5.4 Demonology Tips and Quirks

[Sifon 25]

HTF UVLS went to a Spriest before you? DKP system should have been overriden. UVLS, especially HTF, is your BiS until the next xpac. Rather poor decision on your guild's part, IMO.

He SAID its BiS for him too until next xpac, but its tied to his 2pc t15. I know he will break his 2pc t15 at some point before this expansion ends and I will wait that moment, even tho it takes month.

Even we had an agreement about he's passing my HC TF and I'm passing him HC, but when shiny loot appears, everything else is unimportant.

Edited July 8, 2013 by Sifon

[Zagam 1,982]

There's no way it does for him what it does for us. It may be BiS, but the marginal difference between his BiS and 2nd BiS is MUCH smaller than your marginal difference. Oh well, loot is fun, but the kill is what matters. You got many weeks to repeat it until 5.4 launches. Just make sure no one else steals it.

Side note: any experienced Spriests care to explain why it's so good for you and what it does? Do you get something out of your Vampiric Touch/SW:P/Devouring Plague DoT crit ticks? Without Pandemic, I would think the application of the buff would be much less useful as you'd almost SURELY be clipping your DoTs losing DPET in the process by having to react in 4 seconds to get 3 DoTs up since you don't have a tool that puts all DoTs up either. Would holding onto Shadow Orbs be a valuable option fishing for a proc? Just seems that for any spec other than Affliction or Demonology, there will be better options in the future, maybe even now. I'm very open to being proven wrong, and don't let anything I said in this post reflect any knowledge of a Spriest. I just know some stuff they do but have NO clue how to maximize it.

[Omaric 246]

You potentially gain 19 ilvls from a fully upgraded normal UVoLS, but really, the proc doesn't change. Sure, you've got a chance at more procs, but as has been said over and over, the proc doesn't care about your life or how much damage you want to do. You gain some Int and not much else.

Now, if the priest took it when you didn't even have a UVoLS at all yet, that's another story.

[Sifon 25]

If it was an upgrade from normal to normal tf, I would agree but its the BEST, that's why I'm not happy, I couldn't care less about 535 version but 541 is whole another story. And most likely it won't drop as 541 ever again.

[Zagam 1,982]

The point doesn't like with the proc rate, statistics, static Int, etc. It lies in that it will be the ABSOLUTE BiS for Demonology and probably Affliction all the way until 2014, when the next xpac rocks out. I don't see how UVLS stays so far ahead for Spriests, Moonkins, Mages, etc. I'm not trying to be a greedy asshole over the trinket, but I think it's a team-oriented decision to get the maximum value out of it.

[Omaric 246]

Unless they change the proc, I don't see it not remaining the best at any 522+ ilvl. I understand getting snubbed out of a rare find, it sucks beans, but the only reason it's insane is its proc, and that doesn't change.

[Darthsoul 3]

I think the point is that we will be using UVoLS the entire next tier and HTF would be our BiS while the spriest will switch out of that trinket early in the next tier so it was selfish to take it. According to my spriest friend it is very close among all trinkets for them and fight dependent, neither of which says that the spriest should have got it regardless if the proc is the same or not with different ilvl. It would be used for months by us and maybe a month or two by them.

[Omaric 246]

Word. I can understand that. I still feel they are going to nerf it though. Perhaps they will give Demonology a passive proc tied to some of our spells that does something similar.

[Darthsoul 3]

Yeh wouldn't surprise me. Kind of like they did with the sinestra trinket for healers at the end of that tier, so people would actually want the next tiers trinkets.

[Zagam 1,982]

I'd really be surprised if they nerf Unerring or Rune of Re-origination. I give it a 2% chance. Every indicator points at them leaving those two trinkets, and all trinkets from this tier, alone and moving forward. The logrithmic pattern of itemization and gearing up will make it so they're viable for one more tier, but not more than that.

[Cruzan 71]

The nerf wouldn't be with the trinket, but more than likely with the interaction between Doom Crits and Wild Imps spawning imo. Can only hope that doesn't happen, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[Omaric 246]

The nerf wouldn't be with the trinket, but more than likely with the interaction between Doom Crits and Wild Imps spawning imo. Can only hope that doesn't happen, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I can see them giving a base chance to spawn a Wild Imp, increased further by your crit chance. Maybe a 10% chance to spawn a Wild Imp each tick. Though that could get out of hand on really high target fights. "Is it going to be alive for 10 seconds? Doom it."

