Zuni Carnevil Poison Dart Witch Doctor

[Guest JIGorkij]

Hi,

I am curious - why not to use The Gidbinn instead of The Dagger of Darts? It's ability to pierce that important?

Thx for answer.

[Deadset 108]

I am curious - why not to use The Gidbinn instead of The Dagger of Darts? It's ability to pierce that important?

 

Very much so! The piercing effect is a much greater boost to DPS.

[Guest nycker]

Hey, the build page is broken (do not load comletelly). Is there possible to fix it?

[Guest guest]

Hey, the build page is broken (do not load comletelly). Is there possible to fix it?

It's fixed now! 

[Guest Dan]

Very good guide! Could you update for 2.4.1 Orz

[Guest Anonymoosen]

Were there just not enough changes made to Witch Doctors that had an impact on any of the solo guides?

They seem to be the only guides not updated for the 2.4.1 patch.

[Guest ILLusion]

update build here:

[Guest D3Player]

I was asking myself the same question as the previous post regarding WD solo guides, but after viewing Deadset's Youtube Channel's last video on WD, this guide would need some updating. Is is the same for the others?

 

Great work on these guides by the way, I'm a huge fan of how well made they are. Thank you Deadset

[Guest bobby]

why spined on your darts? seems like a waste since you don't use much mana

[Deadset 108]

Guide has been updated! As for the Spined Darts question, it's to benefit from the Depth Diggers pants. Mana isn't the issue, but the damage buff is pretty nifty.

[Guest Monylock]

Guide has been updated! As for the Spined Darts question, it's to benefit from the Depth Diggers pants. Mana isn't the issue, but the damage buff is pretty nifty.

you have +poison damage as recommendation on your bracers, but since you're using Spined Darts (physical), shouldn't you try to focus on phys damage?  That would also benefit the other fetishes not spitting out darts. 

[Deadset 108]

 

Guide has been updated! As for the Spined Darts question, it's to benefit from the Depth Diggers pants. Mana isn't the issue, but the damage buff is pretty nifty.

you have +poison damage as recommendation on your bracers, but since you're using Spined Darts (physical), shouldn't you try to focus on phys damage?  That would also benefit the other fetishes not spitting out darts. 

 

 

Thing is, the five Darts shooting Fetishes from the Carnevil effect vastly out-damge you and their non-Darts brethren. Thus the recommendation for Poison damage, to further assist the Fetishes that are already ahead. :)

[Guest EndarKeN]

Is Big bad voodoo really still worth taking without starmetal kukri?

[Guest gandalf]

Hey Deadset, excellent guides. I was wondering what you thought of this variation of the build which uses Endless Walk. You effectively trade Depth Diggers damage bonus for the EW set bonus. You gain an equal 100% most of the time but also gain the added utility of damage reduction when moving around. You lose Hellfire but honestly the extra passives aren't too integral to the build.

 

It also frees up the Darts rune to anything you want.

 

Thanks!

[Guest Haurt]

Since I don't see a response and I'm not sure if that msg was before or after the nerf to Ring of Emptiness, the ring ONLY effects YOUR attacks, IE your darts, it would not effect the darts that your fetishes shoot, or at least that is what the nerf was supposed to do, IDK if the fetishes darts are unaffected since you still direct the attack or not. I am leaning toward no, it would not help in this build, simply because of that. I do have a question of my own, what is the best speed build for WD. The gargantuan build lacks directed attacks, the harvester build has that in spades but still too much setup on higher torments, and I haven't tested the other builds yet because I don't have the gear for them yet.

[Deadset 108]

On 8/12/2016 at 8:53 AM, Guest Haurt said:

Since I don't see a response and I'm not sure if that msg was before or after the nerf to Ring of Emptiness, the ring ONLY effects YOUR attacks, IE your darts, it would not effect the darts that your fetishes shoot, or at least that is what the nerf was supposed to do, IDK if the fetishes darts are unaffected since you still direct the attack or not. I am leaning toward no, it would not help in this build, simply because of that. I do have a question of my own, what is the best speed build for WD. The gargantuan build lacks directed attacks, the harvester build has that in spades but still too much setup on higher torments, and I haven't tested the other builds yet because I don't have the gear for them yet.

