5.4 Demonology Tips and Quirks

[Zagam 1,982]

UVLS will still proc on the pull.  They did not adjust the preset 120 seconds since combat timer.  There will, however, be a lot more no procs on the pull situations than before.  The RPPM factor is reduced 40% for Warlocks only, so you won't see a reported different number.

 

UVLS is the worst trinket to record and represent with 'uptime' because you don't care how long it's up.  You care how many procs you get and the interval between them.  If you get 3 procs back to back to back in the first 20 seconds and never get another, you'd have the same uptime as someone who got 3 procs with 90 seconds between each one but a VASTLY different DPS report. 

[Grievus 0]

So my question is would you still use the UVLS?  I have the options of normal UVLS, normal immerseus, normal breath, and normal wuuoshulays - upgraded of course.

 

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/durotan/Cerisse/simple

[Zagam 1,982]

If you're still playing Demonology, I'd still go with Bindings + UVLS until you get BBoY or the Multistrike trinket.  It still procs at the beginning (at least until Blizz realizes they forgot to nerf that, too), but you won't get as many throughout the fight, so you have to make absolutely sure that you get it when they pop.

[Calenthaurin 1]

Personally I got normal bindings and was playing with lfrUVLS... I think I'm just gonna drop the lfrUVLS and go for normal BoTH and even Yulon's bite when I can get it.

I doubt the nerfed UVLS LFR is still above the other trinket, especially when it procs at the wrong moment...

[Scathbais 1]

Perhaps Yu'lon's Bite might be an option for progression?  Fully upgraded it provides +1785 INT and around 18% crit strike on a 115 ICD.  This works well with Doom + Pandemic.  Perhaps getting to 32% (raid buffed) Crit is an option as it would provide ~50% chance for Wild Imp generation.    Timed with Skull Banner and you are getting ~70% crit strike chance.

 

I'm not much of a theorycrafter but it might work if Demo is fury starved due to lack of wild imps.

[Zagam 1,982]

Perhaps Yu'lon's Bite might be an option for progression?  Fully upgraded it provides +1785 INT and around 18% crit strike on a 115 ICD.  This works well with Doom + Pandemic.  Perhaps getting to 32% (raid buffed) Crit is an option as it would provide ~50% chance for Wild Imp generation.    Timed with Skull Banner and you are getting ~70% crit strike chance.

 

I'm not much of a theorycrafter but it might work if Demo is fury starved due to lack of wild imps.

18% Crit strike would only work well with Doom if you snapshotted it.  If you're playing Demonology, you should be snapshotting UVLS, not Yu'lon's bite.  Yu'lon's Bite is a crap trinket.  Basing your secondary stats around a trinket proc with a 115 sec ICD to try to get Imps to pop every so often completely neuters the rest of your DPS including sacrificing a Haste breakpoint and a metric shit ton of Mastery. 

 

I know people are trying to find a place for Yu'lon's Bite...there is a reason it is a welfare epic.

[Scathbais 1]

18% Crit strike would only work well with Doom if you snapshotted it.  If you're playing Demonology, you should be snapshotting UVLS, not Yu'lon's bite.  

 

I completely agree.  I was operating under the assumptions that

1) UVLS is no longer worth using

2) The spec might be fury starved without the extra wild imps.

 

I may be wrong but I recall Crit being Demo's best stat in 5.3 until you got UVLS.  If you are saying UVLS is still worth using then clearly Crit is not worth it.

[mediocregatsby 18]

UVLS is still worth using if you're progressing normal modes where most boss kills are short enough that the initial 1.5 minute crit doom off the pull plus one semi-reliable extra proc in the fight will keep you well supplied with imps. anything over ~7 minutes will risk a painful lack of procs/imps.

[Drain 0]

UVLS is still worth using if you're progressing normal modes where most boss kills are short enough that the initial 1.5 minute crit doom off the pull plus one semi-reliable extra proc in the fight will keep you well supplied with imps. anything over ~7 minutes will risk a painful lack of procs/imps.

I agree with this (still progressing through normal). Anyone has a thought about glyph of imp swarm yes or no?

[ertai 0]

Is yu lon trinket 535 a good one for destro in normal raid mode at least?

