5.4 Demonology Tips and Quirks

[Merlins 0]

So does anyone have the math on say currently, we have 12000 haste, so if we dropped back to 8100 haste and did that 4k to mastery what the dps differnce would be on the proc rate on the rppm trinkets. With both stats being farly equal, getting more uptime on trinkets/Meta gem might be better then that 4k to mastery? Also does haste affect the imps spawn and cast time?

Edited May 16, 2013 by Merlins

[Zagam 1,982]

Yes, Haste affects all of that. Haste lowers the cooldown on Imp Swarm and the time interval between Imps spawning via Demonic Calling. The math for calculating RealPPM rates is found in the trinket section of these forums.

[Merlins 0]

Ok so I did 2 sims, 6min fight, light movement, 10000 lt, and the 12000, haste one was at 176227

: 176227 dps

And the Haste one at 8100 haste, could only add 3600 of that 4000 haste to mastery

: 176275 dps

So it was a -2 dps loss to go to mastery. So the question im asking is will the mastery one shine on add fights due to the aoe, and is that loss on haste going to affect the rppm trinkets and meta gem. I cant reach 14000 haste yet (can only get to 12000) so im stuck in the middle.

Edited May 17, 2013 by Merlins

[Vestion 8]

Probably an idea just to reforge according to the fight. For single-ish target (there isnt really any pure single target in ToT) im thinking haste > mastery, but mastery would pull ahead on most other fights. Not to mention personal play style is a factor. Also if you use sacrifise then I (think) mastery is much better.

[Zagam 1,982]

Mastery reforging/gemming provides a higher burst potential than full on Haste. It's also better in terms of cleaving AoE. In regards to Council specifically, the only case like this in this tier, Sacrifice + Haste is the best option because you have 4 Dooms ticking creating enough Imps to make Death Knight's Army of the Dead feel vastly inferior.

With some of the fights in heroic mode, you'll find on demand burst at a higher premium than Haste sustained DPS. Jin'rohk puddles, Horridon special adds (Wastewalker, Venom Priest, etc), Tortos bats, Ji'kun nests, Durumu Ice Walls, Dark Animus boss, and Lei Shen Ball Lightning all have a need for bigger burst and true AoE. This whole discussion will have to be revisted when 5.4 comes and we take a look at those raid bosses.

[Omaric 246]

OMGOMGOMGOMG rolled a 522 UVoLS last night!!!

[Zagam 1,982]

Nice. If my speculation is correct, you and I will have 530 versions come Tuesday :D

[Sifon 25]

And me and me! By the way we got a new warlock who is main spec Affliction so I'm not on slow duty on Tortos anymore, but 2 weeks in a row, Tortos is a complete chaos for me as Demo. I try to AoE on bats, try to do some damage on turtles, meanwhile pet goes out of control etc etc I'm completely lost about that fight. I really need some tips about it even though its on farm, I suffer from doing low damage.

[Zagam 1,982]

Sifon, take up camp on the left wall near the front left crystal. Use your heavy burst + all pets at the beginning. If Unerring procs, you're in business. When the first set of bats come, your tank should be pulling them to Tortos' right shoulder which is conveniently on the left side where you are camping. Our tank lets us know when it's safe to AoE. When he is repositioning the bats, use your pet attack command or macro to get your Felguard/Wrathguard on the bats. When he says 'go ahead and AoE,' use Hand of Guldan twice back to back, pop into Meta, fire up Immolation Aura, and spam the living bejesus out of Void Ray. Flip on Fel/Wrathstorm for mega AoE. Neat note: bats coming down is on a 45 sec CD. Fel/Wrathstorm is on a 45 sec CD...beautiful. When the bats are dead, backup against the wall, pop Sac Pact for Quake Stomp, ignore Crystal, rinse and repeat. 300k is very obtainable if someone is helping you AoE the bats. If not, you could push 400k+ using this strat.

[Omaric 246]

I recommend setting your pet to "guard" and throwing it at Tortos for constant damage until the bats come up. Have it assist and fel/wrathstorm until they're dead and then stick the pet back on Tortos while you help with turtles. I think Zagam already covered his overall strat for Tortos with using Service and other CD's every other bat pack (I think).

Edit: Beat me to it. =P

Edited May 17, 2013 by Omaric

[Zagam 1,982]

Service is nice for destroying one set of bats, especially lined up with Dark Soul. Damn things don't stand a chance. However, I think Supremacy wins here with you always having a 20% empowered "Felstorm" making your overall damage higher. His cleave also hits much harder.