[Alphric 7]

I don't know if this is said within the thread already, because it's 31 pages long, damn, but after the opener where you use synapse springs with dark soul and the orc/troll cd's that I wish they would throw me a bone on....ha...worgen...bone. But anyways, is it best to save the synapse springs for when you dark soul/lei shen proc or to macro it to a spell after the opener

[Zagam 1,982]

Use Synapse Springs on CD (10 sec duration, 60 sec CD, right?) You should use it in conjunction with Dark Soul absolutely. You'll have to use it on CD to make sure it lines up with Dark Soul each time.

[Alphric 7]

OK thanks, so i guess the easy answer is both. When I played destro I had it set to immolate and it would go off every minute, and every two minutes I would dark soul. Thanks Zagam

[Darthsoul 3]

I saw that sparkuggz is using herbalism for the haste proc. Is this worth using over say tailoring? With the 2 min cooldown I could see it being very beneficial for our burst.

[Nytemare 2]

OK thanks, so i guess the easy answer is both. When I played destro I had it set to immolate and it would go off every minute, and every two minutes I would dark soul. Thanks Zagam

Yeah could macro it in but if you off by a sec poping it, you then have to halt dark soul for it to finish, sometimes I find just using it only when dark soul is up is good enough. only average of 320int, and lot of top raiders I seen, don't always have profession that help in raid, so not always that big of deal, best it can do it give you little more dps, but nothing I seen that makes or break you.

[Alphric 7]

Tried out my new off spec of demonology tonight and boy was it el stinko. Got some serious training to do. Only did about 77k on the 4th wing bosses...same thing happened last week though when I swapped my main spec to affliction. Within a few days I doubled the dps. I see demo taking longer to get under my fingers. I do want to play it though, if nothing else for an aoe spec (I understand its generally stronger all around) I'm just so bored with destro after all the green fire novelty wore off.

[Alphric 7]

Also I fell in love with affliction about 5 seconds after swapping to it when I malefic grasped on a squirrel. Mwahaha! I feel like I need to be good at demo to be a legit lock.

[Zagam 1,982]

Good Warlocks can be all three specs. I heavily suggest you get used to Demonology, however, as it is looking quite strong on the PTR with the AoE, multi-target, and high movement fights.

[Juloroh 0]

Zagam, if you had compare your Affliction Opener and your Demonology Opener :

How far can you go with each spec?and for how long?i really want to see because i feel like Affliction Opener is really meeuuuhhh compared to Demonology....

[Zagam 1,982]

Depends on number of targets. Affliction's opener is pretty solid for a good period of time but it starts to drop off when you have to refresh a non-buffed UA and then watch your mega-buffed Agony run its course and refresh that. You start to plummet after that. Demonology's blessing is not as high of a burst but a REALLY solid sustained because if you have Bloodlust and Tempus Repit running, you've got something in the neighborhood of 14-15 Doom ticks in 90 seconds which means you're getting an Imp every 6 seconds. This makes it so you watch other classes burst ahead of you then fall down below you as you hold pretty high.

Unsure what "meeuuuhhh" means...is that a sad sound or an exciting warcry? Both are solid, but I think Affliction is more dependent on higher procs. Affliction can stretch buffs up to 40ish seconds with Agony. Doom can extend procs MUCH longer. They're still pretty close when it comes down to it.

[Omaric 246]

I think he just meant "meh".

Affliction opener bursts pretty hard, but so does Demo. I guess I don't have anything to add, haha.

[Juloroh 0]

Depends on number of targets. Affliction's opener is pretty solid for a good period of time but it starts to drop off when you have to refresh a non-buffed UA and then watch your mega-buffed Agony run its course and refresh that. You start to plummet after that. Demonology's blessing is not as high of a burst but a REALLY solid sustained because if you have Bloodlust and Tempus Repit running, you've got something in the neighborhood of 14-15 Doom ticks in 90 seconds which means you're getting an Imp every 6 seconds. This makes it so you watch other classes burst ahead of you then fall down below you as you hold pretty high.

Unsure what "meeuuuhhh" means...is that a sad sound or an exciting warcry? Both are solid, but I think Affliction is more dependent on higher procs. Affliction can stretch buffs up to 40ish seconds with Agony. Doom can extend procs MUCH longer. They're still pretty close when it comes down to it.

=)..I said meuh to express the fact that it was not good....thank you for the clarification. Because when i compare with myself playing both spec, i can easily reach 300 k + DPS in the opener , without BL but that's not the case with Affliction...Maybe because i'm not playing with Wush + UVLS combo when playing Affliction.

[Alphric 7]

Yes yes that's why I'm now aff/demo instead of just destro 24/7. Demo does seem fun though. Maybe I should go HoG on A squirrel.