Throne of Thunder Retribution Paladin Style

[Damien 1,514]

This thread is meant to collect useful pieces of information for Retribution Paladins attempting bosses in the Throne of Thunder. We will add some contributions ourselves and hope that the rest will come from comments in this thread

Table of Contents

• Jin'rokh the Breaker
• Horridon
• Council of Elders
• Tortos
• Megaera
• Ji-Kun
• Durumu the Forgotten
• Primordius
• Dark Animus
• Iron Qon
• Twin Consorts
• Lei Shen

Jin'rokh the Breaker

Useful talents:

• Selfless Healer for instant-cast Flash of Light; Eternal Flame works as well
• Clemency provides a solid aid in case of emergency; Hand of Purity can be helpful on whoever is kiting the Focused Lightning orb; Unbreakable Spirit can be useful for using Divine Shield more than once.
• Sanctified Wrath for spamming Hammer of Wrath; Holy Avenger is good as well
• Execution Sentence, since the fight is single-target

Useful glyphs:

• Glyph of Templar's Verdict is great for any single-target fight.
• Glyph of Harsh Words can be useful if you have to kite the Focused Lightning orb away; it will enable you to keep doing some damage.
• Either Glyph of Avenging Wrath for self healing when using Avenging Wrath to help your healers out, or if you feel you have enough dps to kill the boss but your healers are struggling during Lightning Storm you can use Glyph of the Battle Healer to help a little bit during that time. Note: Using this glyph is a significant DPS loss. Make sure to switch back to Truth after the Lightning Storm is done.

Tips and Tricks:

• You can use Divine Shield during Lightning Storm to prevent damage and continue DPSing (Unbreakable Spirit lets you get the first and third Lightning Storms).
• Since you have little to do in this fight, call out who has Focused Lightning for your raid.
• Use Devotion Aura for Lightning Storm
• Always be at maximum melee range from the boss, this way an expanding pool will reach you faster.
• Save your cooldowns for the first pool.
• (Heroic) You can use Divine Shield before Ionization goes out to avoid the debuff and stay in the Conductive Waters.

Links:

• Jin'rokh the Breaker Strategy

Horridon

Useful talents:

• Long Arm of the Law makes avoiding stuff easier.
• Fist of Justice
• Selfless Healer helps out in situations where everyone is moving between doors and healers aren't ready to heal.
• Clemency can help the tanks, especially if there are no Paladin tanks. Hand of Protection removes the Triple Puncture so the tanks can manage swapping between doors a little better. If you have a Holy/Protection Paladin it's even more helpful.
• Light's Hammer is very useful to take down the adds. The healing component is helpful as well.

Useful glyphs:

• If you feel you aren't making good use of Glyph of Double Jeopardy you can switch to Glyph of Blinding Light in order to stun the adds on the third door.
• Glyph of Divine Storm is good because you'll be using it a lot to AoE.
• Glyph of Templar's Verdict is basically a mandatory glyph in every fight, and there's nothing better anyway
• Glyph of Mass Exorcism is pretty useful in this fight, there are several AoE situations and you'll be in melee range with them all once the tank rounds up the adds.

Tips and Tricks:

• Use Fist of Justice as there are no adds that need to be slowed and many of the adds on the third and fourth doors can be stunned.
• The best time to use Devotion Aura is when Venom Bolt Volley have gone out and before a Mistweaver Monk uses Revival to dispel it.
• During the second and third doors, make good use of your Cleanse and Hand of Sacrifice. Now that Clease has a cooldown and not every healer has the ability to dispel disease/poison, it's a very valuable utility for you to provide.
• Use Hand of Protection on the tanks to remove their stacks of Triple Puncture when Horridon charges a door.

Links:

• Horridon Strategy

Council of Elders

Useful talents:

• Clemency

Useful glyphs:

• Do not use Glyph of Divine Protection.

Tips and Tricks:

• Interrupt as many casts of Sand Bolt and Wrath of the Loa as you can.
• Use Hand of Salvation and Hand of Protection on healers when the Living Sand adds spawn (thanks to Clemency, you can use them twice each).
• When Kazra'jin empowers, wait for him to start channeling Overload before attacking him. No need to run around after him.
• Cast Hand of Freedom on ranged players who got rooted in Quicksand.