The crit proc shoud be valuable for this spec espescially cause it can line up with dark soul for chaos bolt.

 

Concerning UVOLS i've tested it in raid finder and it seems that the uptime drops to 3% (beeteween 5 and 6 before nerf).

Will some warlock stay demono after this nerf?

[Juloroh 0]

Story i made regarding thsoe changes( yeah yeah , i know, i was bored).

 

History of the Warlock in Blizzard WOW :

 

When we arrived at Pandaria, it was in the year 1 after the ressurection of the true dark magic( in the year 50.P). Kil'Jaeden, Archimonde and Mannoroth decided to assign 3 general to each warlock ways of fighting.

The first Demonologia, The Demon Prince of Demonic Transformation and Minions Control from who an human could learn how to transform temporary Demon and control an army of imps with the advantage of having a permanent more powerful minion.

The second general, called Afflictinas, The Demon Prince of Extreme Agony and Powerful Disease from an Human could learn how to manipulate many curses, diseases and progressively extract the souls of those he fight.

The Third General was Destructias, The Demon Prince of Chaos and Destruction, who gave his followers the possibility to fight with enhanced flame and eventually learn one of the most powerful spell in the history of WOW : The Chaos Bolt.

 

We were three warlock, each assigned to each Demon Prince. I fight , i was building power from the nether world and when this power was at my maximum, i could unleash hell  by transforming into a demon and wreak havoc. My Brother fought by breaking Soul Shards that contained the soul of those that fall to his diseases and my friend fought by burnng it's victims and finally calling the Chaos Bolt to finish it.

 

In this year 50.P,  some times after we arrived at Pandaria, we could not worship Demonologia and Destructias; because somehow...Ghostcrawler, the ultimate god of the world of WOW, put a protective barrier around the shrine of those two and even if we could still use the little powers 

left by those two, we were severely limited by the power of the spell due to the broken connection between it's followers and the shrine. So every one of us turned to Afflictinas for the time being. At this time, every practionners were following Kil'Jaeden because he was the one who enhanced the most our powers and the two others were joking at this time.Kil'Jaeden permitted us to cast spell even if we move from the place we gathers power...But by doing this, we were slower in casting those spells.

 

In the year 51.P, we were still following Afflictinas.Those who still followed Demonologia were mocked when transforming in their so called "powerful demon transformation" and those casting Chaos Bolt were wreaking Havoc on Arena and Battlegrounds where a single chaos bolt would wype an entire raid.

 

And then, in the year 52.P, we had to go to the isle of thunder king, where we discovered a really powerful artifact : the unnering vision of Lei Shen. What was weird was that most casters or magic users, were not interested by this trinket, as if it was not powerful.Those who followed Afflictinas saw some potential but those few followers from Demonologia saw infinite powers from this trinket.At this time, Ghostcrawler somehow broke the protective barrier around the shrine and permitted us to fully follow Demonologia. At this time, we saw an equal number of Affliction and Demonology Warlock.We were still following Kil'Jaeden as the other two, were still in the toilet, giving us crappy power-ups.Destructias Communication began to fade  somehow, and the power of the Chaos Bolt was beginning to fade too.

 

In the year 53.P, Warlock were highly sought to battle the likes of the Mantid & the Mogu. Demonologia, by retrieving  the trinket gave us immeasurable power. Afflictinas was still followed but not like before. However, the power given by her, even though it was behind those given by the trinket & Demonologia, was still great. All communication from Destructias was lost and those who loved Destructias still tried to make contact wit her.Poor people, they would one day try to follow Afflictinas or Demonologia, but still wanted to hear the whisper of Destructias.

 

In the year 54.P, Afflictinas received the favor of the God of Blizzard, and made contact with the Great Crab, allowing her power to be shifted from the main spell we had to channel to inflict incredible pain to the disease that caused those pain. That made those following Afflictinas 

more powerful in multiple target situation. We, as Demonologia's followers, were left like before until this "DAY" where The God of Blizzard decided to punish Demonologia. He broke the unnering vision of Lei Shen, so we could only use 1/4 of it's power. What was weird that if you gave 

it to a mage or an another magic user, it would suddenly to restore to it's full power, and if a warlock, touch it, it broke. But that's not the end of the story, All imps from the nether world, from the world of Demonologia, were afflicted and cursed, and all the spells they would cast 

would not even kill a fly. What is the point of following a Minion user if your minions can't even do the dirty work? Everyone was slowly shifting to Afflictinas, who was as powerful as in the year 50.P, and Destructias, who slowly began to propose Great Power.As for Demonologia, 

 

it seems it is really the END of Demonologia's Era.

