Throne of Thunder Mage Style

[Damien 1,514]

This thread is meant to collect useful pieces of information for Arcane, Fire, and Frost Mages attempting bosses in the Throne of Thunder. We will add some contributions ourselves and hope that the rest will come from comments in this thread

Table of Contents

• Jin'rokh the Breaker
• Horridon
• Council of Elders
• Tortos
• Megaera
• Ji-Kun
• Durumu the Forgotten
• Primordius
• Dark Animus
• Iron Qon
• Twin Consorts
• Lei Shen

Jin'rokh the Breaker

Normal mode

Useful talents:

• Blazing Speed helps you reposition yourself quickly. Fire and Frost Mages have several instant-cast spells in their rotation. As such, they have more innate mobility than Arcane Mages and may prefer to use Presence of Mind as a DPS cooldown.
• Ice Barrier or Temporal Shield
• Greater Invisibility
• Living Bomb

Useful glyphs:

• Glyph of Blink
• Glyph of Combustion for Fire Mages will allow you to better line up Combustion with the spawning rate of the Conductive Waters.
• Glyph of Icy Veins for Frost Mages so that, Icy Veins used along with Heroism will not result in wasted GCDs.

Tips and Tricks:

• Use your cooldowns in the Conductive Waters.
• Blink to quickly come back to the Conductive Waters after kiting a Focused Lightning.
• If you chose Ice Barrier as your Tier 2 talent, use it to reduce the damage you take from the explosion of Focused Lightning.
• If you used Temporal Shield as your Tier 2 talent, use it before a Focused Lightning hits you or use it when the channel of Lightning Storm begins. It does not consume a Global Cooldown, so that's an advantage over Ice Barrier.
• Use Greater Invisibility when Lightning Storm starts.

Heroic mode

Useful Talents

• Blazing Speed helps you to get out of trouble easily during Lightning Storm.
• You will want to have Cold Snap to be your Tier 4 talent.
• Because of the additional movement to the fight Invocation will pull ahead of the others.

Useful Glyphs

• There is no change compared to normal mode.

Tips and Tricks

P1 - Without puddles

• You will just perform your standard rotation standing somewhere around where the tank will land on Thundering Throw. Keep in mind, not to stand directly on the spot, because you will take damage and get stunned for ~5 seconds. Get in the water as soon as possible.
• If you get a ball fixated on you during this phase, try to put it near the wall, using Ice Barrier or Temporal Shield before it hits you.
• Invocate before the water spawns, to have maximum DPS uptime on the boss with the increased damage.

P2 - Standing in the puddle

• You will want to pop your cooldowns and burn the boss. After a few seconds, the boss will use Ionization. Here, you will use your Ice Block. It is mandatory to use it before Ionization being applied. If you use Ice Block too late, you will explode in the puddle, wiping the raid. Once the cast is finished, you can use the following macro IMMEDIATELY.

  #showtooltip Cold Snap

  /cancelaura Ice Block

  /cast Cold Snap

• After Ionization you just DPS the boss, occasionally kiting balls out of the pool.

• On the second puddle, your Ice Block will be ready (because you have reset by Cold Snap), just do the same thing again, as on the first puddle.
• On the third water, it will be a bit tight. Your Cold Snap will off of CD like only 5-10 seconds before the Ionization, so be ready to use it. Then, of course you will be able to Ice Block the 3rd Ionization.
• The 4th Ionization does not matter since if you don't kill the boss before it runs out, you will hit the berserk timer anyways.

P3 - Lightning storm

• Use your Ice Barrier/Temporal Shield on CD, but more importantly when you know you WILL get hit by an unavoidable ball. Try to keep your dots and debuffs on the target, but make sure to actually stay alive.
• Use Blazing Speed to get out of trouble.