Links:

• Council of Elders Strategy

Tortos

Useful talents:

• Sacred Shield (Normal Mode)
• Selfless Healer (Heroic Mode)

Useful glyphs:

• Do not use Glyph of Divine Protection.

Tips and Tricks:

• Hand of Protection + Hand of Salvation on healers when the bats spawn.
• Use Devotion Aura shortly after Rockfall.
• AoE down the bats while attacking the boss if possible.
• Try to line up your cooldowns for when Tortos has Shell Concussion.
• In Heroic Mode, Selfless Healer makes this fight a joke. If your Crystal Shell ever gets broken and you are low health during a Rockfall, you can quickly instant Flash of Light yourself, pop a healthstone, and get the shield again and always stay safe. Selfless Healer should always be procced when you are in trouble. You also have Divine Shield and Lay on Hands as backups (use Divine Shield without a Crystal Shield, wait to get topped off, get a new Crystal Shield, or use Lay on Hands and then get a new shield). You should never die on this fight.

Links:

Tortos Strategy

Megaera

Useful talents:

• Sacred Shield
• Hand of Purity

Useful glyphs: share your thoughts!

Tips and Tricks:

• Use Hand of Purity on tanks or on yourself when you have Cinders.
• Use Hand of Sacrifice on tanks during Breath attacks.
• Keep building Holy Power on a Head after it is at 0%.
• Refresh Sacred Shield before each Rampage.
• Use Devotion Aura for every other Rampage.

Links:

• Megaera Strategy

Ji-Kun

Useful talents:

• Speed of Light
• Selfless Healer will allow you to help out if you are on nest duty. Sacred Shield can work as well and you can refresh it while you fly.
• Holy Avenger or Sanctified Wrath can line up nicely if you gain the buff from catching Feed Young.
• If your healers have issues keeping up during Quills, you may want to take Light's Hammer as your Tier 6 talent. It can really aid as a raid stacking heal and still put out decent damage.

Useful glyphs:

• Glyph of Divine Protection can help mitigate the damage from Quills. Do not take it, however, if you are soaking up Feed Young pools.

Tips and Tricks:

• Use Speed of Light during Down Draft.
• Remember to use Selfless Healer on yourself or low health raid members during Quills. Your raid will love you for that.
• Hand of Protection can be useful to negate the damage from Quills or Caw.
• Use Divine Protection during Quills.
• Hand of Purity can help the tank to deal with Infected Talons.
• If you are using Divine Protection to clear slime pools, check to make sure that the boss is not about to use Quills. You don't want your healers to have to heal through Quills and Slimed damage simultaneously.

Links:

• Ji-Kun Strategy

Durumu the Forgotten

Useful talents:

• Sacred Shield

Useful glyphs: share your thoughts!

Tips and Tricks:

• Use Devotion Aura during the light cone phase, to help healers recover.
• When you have a beam on you, stay close to boss to turn it faster.
• Use Hand of Protection on the tanks to remove their stacks of Serious Wound.
• Refresh Sacred Shield before a maze phase.
• It may be possible to use Divine Shield for Life Drain. Needs testing.

Links:

• Durumu the Forgotten Strategy

Primordius

Useful talents:

• Selfless Healer transforms Flash of Light into a miniature Lay on Hands, which can be useful on this fight.
• Hand of Purity

Useful glyphs:

• Do not use Glyph of Divine Protection.

Tips and Tricks:

• Save your cooldowns for when you are fully mutated (you can safely pre-pot).
• Either AoE low hp bloods behind boss for quick buff rebuilding but this can be dangerous if people are stacked there (Acidic Spines).
• Use Hand of Purity on Volatile Pathogen.

Links:

• Primordius Strategy

Dark Animus

Useful talents: share your thoughts!

Useful glyphs: share your thoughts!

Tips and Tricks:

• If you can be sneaky, bring your Anima Golem to 5% fast and kill it near a Massive Anima Golem. Only do it if it is safe. Then, you are free to move around or taunt Anima Golems off other players, if they are low on health.
• Help tanks with Anima Ring by consuming a sphere.
• Use Devotion Aura on Interrupting Jolt.

Links:

• Dark Animus Strategy

Iron Qon

Useful talents:

• Speed of Light

Useful glyphs:

• Do not use Glyph of Divine Protection.