 

Journal of a Demonology Warlock.

Edited September 26, 2013 by Juloroh

[Kazistrasz 216]

I honestly have just given up on Demo. Getting two or three procs in an entire fight from UVLS just sucks. Maybe it's because I had the 530 version and not 543/549, but I was getting the proc very close to one every three minutes using it Tuesday (small sample size, but enough to make me sadface/rageface). Combining this with have just broken my 2pc and I have a :( situation of not being able to burst worth crap on the opener anymore and not being able to sustain as much during the fight anymore either. Hurray Aff/Destro!

[Juloroh 0]

I honestly have just given up on Demo. Getting two or three procs in an entire fight from UVLS just sucks. Maybe it's because I had the 530 version and not 543/549, but I was getting the proc very close to one every three minutes using it Tuesday (small sample size, but enough to make me sadface/rageface). Combining this with have just broken my 2pc and I have a situation of not being able to burst worth crap on the opener anymore and not being able to sustain as much during the fight anymore either. Hurray Aff/Destro!

I really felt the same, bu i still wanted to try...But it's just like going in Karate lessons with the lost of one hand or arm. We seriously did take a one, big holy f****kin' shitty nerf.

Seriously, the UVLS nerf is not the thing that bothers me this much, getting three proc in a fight is like having permanent bad RNG but it's alright. the thing that really bothers me is Imp Damage with or without UVLS. They'r like 10 to 15% of my DPS when they were 25 to 30 % of my DPS. It really hurts. I hope we get some kind of compensation...

[Kazistrasz 216]

I really felt the same, bu i still wanted to try...But it's just like going in Karate lessons with the lost of one hand or arm. We seriously did take a one, big holy f****kin' shitty nerf.

Seriously, the UVLS nerf is not the thing that bothers me this much, getting three proc in a fight is like having permanent bad RNG but it's alright. the thing that really bothers me is Imp Damage with or without UVLS. They'r like 10 to 15% of my DPS when they were 25 to 30 % of my DPS. It really hurts. I hope we get some kind of compensation...

 

Did you really just censor "fuckin'" but leave "shitty" in?

[Omaric 246]

DON'T YOU ****IN JUDGE HIM!

[Zagam 1,982]

Is yu lon trinket 535 a good one for destro in normal raid mode at least?

The crit proc shoud be valuable for this spec espescially cause it can line up with dark soul for chaos bolt.

 

Concerning UVOLS i've tested it in raid finder and it seems that the uptime drops to 3% (beeteween 5 and 6 before nerf).

Will some warlock stay demono after this nerf?

Yu'lon trinket blows.  Is it better than no trinket?  Yeah.  Is it better than ToT trinkets?  No.  Is it better than Siege trinkets?  Hell no.  Is it better than T14 trinkets?  Yeah, probably.

 

Uptime doesn't matter.  Procs matter, and a decent proc interval is important.  Uptime DOES NOT MATTER for UVLS.  # of procs matters.  It doesn't matter if you get 4 procs in a fight if they all happen in the first 30 seconds.  If you got 4 procs in the same fight on a different attempt with 60 seconds between each proc, the uptime will be the same, but your efficiency and DPS will be VASTLY higher with the same procs spread out.  Lower RPPM hurts the chances of getting good interval procs.

 

Some Warlocks will stay Demonology and there's nothing wrong with that.  You should play this game how you feel comfortable and to maximize your performance.  If you suck as Affliction or Destro but mastered Demo, you'll perform better as Demo regardless of the sim values or other logs.

[Nytemare 2]

 

 

Journal of a Demonology Warlock.

 

 

OMG I loved it, couldn't stop laughing, so wish The Great Crab - more like the great hater could see this and read it.