Links:

• Jin'rokh the Breaker Strategy

Horridon

Useful talents:

• Ice Floes is very useful when moving from one door to the next. Blazing Speed and Presence of Mind are also viable.
• Flameglow
• Greater Invisibility
• Nether Tempest

Useful glyphs:

• Glyph of Ice Lance (Frost Mages)
• Glyph of Icy Veins (Frost Mages)
• Glyph of Inferno Blast (Fire Mages)
• Glyph of Remove Curse
• Glyph of Counterspell

Tips and Tricks:

• Nether Tempest or Frost Mages will do a lot of cleave damage with Ice Lance. Also, Frozen Orb should be used wisely, where the adds have started piling up. A problem occurs against the Drakkari Trolls (3rd door), as the Drakkari Frozen Lords spawn a similar orb. Tanks have a tendency to confuse these orbs with yours and they will often move the adds away from your Frozen orb. You can also use your Water Elemental Freeze spell to get extra Fingers of Frosts on 1st and 3rd door.
• Fire Mages should focus on spreading Combustion with Inferno Blast at the right moment (i.e., when there are at least 4 enemies around your current target).
• Use Counterspell to interrupt the Dinomancer's Dino-Mending, as the melee are usually busy interrupting the adds.
• Use Remove Curse on the Amani door to help with Hex of Confusion. Glyph of Remove Curse removes the DPS penalty of casting Remove Curse.
• Use Greater Invisibility to reduce damage taken and dispel DoTs on you.

Links:

• Horridon Strategy

Council of Elders

Useful talents:

• Flameglow
• Ring of Frost
• Cold Snap is great because it allows you one more use of Ice Block for removing Biting Cold.
• Nether Tempest.
• Incanter's Ward is viable in this fight. Simply stand in Quicksand whenever you need to consume your shield.

Useful glyphs:

• Glyph of Ice Lance (Frost Mages): to do some cleave damage on the bosses
• Glyph of Icy Veins (Frost Mages)
• Glyph of Slow (Arcane Mages): to slow down the Loa Spirits
• Glyph of Cone of Cold if you can stay in melee range of the stacked bosses.

Tips and Tricks:

• Keep Nether Tempest on as many targets as possible.
• Biting Cold can be removed with Ice Block, but not Frostbite.
• Use Flamestrike when 3 or 4 of the bosses are together.
• Use glyphed Cone of Cold on cooldown, if you can stay in melee range of the stacked up bosses.
• Frost Mages can use their Water Elemental's Freeze to freeze the Loa Spirit, followed by Deep Freeze to incapacitate them for 5 seconds, making it easy to nuke them. Use Frozen Orb on the bosses that are stacked up to have more Fingers of Frost charges,

Links:

• Council of Elders Strategy

Tortos

Useful talents:

• Blazing Speed is great for this fight, as you have to move very often.
• Temporal Shield
• Ice Barrier
• Nether Tempest
• Invocation. You will have to try to Evocate before a Quake Stomp if you have to soon. Try to position yourself on the edge of the boss room, avoiding lots of movement and turtles.

Useful glyphs:

• Glyph of Ice Lance (Frost Mages): for cleave damage
• Glyph of Icy Veins (Frost Mages)
• Glyph of Inferno Blast (Fire Mages): for cleave damage
• Glyph of Slow (Arcane Mages): to slow one focused turtle effectively.

Tips and Tricks:

• For the bats, just cast Frost Bomb.

• • Frost Mages should use Frozen Orb and spend keep attacking Tortos to consume all their stacks of Fingers of Frost. If possible, try to cast your Water Elemental's Freeze right when Frost Bomb (if you chose it as your Tier 5 talent) is about to expire. If you did not choose Frost Bomb as your talent, you can still use Freeze to generate 2 Fingers of Frost. Try to use it, before you finish Flamestrike cast on them. Cast 1-1 Frostbolt on the turtles, effectively slowing them for 15 seconds, greatly helping your raid.
  • Fire Mages should try and get Combustion up on Tortos with a good ignite as the turtles spawn. They will spawn from under Tortos, so it will be possible to spread Combustion and Ignite to a few of them.
• Use Ice Barrier or Temporal Shield before Quake Stomp.
• Make a macro to cast Temporal Shield and Incanter's Ward. They have the same cooldown and Temporal Shield is off the global cooldown.