Tips and Tricks:

• Use Devotion Aura during Phase One, when healers are stressed.
• Use Divine Shield and Speed of Light to deal with Windstorm.
• Try not to refresh lightning DoT on raid members.
• You cannot jump over the damaging lines, so try to attack across them.

Links:

• Iron Qon Strategy

Twin Consorts

Useful talents:Useful talents:

• Long Arm of the Law
• Sacred Shield

Useful glyphs:

• Do not use Glyph of Divine Protection.

Tips and Tricks:

• Use Devotion Aura on Tidal Force.

Links:

• Twin Consorts Strategy

Lei Shen

Useful talents:

• Speed of Light
• Sacred Shield
• Hand of Purity

Useful glyphs:

• Do not use Glyph of Divine Protection.

Tips and Tricks:

• It is better to get stunned for 3 seconds than to run out of melee range for Overcharged.
• Use Divine Shield to solo-soak Static Shock.
• Use Hand of Purity and Hand of Sacrifice when other people are targeted by Static Shock.
• Use Devotion Aura on Static Shock.
• Keep an eye on the current conduit's Energy, so you know when to move.

Links:

• Lei Shen Strategy

Changelog

• 28 Mar. 2013: Added Chronos' tips for all the fights. Added Vladamyr's and Gravery's tips for Ji-Kun.
• 24 Mar. 2013: Added Gravery's tips for Ji-Kun, Nordiah's tips for Jin'rokh and Horridon, and Furiyers' tips for Horridon.
• 23 Mar. 2013: Added Vladamyr's tips for Ji-Kun, Nordiah's tips for Jin'rokh and Horridon, and Furiyers' tips for Horridon.
• 15 Mar. 2013: Added Kaienshiba's tips for the choice of talents and glyphs on Jin'rokh.

[Kaienshiba 1]

For Jin'rohk the Breaker

Talents:

Tier 1:your own personal choice.

Tier 2:Doesn't matter.

Tier 3: I personally like selfless healer since you can have a instant cast Flash of Light but eternal flame could help as well

Tier 4: Clemency provides a solid aid for emergency Support use.Hand of Purity can also be a choice for minor help for yourself.

Tier 5: I personlly like Sanctified Wrath since it basiclly allows you to spam Hammer of Wrath which is a huge buff and increases holy power. But Holy Avenager is a close 2nd.

Tier6: Execution Sentence all the way since this a single target fight.

Glyphs:

1.Templar's Verdict: Great for since its single target that give you a debuff and work with exorcism to give that 10% reduce damage buff.

2.Harsh Word: For you are kitting the orb away, its great for long range attack so your damage is not reduce

3.Either Avenging Wrath for self healing when using AW or Battle healer if your healers run out of mana or they are down and about to kill the boss. Doesn't really matter for this one.

I hope this give some insight

[Damien 1,514]

For Jin'rohk the Breaker

Talents:

Tier 1:your own personal choice.

Tier 2:Doesn't matter.

Tier 3: I personally like selfless healer since you can have a instant cast Flash of Light but eternal flame could help as well

Tier 4: Clemency provides a solid aid for emergency Support use.Hand of Purity can also be a choice for minor help for yourself.

Tier 5: I personlly like Sanctified Wrath since it basiclly allows you to spam Hammer of Wrath which is a huge buff and increases holy power. But Holy Avenager is a close 2nd.

Tier6: Execution Sentence all the way since this a single target fight.

Glyphs:

1.Templar's Verdict: Great for since its single target that give you a debuff and work with exorcism to give that 10% reduce damage buff.

2.Harsh Word: For you are kitting the orb away, its great for long range attack so your damage is not reduce

3.Either Avenging Wrath for self healing when using AW or Battle healer if your healers run out of mana or they are down and about to kill the boss. Doesn't really matter for this one.

I hope this give some insight

Thanks! Keep them coming :)

[Vladamyr 169]

Ji-Kun

Talents:

Tier 1 talent - Speed of Light or Long Arm of the Law. Both will allow you to stay on the platform during a downdraft.

Tier 3 talent - Selfless Healer will allow you to help out if you are on nest duty.

Tier 5 talent - Holy Avenger or Sanctified Wrath can line up nicely if you gain the buff from catching feed young.

Glyphs:

Divine Protection if you need help with damage from Quills. Don't take this however if you are soaking up slime void zones.

