Invoker Thorns Crusader

[Guest CrazyOne]

8 hours ago, ngrosskurth said:

How does The Mortal Drama and Ring of the Zodiac in the cube compare to Akarat's Awakening and Conversion Of Elements?  

Not even close. The shield with a Justice Lantern will be blocking more often. The Zodiac requires a spender. There is not one in this build. Once you start spending wrath the Aquilla Curiass defence goes out the window.

[Valks 2,375]

On 1/12/2017 at 0:41 AM, Guest Rispir said:

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but on the stat priority rolls for the Invoker Helm you have all resist listed, but the Invoker Helm doesn't have all resist as a possible stat, or at least mine doesn't, if that's possible?

This is definitely an available stat - do you have a single resist already on the helm in the secondary stats?

[Valks 2,375]

On 12/15/2016 at 4:12 PM, Guest DougFromFinance said:

I'm curious to know what should be applied to your ancient gear with Caldesann's recipe via the cube? Should we be applying strength to everything or is there any benefit to applying vitality to a few pieces?

I went Str with all of my Cald recipes.

[Valks 2,375]

On 12/24/2016 at 6:05 PM, Sableflame said:

Hello again... my theorycrafting and brainstorming continues.

OK, so I saw the "Can I cube something else besides CoE" question, but I didn't see where an alternative was offered, so here goes.

Cube RoRG, and replace the set bracers with Sangiunary.  Has this been looked at at all?

As Crusader's have a 1 in 4 cycle for CoE procs (Phys/Fire/Holy/Ltng - better than some single element classes, but still only a 25% up time), isn't the proc from Sanguinary a more realistic occurrence when surrounded by foes, as this build loves to be?

It would appear to be a flatter, more predictable damage curve than timing IS cooldowns with CoE procs.  Thoughts?

An answer already kind of states this, but the damage bonus from CoE is huge. Although you are playing around a cycle, you will learn to stack mobs for the bad elements and then simply melt packs during your damage uptime.

CoE is an incredibly good ring, definitely don't replace it. 

[Valks 2,375]

On 1/12/2017 at 0:33 AM, ngrosskurth said:

How does The Mortal Drama and Ring of the Zodiac in the cube compare to Akarat's Awakening and Conversion Of Elements?  

As stated above, it's not even close. Your build will fall apart once you bring in OROTZ.

[Guest Awimboway]

I've been following this build and have pretty much everything for it now and I must say it's very fun. However I don't understand the importance of Strength over Vitality? Normally yeah, but with the Heart of Iron for every point of Strength I put in I was getting not even 1 extra thorns damage but with Vitality I was getting like 23 more thorns per point.
Is there something I am missing or is the Strength for the armour increase? Or does it maybe effect block chance/amount?

[Guest Confused]

Anyone else seeing the contradiction of having both Steed Charge and Provoke in this build, or the fact that there is not RMB skill listed?

[gfauxpas 0]

Suggestions:

When running bounties, cube Swiftmount, which doubles the duration of Steed Charge. Very helpful when the bounty objective requires you to get to level 2 of some zone, this way you can run right through the level 1. 
Akarat's Champion - Rally is more useful than Akarat's Chamption - Prophet when speedrunning. You shouldn't be dying if you're doing speedruns, so the Prophet rune doesn't do anything. But the extra cooldown is nice.

 

[Valks 2,375]

On 1/14/2017 at 4:05 PM, Guest Awimboway said:

Is there something I am missing or is the Strength for the armour increase? Or does it maybe effect block chance/amount?

Here's the guide's explanation:

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Strength and Vitality are recommended on all pieces of your gear, as they both feed into your Thorns damage (the former by default, and the latter through the unique affix of  Heart of Iron).

Strength increases all damage done.

[Valks 2,375]

7 hours ago, Guest Confused said:

Anyone else seeing the contradiction of having both Steed Charge and Provoke in this build, or the fact that there is not RMB skill listed?

There is no contradiction. You need to enable elective mode in the options.

[Valks 2,375]

1 hour ago, gfauxpas said:

Suggestions:

When running bounties, cube Swiftmount, which doubles the duration of Steed Charge. Very helpful when the bounty objective requires you to get to level 2 of some zone, this way you can run right through the level 1. 
Akarat's Champion - Rally is more useful than Akarat's Chamption - Prophet when speedrunning. You shouldn't be dying if you're doing speedruns, so the Prophet rune doesn't do anything. But the extra cooldown is nice.

There is no need for Swiftmount - In-geom allows for permanent Steed usage when cubed, as long as you maintain the buff while also adding to your other abilities' output.

Again, you simply don't need the CDR from Rally since In-geom does exactly the same thing. Also remember that, there are speedruns of GRift 70+. You can definitely die there.