Links:

• Tortos Strategy

Megaera

Useful talents:

• Talk to your healers to see which of your Tier 2 talents they would prefer you to take. They seem to perform roughly the same overall.
  • Temporal Shield is great for Rampage phases.
  • Ice Barrier is great for mitigation during Rampage and Acid Rain
  • Flameglow is good for an all-around damage reduction.
• Greater Invisibility is great for mitigating the damage of Rampage. Cauterize can also save your life, if your healers are slow on dispeling Cinders.
• Living Bomb

Useful glyphs:

• Glyph of Evocation is a good minor self heal.
• Glyph of Blink can be useful when you have to kite blue beams.
• Glyph of Icy Veins (Frost Mages)

Tips and Tricks:

• Use Ice Block for the final Rampage.
• Frozen Orb (Frost Mages) seems bugged on this encounter. Try using it during Rampage, when you are stacked up and drop it between the two heads. This will result in an increased amount of Fingers of Frost charges.
• Use Alter Time to effectively heal yourself during a Rampage.

Links:

• Megaera Strategy

Ji-Kun

Normal mode

Useful talents:

• Blazing Speed for Down Draft (in conjunction with Blink if you need it)
• Ice Barrier
• Greater Invisibility for surviving every other Quills
• (Arcane) Rune of Power
• Living Bomb or Nether Tempest for cleave damage on Nests.

Useful glyphs:

• Glyph of Icy Veins (Frost Mages)
• Glyph of Ice Lance (Frost Mages): for cleave on nests damage.
• Glyph of Cone of Cold: for cleave damage on nests.

Tips and Tricks:

• It is a very easy fight, as you normally do not have to jump down for the eggs. So you can just burn the boss.
• Use Blink and Blazing Speed during Down Draft.
• Use Ice Barrier to reduce the damage from Caw and Quills. You can also use it to reduce the damage you receive from soaking Feed Young pools.
• Greater Invisibility is probably best used for mitigating the damage from Quills, but it can also be used to remove the slimed debuff you can from soaking Feed Young pools.
• Use Ice Block to prevent the damage from the last Quills.
• Use Slow Fall if you are about to miss harder nests or the platform.
• Use your cooldowns, when you have Primal Nutriment buff on you.
• If you decide to go and get the wings buff, try time your flying so that you catch the damage buff AND that the boss casts down draft. When down draft starts and just before your flying buff wears off, be just few pixels above the ground so that you don't touch it. I have noticed that when you do this, down draft WON'T affect you as long as you don't move. Intended or not.
• Use Frozen Orb on the nests.

Heroic mode

Useful talents:

• Temporal Shield became as viable as Ice Barrier. It helps a lot your healers during Quills.
• There are no other changes compared to normal mode.

Useful glyphs: There is no change compared to normal mode.

Tips and tricks: The same tricks from normal mode apply to heroic mode as well.

• You will definitely have to leave the platform at least ~4 times in this encounter.
• Try to line up your movement to the main platform or to the higher platforms, when Feed Young is being casted.
• You don't necessarily have to use a feather when coming up from lower nests. Simply jumping down will result in a lower uptime on boss, but the extra Primal Nutriment buff will compensate the damage lost, especially if you line up your CDs with it. Also, you can reach every lower platform easily by jumping only, so you can save up to 4 feathers.
• Use Nether Tempest on every egg, or simply use Frost Bomb.
• Use Temporal Shield on every Quills.
• Use Blazing Speed and/or Blink to move away from Caw.
• You can use Alter Time when you are full on health before Quills to effectively heal yourself.

Links:

• Ji-Kun Strategy

Durumu the Forgotten

Useful talents:

• Blazing Speed is very useful if you fall behind during the maze phase or if you get targeted by Force of Will and Lingering Gaze.
• Greater Invisibility or Cauterize (there really is no reason to use Cold Snap).
• Incanter's Ward or Invocation.
• Living Bomb
• Temporal Shield can be used while being stunned by Life Drain, effectively healing yourself back.

Useful glyphs:

• Glyph of Arcane Explosion (Arcane Mages)
• Glyph of Icy Veins (Frost Mages)
• Glyph of Cone of Cold (Frost Mages): to get some extra DPS on maze phase if you don't have time to cast anything.