Tips:

Remember to use selfless healer on yourself or lowest health members during Quills. Your raid will love you keeping a member alive.

[Nordiah 2]

Jinrokh:

- You can bubble before Ionization goes out to avoid the debuff and stay in the water to increase damage. (You can get the first and third with Unbreakable Spirit)

- Conversely, you can bubble during the lightning storm and dps during it (Unbreakable Spirit let's you get the first and third).

Horridon:

- If you feel you aren't making good use of Glyph of Double Jeopardy you can switch to Glyph of Blinding Light in order to stun the adds on the third door.

- Use Fist of Justice as there are no adds that need to be slowed and many of the adds on the third and fourth doors can be stunned.

- The best time to use Devotion Aura is when Poison Bolt Volleys have gone out and before your healer monk uses Revival to dispel it.

- Near the end of the fight, if you get the Direhorn Spirit, it can be knocked back by your glyphed Exorcism if the Direhorn Spirit is positioned properly next to the boss. This is very hard to do.

Tortos:

- Selfless healer makes this fight a joke. If your shield ever gets broken and you are low health during a Rockfall you can quickly instant FoL yourself, pop a healthstone then get the shield again and always stay safe. Selfless healer should always be procced when you are in trouble. You also have bubble and LoH as backups. (Bubble without a shield, wait to get topped off, get a shield again or LoH then get a shield) You should never die on this fight.

[Furiyers 10]

Horridon:

- Long Arm of the Law makes getting around/getting out of bad things simple

- Fist of Justice for short CD stuns (there is at least 1 add type per door that can be stunned, if not more)

- Selfless Healer to help out in situations where everyone is moving between doors and healers aren't planted

- Clemency to help the tanks, especially if there are no paladin tanks. Hand of Protection removes the puncture debuff so the tanks can manage swapping between doors a little better. If you have a holy/prot paladin it's even more helpful.

-Light's Hammer because there are several AoE situations and it will do more damage overall, the healing is helpful as well

Glyph of Divine Storm is good because you'll be using it a lot to AoE

Glyph of Templar's Verdict is basically a mandatory glyph in every fight, and there's nothing better anyway

Glyph of Mass Exorcism is pretty useful in this fight, there are several AoE situations and you'll be in melee range with them all once the tank rounds up the adds

During the 2nd and 3rd doors make good use of your cleanse. Now that cleanse has a CD and not every healer has the ability to dispel disease/poison it's a very valuable utility for you to provide. You should be in charge of cleansing yourself, and if cleanse isn't on CD and you don't have a debuff, cleanse someone else so your healers don't have to.

[Damien 1,514]

Ji-Kun

Talents:

Tier 1 talent - Speed of Light or Long Arm of the Law. Both will allow you to stay on the platform during a downdraft.

Tier 3 talent - Selfless Healer will allow you to help out if you are on nest duty.

Tier 5 talent - Holy Avenger or Sanctified Wrath can line up nicely if you gain the buff from catching feed young.

Glyphs:

Divine Protection if you need help with damage from Quills. Don't take this however if you are soaking up slime void zones.

Tips:

Remember to use selfless healer on yourself or lowest health members during Quills. Your raid will love you keeping a member alive.

Thanks! Added ;)

Jinrokh:

- You can bubble before Ionization goes out to avoid the debuff and stay in the water to increase damage. (You can get the first and third with Unbreakable Spirit)

- Conversely, you can bubble during the lightning storm and dps during it (Unbreakable Spirit let's you get the first and third).

Horridon:

- If you feel you aren't making good use of Glyph of Double Jeopardy you can switch to Glyph of Blinding Light in order to stun the adds on the third door.

- Use Fist of Justice as there are no adds that need to be slowed and many of the adds on the third and fourth doors can be stunned.

- The best time to use Devotion Aura is when Poison Bolt Volleys have gone out and before your healer monk uses Revival to dispel it.

- Near the end of the fight, if you get the Direhorn Spirit, it can be knocked back by your glyphed Exorcism if the Direhorn Spirit is positioned properly next to the boss. This is very hard to do.

Tortos:

- Selfless healer makes this fight a joke. If your shield ever gets broken and you are low health during a Rockfall you can quickly instant FoL yourself, pop a healthstone then get the shield again and always stay safe. Selfless healer should always be procced when you are in trouble. You also have bubble and LoH as backups. (Bubble without a shield, wait to get topped off, get a shield again or LoH then get a shield) You should never die on this fight.