Heya - you are correct, the darts would not benefit from the RoE bonus damage. As for the best speed build, if you don't enjoy how Helltooth Gargantuan + Manajuma Chicken for torments, try the Firebats Arachyr, I personally love it as it gets the best of the Chicken set burst + hefty directed damage in the form of Arachyr-boosted Firebats. We have it on the site here: https://www.icy-veins.com/d3/witch-doctor-firebats-angry-chicken-with-arachyr-set-patch-2-4-2-season-7

[Guest Thraller]

Hey, great work on your guides!

I'm curious why you are taking Big Bad Voodoo. This is one of the few WD builds that takes it. Do you really think it is worth using and forcing you to use Starmetal Kukri in the cube or weapon instead of swapping to something else (and freeing you to use The Furnace or some other weapon power)?

I'm guessing the BBV attack speed buff is the primary reason for taking it, but I would think that would boost firebats just as well and no one takes that + SMK.

[Deadset 108]

On 9/6/2016 at 4:53 PM, Guest Thraller said:

Hey, great work on your guides!

I'm curious why you are taking Big Bad Voodoo. This is one of the few WD builds that takes it. Do you really think it is worth using and forcing you to use Starmetal Kukri in the cube or weapon instead of swapping to something else (and freeing you to use The Furnace or some other weapon power)?

I'm guessing the BBV attack speed buff is the primary reason for taking it, but I would think that would boost firebats just as well and no one takes that + SMK.

Thanks! You are correct in guessing that the increase of Attack Speed (made virtually permanent with the resets from the legendary effect) is the reason to take SMK for this build; your entire damage output is tied to the rate at which you shoot the Darts, and the Carnevil-affected fetishes' attack speed is tied to your own as well.

BBV would affect FIrebats (and any other damaging skill, really), but other factors kick in - faster Attack Speed puts a lot more stress on resource management. With Poison Dart being a primary skill, you are free to invest in it as much as possible.

[Guest EndarKeN]

How does this build compare to the Zunimassa Gargantuan build?

[Valks 2,375]

On 10/1/2016 at 9:39 AM, Guest EndarKeN said:

How does this build compare to the Zunimassa Gargantuan build?

I'm not sure why you'd play Zuni Garg when there is the much stronger Helltooth Garg (can push 100+). The two Zuni builds are fairly equal.

[Guest EndarKeN]

4 hours ago, Blainie said:

I'm not sure why you'd play Zuni Garg when there is the much stronger Helltooth Garg (can push 100+). The two Zuni builds are fairly equal.

Oh, I was just wondering which was better because I like to have a build for each set. I do use Helltooth Garg instead for high GRs. Also, I'm curious as to why there are 3 Helltooth builds listed when there is only 1 for most other sets.

On another note, are the GR numbers listed next to each build meant to provide the average minimum level it can clear? I play on the US servers and when I look at the in-game leaderboards, I see like 1 person who has cleared GR 100 with Helltooth Garg.

[Valks 2,375]

22 minutes ago, Guest EndarKeN said:

Oh, I was just wondering which was better because I like to have a build for each set. I do use Helltooth Garg instead for high GRs. Also, I'm curious as to why there are 3 Helltooth builds listed when there is only 1 for most other sets.

This is due to Helltooth being the best set currently for WD, so there are more builds that can be structured around the set and still succeed.

23 minutes ago, Guest EndarKeN said:

On another note, are the GR numbers listed next to each build meant to provide the average minimum level it can clear? I play on the US servers and when I look at the in-game leaderboards, I see like 1 person who has cleared GR 100 with Helltooth Garg.

Yes. The highest WD ranking currently is from a Korean WD in a 4-man using Helltooth Garg that cleared 118.