Tips and Tricks:

• Use Blink often and effectively.
• If you choose Invocation as your Tier 6 talent, make sure to evocate before the maze phase.
• Use Mirror Image on Maze phase. (It should be off of cooldown if you used it before pull.)
• If you are unlucky and get hit by a Force of Will after soaking Life Drain, you can use Blink immediately to stay on the platform. Make sure to remove Glyph of Momentum.
• (Arcane) During the maze phases, you can take the path closest to the boss and spam Arcane Explosion (extending its range with Glyph of Arcane Explosion is very useful), all the while casting Arcane Barrage on cooldown.
• (Frost) Make sure Frozen Orb is up during the two maze phases. Stay in the melee path during maze, so taht you will have time to cast Frostbolt from time to time.

Links:

• Durumu the Forgotten Strategy

Primordius

Useful talents:

• Greater Invisibility to remove Volatile Pathogen. Cauterize is also a viable choice, it can save your life if your healers cannot heal you up in time while having Volatile Pathogen.
• Nether Tempest
• Rune of Power or Invocation

Useful glyphs:

• Glyph of Icy Veins (Frost Mages)
• Glyph of Ice Lance (Frost Mages)

Tips and Tricks:

• Apply Nether Tempest on the bloods.
• Save your cooldowns for when you first get fully mutated and focus on getting mutated as soon as possible (by killing only bloods, ignoring Primordius).
• Try to stay around the middle of the room, this should guarantee minimal movement. Watch our for the Volatile Pools.
• Frost mages should try and drop their Frozen Orb on a bigger pack of bloods to get insane amount of Fingers of Frost charges.
• Remove Glyph of Momentum because the area is bugged and you will sometimes Blink backwards instead of forward with this glyph.

Links:

• Primordius Strategy

Dark Animus

Useful talents:

• Ice Barrier
• Rune of Power or Invocation
• Nether Tempest, because it will not cleave the inactive golems.
• Greater Invisibility

Useful glyphs:

• Glyph of Armors: for increased damage reduction while tanking golem.
• Glyph of Evocation: because sometimes you will find yourself having to do nothing better, ans this glyph also helps self healing while tanking a golem.
• Glyph of Icy Veins (Frost Mages)

Tips and Tricks:

• You can use Alter Time to swap back to your original position (with your original health) when swapped. Ice Barrier can also mitigate most of its damage. Finally, you can Blink to a better vantage point after being swapped.
• Use cooldowns at the start, when it is mandatory to kill one of the adds on the tank very fast. After that, save cooldowns and Time Warp for when the boss activates.
• Make sure the add that you are tanking is not hitting you from the back.
• Frost mages and Arcane mages can use Molten Armor to reduce the damage taken from tanking the add. Make sure to switch back to the more beneficial armor, after the tank taunted your add.
• Use Ice Barrier on cooldown while tanking, because you will not suffer from cast time delay while the shield holds. Later on, use Ice Barrier on Interrupting Jolt and Matter Swaps.
• Frost mages can make their pets tank with Glyph of Water Elemental for a few seconds before it dies. But make sure you will be the next on the aggro table once it dies and don't forget to resummon it.
• Use Greater Invisibility and Ice Block on Interrupting Jolt.

Links:

• Dark Animus Strategy

Iron Qon

Useful talents:

• Blazing Speed is very useful during the Windstorm.
• Greater Invisibility
• Living Bomb
• Ice Barrier for great damage mitigation.
• Incanter's Ward or Invocation.

Useful glyphs:

• Glyph of Icy Veins (Frost Mages)
• Glyph of Water Elemental (Frost Mages)
• Glyph of Blink: if you didn't choose Blazing Speed as your talent.
• Glyph of Evocation can be useful after getting out of Windstorm or if you have nothing better to do because of an unlucky Dead zone shield on the boss.

Tips and Tricks:

• Use Blink to
  • get over the fire/lightning/frost lines created by Ignite Spear;
  • stack/unstack during Ro'shak;
  • avoid Throw Spear.
  • get into a better position on Dead Zone shields.
• Use Greater Invisibility to remove the debuffs you receive when walking on the fire/lightning/frost lines.
• Use Ice Barrier on
  • the 2nd Unleashed Flame in a row;
  • before Windstorm;
  • Freeze explosions;
  • and Fist Smash.
• Use Greater Invisibility and Ice Block when your healers ask you to, during Fist Smashs.
• You can use Alter Time before Windstorm being casted, and then you can use it again to get into a safe position instantly to avoid dodging and running.