Thanks, I added most of what you said, but I don't understand the Selfless Healer comment on Tortos and the "glyphed Exorcism" comment on Horridon.

Horridon:

- Long Arm of the Law makes getting around/getting out of bad things simple

- Fist of Justice for short CD stuns (there is at least 1 add type per door that can be stunned, if not more)

- Selfless Healer to help out in situations where everyone is moving between doors and healers aren't planted

- Clemency to help the tanks, especially if there are no paladin tanks. Hand of Protection removes the puncture debuff so the tanks can manage swapping between doors a little better. If you have a holy/prot paladin it's even more helpful.

-Light's Hammer because there are several AoE situations and it will do more damage overall, the healing is helpful as well

Glyph of Divine Storm is good because you'll be using it a lot to AoE

Glyph of Templar's Verdict is basically a mandatory glyph in every fight, and there's nothing better anyway

Glyph of Mass Exorcism is pretty useful in this fight, there are several AoE situations and you'll be in melee range with them all once the tank rounds up the adds

During the 2nd and 3rd doors make good use of your cleanse. Now that cleanse has a CD and not every healer has the ability to dispel disease/poison it's a very valuable utility for you to provide. You should be in charge of cleansing yourself, and if cleanse isn't on CD and you don't have a debuff, cleanse someone else so your healers don't have to.

Thank you, I added your tips to the main post :)

[Krazyito 521]

Thanks, I added most of what you said, but I don't understand the Selfless Healer comment on Tortos and the "glyphed Exorcism" comment on Horridon.

I think he is talking about the heroic version of both fights. Or did you realize that already?

[Damien 1,514]

I think he is talking about the heroic version of both fights. Or did you realize that already?

I got that, but I don't get what is the shield being mentioned. Also, there's no Glyph of Exorcism. I mean, I'm no Paladin specialist, so I'm trying to understand everything I add to the opening topic.

[Krazyito 521]

I tired looking up the glyph. I could only find Glyph of Mass Exorcism. So maybe its just to do extra damage to adds while the dire horn is out? Thats just a guess....

For the shield on tortos, thats part of the heroic mechanic where when you attack the crystal you get a shield and any healing done to you just increases the potency of the shield

[Gravery 1]

Hand of Protection can be useful on Ji-Kun, as it negates the damage from both Quills and Caw. Hand of Purity should work to help the tank deal with Infected Talons.

[MadMonk 154]

Hand of Protection can be useful on Ji-Kun, as it negates the damage from both Quills and Caw. Hand of Purity should work to help the tank deal with Infected Talons.

Added your tips, thank you very much!

[Furiyers 10]

I have to dispute the tip under Jin'rokh about glyph of battle healer being good for that fight as it requires switching to seal of insight which is a massive DPS loss. The healing it provides is good, sure, but if you can't survive with seal of truth you're either standing in things you shouldn't be or your healers are doing something wrong.

[Krazyito 521]

I have to dispute the tip under Jin'rokh about glyph of battle healer being good for that fight as it requires switching to seal of insight which is a massive DPS loss. The healing it provides is good, sure, but if you can't survive with seal of truth you're either standing in things you shouldn't be or your healers are doing something wrong.

I added that it is a DPS loss to use it, but if the paladin feels taht the healers need some help during Lighting Storm he can elect to use it at the cost of his DPS.

[Chronos 5]

Jin`Rok tips: since you have little to do in this fight, call out who has focused lightning for your raid. Devo aura lightning storms. Be max melee range of boss so a expanding pool will reach you faster. Save cds for first pool. On heroic, divine shield before application of timed debuff.

Horridon: interrupts. Cleanse/hand of sacrifice if you have free gcds to remove poisons/diseases. BOP tanks to remove their stacks when he charges a gate.

Council: interrupt. Clemency salv/bop healers when sand adds spawn. Fist of justice for loas. Aoe dps bosses when close together, when kazra overpowers dont waste time running all over just wait til he stands still then switch to him. Unglyphed dp. Clemency for freedoms on rooted ranged. Watch malakk stacks on tanks so you know when he will be moving(when hes empowered).