Edited September 27, 2013 by Nytemare

[Omaric 246]

Alrighty, logs from last night:

 

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-5ilg1d27e7z50t3n/details/18/?s=350&e=617

 

I tried my hand as Demonology on Dark Shaman, Thok and the Paragons.

 

*note* No UVLS.  Using Cha'ye's until I find something better.

 

Dark Shaman: Still extremely viable.  Pulled 357k DPS over the 4:27 minute fight.  This is with errors as I'm still getting attuned to using no Imp Swarm glyph or GoServ.  I also failed at preventing myself from over-capping on MC procs, so I definitely wasted uptime on the 2-piece.  I saw a 22% uptime on my 2-piece, which is pretty amazing given for 1/5 of the fight my pet and I are doing 20% more damage.  I easily could have bumped that up beyond 30% if I had more practice with the playstyle and spending my MC procs correctly.

 

Also, Doom hits HARD.  At one point I saw a crit for over 640k.  I'm sure that was with the 2-piece, Fiery Wrath, active.

 

Thok: Eh, I failed pretty hard on this fight.  I'm getting used to having really low haste and weaving spells in during the silence phase was a little bit of a pain.  Keep in mind, I know I can pool up and ToC through the tough parts, but I'm still trying to get some Soulfire casts in to maintain 2-piece.  It's clearly still viable, but once I get the totem trinket from Dark Shaman and some more experience with the new playstyle it will look much better.

 

Paragons: I was looking at 38% uptime on 2-piece for this fight.  Insane.  Unfortunately I misplayed this fight all over the place.  I'm going to chalk it up to still getting used to the new playstyle.  I'm going to have to run LFR as nothing but Demonology to get the mechanics pounded into my head.

 

If anyone has questions on Demonology I'd be happy to answer as it relates to the new content or in general.  I'm going to continue to hold onto it over Affliction for now.

[Rakupenda 15]

Why aren't you using GoServ anymore?

[Zagam 1,982]

Supremacy wins with 2pc.

[Rakupenda 15]

Ah, right.

[Zagam 1,982]

Alrighty, logs from last night:

 

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-5ilg1d27e7z50t3n/details/18/?s=350&e=617

 

Looks solid.  Still makes me cry seeing your Wrathguard do as much as your Wild Imps.  You had a pretty decent Doom crit percentage...almost 50%.  Line up with your actual crit or did you get lucky?  Also, I would imagine the first 4 Dooms you got off to be quite powerful considering you'd have 25k Intellect rolling from your trinkets with Bloodlust.  Your initial burst helped, but you did fall quite low at periods of time.  Poor positioning or just...no procs and low DF?  High Fiery Wrath uptime isn't surprising with how Paragons are set up...you have a high frequency of attacking something below 25% triggering Molten Core.

[Omaric 246]

Looks solid.  Still makes me cry seeing your Wrathguard do as much as your Wild Imps.  You had a pretty decent Doom crit percentage...almost 50%.  Line up with your actual crit or did you get lucky?  Also, I would imagine the first 4 Dooms you got off to be quite powerful considering you'd have 25k Intellect rolling from your trinkets with Bloodlust.  Your initial burst helped, but you did fall quite low at periods of time.  Poor positioning or just...no procs and low DF?  High Fiery Wrath uptime isn't surprising with how Paragons are set up...you have a high frequency of attacking something below 25% triggering Molten Core.

 

My crit in raid is 35%, so I got lucky.  Hmm, how much crit does 25k Intellect net us?  That could be part of it.

 

As for periods of low damage.  Mostly indecisiveness and learning the playstyle, referring to Dark Shaman.  I would decide I want to AoE the blobs, then the blobs die fast anyway *or* I thought I had a charge of HoG and didn't, stalling me.

 

Good call with the Paragons, I suppose I didn't factor in how much more often I get to spam SF on that fight.

[Omaric 246]

Ooooo!  And I just had a thought.  Pre-pot > Soulfire for a 20% chance to do 20% more damage on your opener.  Sounds inticing.  I've come a long way since last tier fer shur:

 

 

[Zagam 1,982]

I would pre-cast Soul Fire now that you don't worry about proccing UVLS