Links:

• Iron Qon Strategy

Twin Consorts

Useful talents:

• Blazing Speed is useful if you are painting, otherwise Presence of Mind.
• Living Bomb.
• Invocation or Rune of Power.

Useful glyphs:

• Glyph of Icy Veins (Frost Mages)
• Glyph of Ice Lance (Frost Mages)

Tips and Tricks:

• Blink a lot to avoid fire/comets/waves/sleepydust.
• During the Darkness Phase, you can apply your Tier 5 talent on Suen when she appears to cast Tears of the Sun, but it appears that this is not possible when she appears to cast Light of Day.

Links:

• Twin Consorts Strategy

Lei Shen

Useful talents:

• Blazing Speed will be a life saver many times.
• Greater Invisibility
• Invocation
• Living Bomb

Useful glyphs:

• Glyph of Icy Veins (Frost Mages)
• Glyph of Ice Lance (Frost Mages)
• Glyph of Water Elemental (Frost Mages)
• Glyph of Cone of Cold

Tips and Tricks:

• Use Blink to:
  • move away from Thunderstruck, Lightning whip;
  • catch Bouncing Bolt;
  • stack faster on Ball Lightning;
  • get through the Overcharge ring.
• Use Greater Invisibility and Ice Block to be able to take the damage from Static Shock alone and in the last phase in emergency situations, like Thunderstruck.
• Use Frozen Orb when Ball lightnings spawn, from second phase.
• Adds spawning in transition phases can be rooted and stunned. Frost mages can use Water Elemental's Freeze spell, followed up by a Deep Freeze to effectively CC these adds. Kiting them is also pretty easy.
• Use Blazing Speed during the whole fight to effectively reposition yourself, especially during the last phase.

Links:

• Lei Shen Strategy

Ra-Den

Useful talents

• Living Bomb.

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Useful glyphs

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Changelog

• 08 July 2013: Updated the guide to reflect the suggested Mage Bombs by Blatty.
• 25 May 2013: Updated the guide to reflect 5.3 Mage Bomb changes. Added many new tips and finished the missing bosses. Even more tips for Frost Mages by Oltier. Added tips for Ji-Kun and Iron Qon from Tpesa. Added heroic Ji-kun tips.
• 23 May 2013: Added tips for Jin-rokh heroic.
• 28 Mar. 2013: Added tips from Mit213 for most of the fights.
• 22 Mar. 2013: Advised Greater Invisibility instead of Cold Snap for the fight against Horridon. Added tips from specialk for the last six bosses (except Lei Shen).
• 15 Mar. 2013: Biting Cold can be removed with Ice Block, but not Frostbite. Thanks to Muphrid for clarifying that point.
• 15 Mar. 2013: Added tips from Justinkase for Horridon.
• 14 Mar. 2013: Added tips from specialk for the first six bosses. Added tip from matiyica on Horridon.

[specialk 3]

UPDATED: wooo! Lei Shen down last night. Still looking for some way to compare 2x 522 gear vs 2p T14 accurately.

starting HM on wednesday (jin'rohk, horridon, tortos)

This isnt a guide. more just helpful things ive noticed or done as a Mage.

I will update as we down/attempt bosses.

Currently progressing through 10N

For most fights so far I run as Frost:

Talents -PoM, Ice Barrier, RoF, Cauterize Greater Invisibility, Living Bomb Nether Tempest, Invocation.

Glyphs -Water Ele, Evocation, Ice Lance

Jin'rohk the Breaker

Useful talents: Standard build

Useful glyphs: Standard build

Tips and Tricks: This fight is pretty straight forward. Use your cd's whilst in the Conductive Water. Tank and spank.

TW On first conductive waters

Horridon

Useful talents: Frost Bomb

Useful glyphs: Ice Lance

Tips and Tricks: Both Frost Bomb talent and IL cleave glyph are amazing for cleaving the adds down. Make sure you time your Frozen Orbs for maximum effect against adds (so dont blow it straight away wait till there are a few up). Also on Gate 3(Drakkari) my raid kept moving the adds away from my frozen orb (as the Frozen Lords spawn similar looking spells) so unless your raid is super aware, just save it for later.