Tortos: Unglyphed dp/sacred shield. Start fight at far side of boss and strafe to otherside after rockfall (less dmg on you). Bop salc healers when bats are out. Devo aura shortly after rockfall. Aoe bats while attacking boss if possible. Look for shell debuff on possible for dmg cds line up. Remember boss takes extra damage right after he reahes 100 fury.

Megaera: hand of purity for tanks or self if you have cinders. Hand of sac tanks during breaths. Build holy power on head even after its 0%. Refresh sacred shield before each rampage. Devo aura every other rampage. Be meleeing heads during rampage.

Ji-kun: refresh feather on third low platform. Use feather to catxh nutriment (press at 25% off her cast to have the timing right). Dont wait foe nutriment to go down after upper nests. Refresh sacred shield when flying. Be as close to boss when on her platform so pushback doesnt push you out of melee range. Focus boss so you can dp quills/see feed young cast.

Durumu: devo aura during light cones to help healers recover. When you have beams stay close to boss to turn it faster. Bop tanks to remove stacks. Unglyph dp. Refresh ss before beam dodge. Stand max melee range for dropping pools, find your own area so force doesnt hit multiple people. help soak lifedrain. Ds lifedrain if able? Not tested.

Primordius: call out two pools that belong to you at start of fight. Save cds foe fully mutated. Safe to prepot. Stay on outer side of boss with respect to middle. Either aoe low hp blobs behind boss for quick buff rebuilding but can be dangerous if people are stacked there (spines). Purity for the heavy hitting dot. Unglyphed dp. I would rock flash of light improved talent foe mini loh.

Dark Animus: if you can be sneaky, bring yours real low to 5% fast and kill it near massive. I blow everything on my golem and kill iy quick - but ONLY if you can do it safely. So you are free to move around or taunt golems off others that are low to finish them off near massive. Help free tanks, eat a whole half circle to make it easy for them. Devo aura interrupting jolt.

Iron qon: unglyphed dp. Devo aura in p1 when healers are stressed. Divine shield to run thru tornadoes. Speed of light talent. Try not to refresf lightning dot on raid members. Cant jump lines try to attack across them.

Twin consorts: unglyphed dp/ss. Speed on judge talent. Devo aura waves.

Lei shen: unglyphed dp/ss/speed of light. Better to eat 3s stun than run out of melee for overharged. Divine shiels solo soak static shock. Be smart with sac/purity when stacking for static shock. Watch conduit energy so youre ready to move. Devo aura static shock.

[Damien 1,514]

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Thanks! I added everything except the part that reads

I would rock flash of light improved talent foe mini loh.

I didn't get it :(

[Gravery 1]

If you're using Divine Protection to clear slime pools, check to make sure the boss isn't about to use quills. You don't want your healers to have to heal through quills and pool damage simultaneously.

[Vladamyr 169]

If your healers are having issues keeping up during Quills phase, you may want to take Light's Hammer as your Tier 6 talent. It can really aid as a raid stacking heal and still put out decent damage.

[Chronos 5]

Thanks! I added everything except the part that reads

I didn't get it :(

Sorry! Phone typing. For miniature lay on hands.

Spell IDs for Lei Shen tips are incorrect.

[Damien 1,514]

If you're using Divine Protection to clear slime pools, check to make sure the boss isn't about to use quills. You don't want your healers to have to heal through quills and pool damage simultaneously.

Sorry! Phone typing. For miniature lay on hands.

Spell IDs for Lei Shen tips are incorrect.

If your healers are having issues keeping up during Quills phase, you may want to take Light's Hammer as your Tier 6 talent. It can really aid as a raid stacking heal and still put out decent damage.

Thank you guys! All added ;)

[Furiyers 10]

Iron Qon Tip:

Take clemency and use hand of protection on the tank to remove impale (around 4-5 stacks). This allows solo-tanking the boss and gives your group more overall DPS.

[deveh 0]

Normal/Heroic Council of Elders

Use Hand of Purity to reduce the damage of Frostbite and Biting Cold

[ivnaugusto 0]

Does Repentance works on Dark Animus' Anima Golens (The little ones)?

[Yukiechan 0]

I didnt understand the Hand of purity on Lei shen, does the static shock count as a periodic effect and is reduced by 70% dmg? or is it just for the 10% decrease it does either way?

[phildar 0]

Build Holy Power on the Humming Crystals on Tortos HC before the fight