[huldu 3]

Every time I try to load this page in chrome half the page is missing, it cuts off at hands armor slot stat priority. Every other page works great tho. I was just curious if it was worth to try this build out before season 8. I've played helltooth and I don't like a pet centric build. Got the pieces for angry chicken with arachyr and loving it. It's just a bit sad that when you switch out the weapons it's like you're moving around in slow motion. 

[Valks 2,375]

On 10/16/2016 at 0:30 AM, huldu said:

Every time I try to load this page in chrome half the page is missing, it cuts off at hands armor slot stat priority. Every other page works great tho. I was just curious if it was worth to try this build out before season 8. I've played helltooth and I don't like a pet centric build. Got the pieces for angry chicken with arachyr and loving it. It's just a bit sad that when you switch out the weapons it's like you're moving around in slow motion. 

That's very odd, do you think you could post a bit more information on your site issues in our Site Feedback forum? 

It doesn't hurt to try it out, I mean, you're not going to lose much by giving it a go to see if it's worth pursuing in the next season. You might love it, you might hate it. Now's the time to find out!

[Arkpit 101]

On 2016-10-16 at 1:30 AM, huldu said:

Every time I try to load this page in chrome half the page is missing, it cuts off at hands armor slot stat priority. Every other page works great tho. I was just curious if it was worth to try this build out before season 8. I've played helltooth and I don't like a pet centric build. Got the pieces for angry chicken with arachyr and loving it. It's just a bit sad that when you switch out the weapons it's like you're moving around in slow motion. 

Hai fellow doctor! :D  

Perhaps I can send good vibes with non-pet things because I'm ooooh so with you on being angry at Gargantuan AI. After a few hundreds of hours of Season 6 where Gargs were staring at a wall after re-summon or simply hitting things half a screen away just got to me in the end and I couldn't take it.

So then what are our options as Witch Doctors without the gargantuans? Also it should be known that the angry-chicken works with ANY build. Just get whatever build and when you want to speedfarm just swap the wpn/off-hand and you're a speedy chicken while retaining most of your potential.

**Arachyr Firebats**
So, I'm including this for the sake of it being free set of season 8 but being a Hardcore only player I cannot recommend this since you'll need the Unity combo to survive which means you sacrifice the "Grandeur ring" and you will have to swap out either the Mantle of channeling or the Cindercoat. Either way you lose dmg so the cindercoat is gone leaving you 20% fire-dmg behind.

Skills I highly recommend swapping compared to icy-veins version:

-Leeching beasts +Horrify

Reason is that the dogs heal you up, but GR65+ you get oneshotted by things so the horrify saves you more than the dogs. 

In the end, the Arachyr is lacking in both survivability and dmg past GR65 compared to the options and the gear doesn't share much with others so cannot recommend.

Pros: Very cool and fun build! Unorthodox and makes the Witch Doctor actually looking like a Witch Doctor
Cons: After GR65 every battle is near death unless you go in with Journey and move out with Journey. Lacking dmg in Hardcore mode.

**Jade Harvester**
This is my preferred route without pets and on HC side season 7 a russian guy was #3 on the leaderboards going GR93.

It is hard to play but once you get the hang of it things are paradise!

Pros: dot dot dot BOOOM MU******ER! You oneshot everything... You stand still setting up wait a few seconds and watch the screen explode.
Cons: Hard to play and the more enemies you "BOOM" at once, there is a slight delay in the game which seems like a bug.

**Poison Darts**
Another of my favorites actually HOWEVER this is considered a pet-build but I assume you simply want to not use stupid AI which this does not suffer from.

The darts from your 5 closest fetishes are always nearby and if not, the Legion is is always up for re-summon (unlike hours of Garg CD).

Pros: Cool build, very different from everything else and use Simplicity gem which is a nice heal mechanic
Cons: Suffers from high end potential damage past GR70 without crazy gear.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Arkpit
Was a mistake posting before I was done!