As Mages have quite a large counterspell cooldown; I took the job of interrupting the Dinomancer's Dino-mending when he dropped down. As generally the melee were busy with other adds (such as interupting the Venom Priests). The Dinomancer starts channeling after 5 seconds of landing. i was able to almost instantly interrupt him everytime.

TW and burn War-God Jalak after all dates are destroyed.

Council of Elders

Useful talents: Nether Tempest

Useful glyphs: Standard build

Tips and Tricks: This is a painful fight. You are on the move a fair bit. With the large amount of target swapping and having to stack FrB debuff everytime - my damage was average. Keep your bomb(s) up on 3 or all (depending on if you are running LB or NT).

The Frostbite debuff (thanks Muphrid) can not be Ice Blocked off!

Use WE Freeze to lock the Loa Spirit when It spawns from the High Priestess -> deepfreeze -> nuke the hell out of it.

TW usually straight off the bat or when your raid leader calls for it.

Tortos

Useful talents: Nether Tempest, Ice Barrier

Useful glyphs: Standard build

Tips and Tricks: There is an absolute tonne of moving in this fight... Week1 I acually went Fire for this fight, with its 'good' movement dps I beat melee in damage. Week2 I stayed Frost and did better damage T_T. Looks like Frost just straight up out performs Fire ~500 ilvl, interested to see how it scales in near BiS.

Use LB to dot up three of the Bats -> Flamestrike -> AE

Pop Ice Barrier just before Tortos uses Quake Stomp

TW usually straight off the bat or when your raid leader calls for it.

Megaera

Useful talents: Choose your tier 2 talent dependant on your healers.

Useful glyphs: Standard build

Tips and Tricks: Tried Temporal Shield, Flameglow and Ice Barrier on this fight over a good one and a half nights of attempts (I will add we ended up 4 healing this and downed it after the hp nerf. 6&7th head phases are still incredibly tough on healers.) Temporal Shield was Great for Ramage phases. Ice Barrier was great for mitigation in Ramage & also Poison Bomb's also Flameglow was good for an all round damage reduction. I found they all performed very similarly. May need to Ice Block some or all of the final rampage

Unless it has been fixed.. Frozen Orb is bugged on this encounter. more than often i would cast it forward toward the head i was attacking and it would just shoot sideways and getting wasted on nothing... so I saved it for the rampage phase and just dumped it on-top of the head so it had no chance of going anywhere else.

Use Alter Time to effectively heal yourself during a ramage.

TW - depending on your raid make up and healer cooldowns... we lusted on the second last rampage and burnt the 6th head very quickly.

Ji-Kun

Useful talents: Ice Barrier, Cold Snap Greater Invis (I was on eggs this week so i didnt get a chance to test this).

Useful glyphs: Standard build

Tips and Tricks: This fight was Incredibly simple. As a mage you dont have to jump down and do any funky egg business. you litterally just stand there and burn the boss and dont step in the green. Use blink during Down Draft so you dont fall off the edge. Use Ice Barrier to reduce Caw and Quills Damage.

On eggs duty; I used Frozen orb as much as it was up and NT'd up all the birds. and cleaved them down with icelance and keeping flamestrike on cooldown.

Although I didnt use it... Cold snap would be very useful to reset the cd on Ice Block as the fight progresses Quills starts doing alot more damage. I would suggest its almost essential to Ice Block the last quills.

TW at <30% when your whole raid is back up on the platform. burn boss.

Durumu the Forgotten

Useful talents: Standard build

Useful glyphs: Standard build

Tips and Tricks: This is a 'dont stand in the fire' fight. so use blink often and effectively. make sure you have your frozen orb up during the two 'maze' phases.

TW off the bat.

Primordius

Useful talents: Nether Tempest

Useful glyphs: Standard build

Tips and Tricks: dot up all the bloods with NT. save your cd's for the lust on the first fully mutated phase. I hung out near the middle of the room so there was minimal movement whilst the tanks were kiting him around the room (just watch out for the purple)

Dark Animus

Useful talents: Standard build

Useful glyphs: Standard build

Tips and Tricks: Using Alter Time to swap back to your original position when swapped. or blink to a better vantage point after being swapped. save cd's and lust for when the boss comes out.