[gfauxpas 0]

1 minute ago, Blainie said:

There is no need for Swiftmount - In-geom allows for permanent Steed usage when cubed, as long as you maintain the buff while also adding to your other abilities' output.

Again, you simply don't need the CDR from Rally since In-geom does exactly the same thing. Also remember that, there are speedruns of GRift 70+. You can definitely die there.

How are you having permanent in-geom for bounties?

[Valks 2,375]

1 minute ago, gfauxpas said:

How are you having permanent in-geom for bounties?

With CDR from gear/gems, you can easily reach below 13 seconds on the CD of Steed. Ingeom reduces it by another 10, this becomes below 3 second CD and 0 downtime on the steed.

If you take Swiftmount instead, you are looking at a 6 second duration with a ~11-13s cooldown assuming some CDR.

[gfauxpas 0]

2 minutes ago, Blainie said:

With CDR from gear/gems, you can easily reach below 13 seconds on the CD of Steed. Ingeom reduces it by another 10, this becomes below 3 second CD and 0 downtime on the steed.

If you take Swiftmount instead, you are looking at a 6 second duration with a ~11-13s cooldown assuming some CDR.

For ingeom to be activated during bounties, you have to kill elites. Why are you killing elites while running through a zone if they're not part of the bounty objectives?

[Valks 2,375]

22 minutes ago, gfauxpas said:

For ingeom to be activated during bounties, you have to kill elites. Why are you killing elites while running through a zone if they're not part of the bounty objectives?

Because even if you take 5-6 seconds to kill an elite pack, which very rarely happens, you're still faster than not killing them at all and using Swiftmount.

[Guest Altair]

From what I have been able to read on several sites recently, Sanguinary Braces in the cube seem to provide significantly more damage than Heart of Iron. Does everybody concur on this?

[Guest Arjen64]

As much as i hated leveling up, that much I love the thornsader build.

I'm in season 9 in paragon 346 but don't seem to find "Vo'Toyias Spiker" and "Heart of iron" though.

I have "Angel hair braid" (survivability) "blood brother" (damage/survivability) cubed instead.

I have bombartment (barrels of spikes) instead of Laws of Justice because bombartment seems to do significant damage in my build.

I did grift 62 but can't stretch it much further.

I might try using bane of the stricken instead of bane of the powerfull but that would lack some survivability.

Any hints?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/arjen64-2740/hero/87239703

[Zagrash90 4]

Which follower would be good for this build?

[Valks 2,375]

13 hours ago, Guest Altair said:

From what I have been able to read on several sites recently, Sanguinary Braces in the cube seem to provide significantly more damage than Heart of Iron. Does everybody concur on this?

Unless they have been buffed very recently, they have a dreadful proc rate, bad RNG can lead to even worse damage output and they don't benefit from a number of bonuses that do stack with your Invoker's bonuses. The radius is also smaller than the Invoker's set bonus.

[Valks 2,375]

4 hours ago, Guest Arjen64 said:

Any hints?

Well:

• You haven't enchanted a fair few pieces of gear at all, for some reason.
• Bombardment definitely shouldn't be used instead of LoJ.
• Your replacements are fine, they're not as good as the chosen pieces, but they work until you get better ones in the cube.
• Your gems are incredibly low level for trying to push higher rifts. I would speed farm 45s-55s until your gems are higher level.
• Stricken is definitely better than Powerful for GRs. If you are struggling with survivability, it's probably because you took out one of your surv. abilities for Bombardment.

Just a few hints.

[Valks 2,375]

26 minutes ago, Zagrash90 said:

Which follower would be good for this build?

Templar.

[Zagrash90 4]

37 minutes ago, Blainie said:

Templar.

Thanks, i tried Scoundrel but his dirty fighting messes with my skills.

[Valks 2,375]

3 minutes ago, Zagrash90 said:

Thanks, i tried Scoundrel but his dirty fighting messes with my skills.

Yeah, the scoundrel is a very niche follower that only really fits into some builds/situations. Templar is the go-to for most.

[Guest Altair]

3 hours ago, Blainie said:

Unless they have been buffed very recently, they have a dreadful proc rate, bad RNG can lead to even worse damage output and they don't benefit from a number of bonuses that do stack with your Invoker's bonuses. The radius is also smaller than the Invoker's set bonus.

Actually it is confirmed that they have been buffed in recent patches and do not have these issues anymore...

[Valks 2,375]

15 minutes ago, Guest Altair said:

Actually it is confirmed that they have been buffed in recent patches and do not have these issues anymore...

Did they buff the proc rate? Do we know how often it actually procs now? I think it used to sit at around 5-10% or something.