[Omaric 246]

Would you say that it hits about...... 20% harder? *Dr. Evil pinky to mouth thing*

[Sifon 25]

But in our guild ranged are assigned to turtles and even though you have the best AoE burst in the game you will called as a meter paddler because you are not doing what you assigned and AoEing instead. And bats die quick generally melee cleaves them and I think Shadow Priests padds a little too but I'm gonna try this next week. By the way about Sact Pact, Quake has a shorter CD than Sact Pact so you won't have it for every single one but Soul Link is always there for you.

[obleak 10]

i prefer destro on that fight Sifon.. unfort they ask me to go affliction so i can use CoE to slow... i hate affliction on that fight

People who don't really know our locks well complain and say well just conflag them.. and I in turn get frustrated because they don't understand that conflags slow is very short with a decent CD so not able to keep on em 100%

I just wish i liked affliction aoe

Edited May 17, 2013 by obleak

[Zagam 1,982]

Not sure if you raid 10 or 25, but our Fire Mage and Boomkin handle Turtles by themselves. Frees me and the Monk and UH DK to melt bats while everyone else tunnels Tortos. The Tortos tank (Warrior) cleaves some Deep Wounds onto them. This weeks log here for reference: http://worldoflogs.c.../?s=3912&e=4282

Go to Analyze and look at damage by target. For proof of Service being OP when it lines up with Dark Soul, look at my damage parse on the bats. At the 20:04:45 mark, I peak over 1,250,000 DPS.

[obleak 10]

10man.. our boomkin and myself handle them while our Hunter and shaman do the bats...

We are talking about 10m Heroic, right?

I wish i could be just bats... but i do drop my ROF on them for better single target

[Omaric 246]

10man.. our boomkin and myself handle them while our Hunter and shaman do the bats...

We are talking about 10m Heroic, right?

I wish i could be just bats... but i do drop my ROF on them for better single target

Drop a FnB Immolate on them as well if you can. You'll definitely get your ember back.

[obleak 10]

Drop a FnB Immolate on them as well if you can. You'll definitely get your ember back.

I do With my four piece i try to keep immolate up on all AOE situations for some mega ember return.

I just hate that i'm asked to go affliction. I know the affliction swap abuse is effective on this fight but the aoe just is not there like it is for destro or affliction. My raid leader also wanted me to go affliction on horridon (which i "kindly" refused) because he seemed to think it was better. I know it has potential, but not better than destro nor did i feel as comfortable with it. Now any single target i would gladly stick to affliction or Demo

Give me UVL and i'll go demo though... darn you game for hording it from our raid!

Edited May 18, 2013 by obleak

[Vestion 8]

Can anyone tell me how I did as demo aoe on horridon?

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-rw8m0ejq3l2bbcsn/details/9/?s=3318&e=3850

[obleak 10]

not bad @ 175k, but you'll find affliction destro do better on this fight. I guess demo would be ok, but not optimal.

[gahhda 95]

I just hate that i'm asked to go affliction. I know the affliction swap abuse is effective on this fight but the aoe just is not there like it is for destro or affliction. My raid leader also wanted me to go affliction on horridon (which i "kindly" refused) because he seemed to think it was better. I know it has potential, but not better than destro nor did i feel as comfortable with it. Now any single target i would gladly stick to affliction or

See affliction thread, this no longer matters.

[Omaric 246]

New troll heeyah.

Do you think that's true though Gahhda? I mean, Agony is the big hitter there, and if it's unaffected then it might still be in business. That said, I abhor that playstyle and wish it would die a horrible death.

[Darthsoul 3]

I'm very new to warlock as I just dinged 90 two weeks ago but I have been gearing up at a decent rate for 10 man. I sit at 510 ilvl currently with the LFR unerring trinket. In the guide and in multiple other posts throughout the forums I have seen it said the trinket should proc in your opener everytime but mine never seems too. The only thing I can think is this, either the LFR trinket doesn't proc like the normal or heroic or my haste lvls are to low to make it proc. Any help would be appreciated. Also with the current hotfix with snapshotting on affliction is demo now the spec of choice on most fights?

[Sifon 25]

I'm offically Goblin because of transmog reasons, I don't miss Berserking a lot because lining up Imp Swarm with Dark Soul makes it harder to line up with Berserking but sadly it makes my opener really slow, sometimes my LMG doesn't proc, sometimes my UVoLS procs late and ruins the whole burst etc :(

[Zagam 1,982]

I need to know if others are seeing this. My average Doom tick last week (non-crit) was 90k. This week, I'm averaging 50k. Anyone seeing similar things?

Also, I didn't see the Grim of Sac nerf in the patch notes thinking they reverted it but it's definitely represented on the tooltip.