Iron Qon

Useful talents: Greater Invisibility

Useful glyphs: Standard build

Tips and Tricks: Okay pretty simple; use Blink to get over the fire/lightning/frost lines created by Throw spear. Blink also to stack/unstack during fire phase and running the 'gauntlet' during the tornado phase. One can also use alter time if you watch the timers for the next tornado to skip it straight away. I took Greater Invis to remove the debuffs that walking on the fire/lightning/frost lines. TW final phase.

Twin Consorts

Useful talents: Standard build

Useful glyphs: Standard build

Tips and Tricks: Once again lots of blinking to avoid fire/comets/waves/sleepydust. You can dot the day consort when she pops out and spins (i forget the name of the ability >_>) but not when she pops out in the circle/fire aoe.

Lei Shen

Useful talents: Greater Invis,

Useful glyphs: Standard build

Tips and Tricks: combination of ice block and greater invisibility was godly for this fight... negating critical damage from various abilitys or not having to move away from others (and wasting dps). eating static shocks (which are currently bugged doing more damage then they should*). Use Blink alot to catch the falling sparks which spawn adds, and to stack/spread. Watch timers for when you are altering time. so you dont need to stack or spread then zip back into the wrong place. save frozen orb for bouncing spark phase.

TW on final phase.

Thats as far as I have progressed so far... I will try and keep this updated

Thanks for consolidating my posts Damien!

Edited March 25, 2013 by specialk

[matiyica 3]

Horridon

Useful talents: Highly recommend using LB as your bomb espcially now they got a +40% buff!

Frost Bomb is a must for me as it spreads damage to all other targets within 10 yds, nice dmg on adds.

Edited March 14, 2013 by matiyica

[Justinkase 1]

on the Horridon encounter Glyph of Remove Curse will come in handy on the 4th door- I couldn't believe that this glyph actually had a use... it usually just sits there while i stare and wonder why we even have it lol. I also find Cold snap to be very useful- you can ice block various debuffs off yourself which helps your heals- there are so many debuffs that need to be dispelled on this fight that any help is good for the heals.(i actually always use cold snap becuase of this- love getting rid of various things) I also prefer Ice Flows on this fight because the movement is actually very limited if you plan accordingly. You can use that and your procs while moving from door to door.

Edited March 15, 2013 by Justinkase

[Damien 1,514]

on the Horridon encounter Glyph of Remove Curse will come in handy on the 4th door- I couldn't believe that this glyph actually had a use... it usually just sits there while i stare and wonder why we even have it lol. I also find Cold snap to be very useful- you can ice block various debuffs off yourself which helps your heals- there are so many debuffs that need to be dispelled on this fight that any help is good for the heals.(i actually always use cold snap becuase of this- love getting rid of various things) I also prefer Ice Flows on this fight because the movement is actually very limited if you plan accordingly. You can use that and your procs while moving from door to door.

Thank you! It's been added to the guide :)

[Muphrid 2]

On Council of Elders, you can Ice Block Biting Cold, but not Frostbite.

[Damien 1,514]

On Council of Elders, you can Ice Block Biting Cold, but not Frostbite.

Thanks for clarifying :)

[Pirouline 1]

on the Horridon encounter Glyph of Remove Curse will come in handy on the 4th door- I couldn't believe that this glyph actually had a use... it usually just sits there while i stare and wonder why we even have it lol. I also find Cold snap to be very useful- you can ice block various debuffs off yourself which helps your heals- there are so many debuffs that need to be dispelled on this fight that any help is good for the heals.(i actually always use cold snap becuase of this- love getting rid of various things) I also prefer Ice Flows on this fight because the movement is actually very limited if you plan accordingly. You can use that and your procs while moving from door to door.

Use greater invisibility instead of cold snap : 1.5 CD, reduces all damages taken, all threat, and removing two damages over time effect.

Edited March 20, 2013 by Pirouline

[Vladamyr 169]

I would much prefer to use Greater Invisibility over Cold Snap in the Horridon and Ji-Kun encounters.

