to be Gungdo Gear asap, first priority!)

On 11/6/2016 at 5:39 PM, Guest RCR? said:

I'm using this build in S8 right now and I like it very much. So first I want to thank you for all the effort you put in your guides! (...)

Hello and thanks! I find the struggle for Spirit odd though, you should not need RCR with Epiphany's high uptime in the build. By simply holding down the generator button in a fight and spamming SSS as it comes and goes off cooldown, and keeping up Epiphany as much as possible, I've never had resource issues. Could it be a playstyle thing?

As for switching up, it is entirely up to you. :) You have assessed correctly though, Sunwuko-based builds excel at speedfarm, and Shenlong generators - at pushing.

On 11/8/2016 at 6:32 AM, romilly said:

But I came here to check something - if you roll elemental damage off the weapons, you end up with something like 350 weapon damage. Is that correct? 

Correct, you end up with the base weapon damage. A few builds can take advantage of that tactic for a free primary affix, but Uliana Monks are not among them.

[romilly 0]

oh wait, so I shouldn't roll off the elemental damage? In your stats priority you say "weapon damage" as #1 desired stat, I assumed that meant the %age weapon damage bonus, not the maximun elemental bonus.