[benjam1997 18]

i am frost mage and i use PoM, Ice barrier, RoF, cauterise, nether tempest??? should i use nether? and invocation

[Vladamyr 169]

i am frost mage and i use PoM, Ice barrier, RoF, cauterise, nether tempest??? should i use nether? and invocation

It depends somewhat on the fight. If it's a mobile fight both Nether Tempest and Living Bomb are good (because of them both being instant casts). If it's a little more of a stationary fight then Frost Bomb is just as good with the added benefit that it surpasses the other 2 choices in AOE capability (as long as the adds are close enough for the explosion to hit them). Just look at it on a per boss encounter basis. To be optimal you will have to change the bomb type you use for each boss (however the difference isn't much so use what you like best). As to Invocation - simply yes. If you are a heroic progression mage then Incanter's Ward is better for some encounters but otherwise stick with Invocation.

[benjam1997 18]

nice one vlad, ill take that in mind, :P

[benjam1997 18]

is there any point in living bomb, noxxic.com says Nether tempest is best, followed by frost bomb, and says living bomb is the lowest DPS

[Vladamyr 169]

Straight from the IV mage guide:

"At the moment, all three talents are very well balanced and you can choose whichever you want for single-target DPS, you will obtain the same results.

For multiple-target damage, Living Bomb (although Frost Bomb will yield very close results) will be most suited for when you are fighting between 2 and 4 enemies. At higher numbers, you should prefer Frost Bomb."

I'm pretty sure this is quite accurate, I'll double check the math later this week.

[benjam1997 18]

nice one vlad, ill test them all in stormind training targets later,

Edited March 20, 2013 by benjam1997

[Vladamyr 169]

Ji-Kun

Talents:

Tier 1 - Blazing Speed for Downdraft (in conjunction with Blink if you need it)

Tier 4 - Greater Invisibility for surviving Quills (You can use it every other Quills)

[CsabeeVs 4]

Personally I think on Jin Rokh Glyphed Combustion is not really useful, especially because we found delying TW until the first water phase is more beneficial. True With Glyphed Combustion you do a bigger burst ( prepot, Pyro, ATPyro! POMPyro, AT , Comb, megapull:) , but Combustion won't actually be back for the water phase, so you loose all the big burst benefit from the 1st water phase.

If its not glyphed, you still get a good moderate "Pull burst" and combustion will be back for about 12-15 seconds together with TW in the first water phase before the lighting phase comes in.

:)

[benjam1997 18]

well, yesterday i killed Jin Rohk, 1shotted horridon and got close to killing the counciul , and i usePoM, ice barrior, RoF cauterise and nether tempest, on jin rohk i did 215k dps and on the other i got 130k, 496 ilvl

[benjam1997 18]

Hey Damien, how come for the council you reccomend arcane mage to use ice lan ce glyph for slowiung, it does now slow you enemy and as arcane why would you use it, i am frost but i used to arcane, hope this helps.

[Vladamyr 169]

Hey Damien, how come for the council you reccomend arcane mage to use ice lan ce glyph for slowiung, it does now slow you enemy and as arcane why would you use it, i am frost but i used to arcane, hope this helps.

It should have been glyph of slow. Corrected now.

[benjam1997 18]

that makes much more sence, :P

[Damien 1,514]

Thank you guys, I should have added everything. Please let me know if I missed anything ;)

[Krazyito 521]

When reading some of this, wouldnt using alter time after being swapped be a bad thing? Because that means the person you swapped with will be right where you alter time back to. Which means his add will run to him, and then get a buff for being near each other.

[specialk 3]

When reading some of this, wouldnt using alter time after being swapped be a bad thing? Because that means the person you swapped with will be right where you alter time back to. Which means his add will run to him, and then get a buff for being near each other.

Sorry, I probably wasnt quite clear enough. save all your cooldowns for when the boss comes out. you should not be blowing any cooldowns during the spark/add phase (there is no swapping during this phase anyway)

[benjam1997 18]

it is adviced NOT to use Frost Orb (if you are frost specced) on the dracari door on horridon as the tanks always move away as they think that is the enemies orb so its a waste of procs