Fyz 1 Report post Posted May 22, 2013 (edited) What I'm curious about is whether all top 522 pieces together constitute a 522 BiS given fluctuating stat weights. Are these listed alphabetically because they're considered functionally equivalent? Edited May 22, 2013 by Fyz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladamyr 169 Report post Posted May 22, 2013 For each class under Gearing Up and Best in Slot is: Section 1 Best in Slot Items - That list is the BIS List. Section 2 Gearing Up - is merely a per slot listing of every item ordered first by ilvl then by alphabetical listing. In no way, shape or form is that list applicable to BIS. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solacespecs 14 Report post Posted May 22, 2013 Can we get a non-heroic BiS list? Or a list that doesn't include Ra-den? I feel like Ra-den kills are in the minority, yet there are 5 Ra-den items listed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oltier 471 Report post Posted May 22, 2013 Can we get a non-heroic BiS list? Or a list that doesn't include Ra-den? I feel like Ra-den kills are in the minority, yet there are 5 Ra-den items listed. On AskMrRobot, you have a setting for normal only BiS. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solacespecs 14 Report post Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) My only issue is that for AMR you have to really have an awareness of what you're looking at. For example, when I import from armory, and select optimize, it tells me to: 1) Reforge TO hit, about 300 stat worth (I am hit capped at 15.02%) 2) Gem pure intellect, rather than reckless vermillion gems. 3) Gem +hit, again even though I'm hit capped. 4) Reforge away from haste, even though it shows that the priority is haste over anything else. It's really bizarre overall and makes me wary to use the site. Regardless, Icy Veins is a great resource (it has replaced EJ as the go to site) and shouldn't resort to forwarding to AMR or another website for this information. I should also mention that I feel the suggested DPS (I think that's what is being listed on the top right) is inflated and is beyond what I should actually be doing. Edit: I accidentally a word. Edited May 23, 2013 by solacespecs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vladamyr 169 Report post Posted May 23, 2013 If you have this problem still solacespecs could you post a link to your amr character so we could troubleshoot it a bit. I've never had a problem with AMR (other than if I mess up the settings). As far as multiple BiS lists, it's really too much effort to keep up with multiple lists for every class with as fast as things change. There are just so many options such as: World Bosses, BOE gear, Thunderforged, etc... Not all the specs have even been updated for the 5.3 changes. I will try to run some sims, I see that AMR has Int at greater than 2:1 ratio over haste, so I will try to verify that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oltier 471 Report post Posted May 23, 2013 Well, in Simcraft I get like 1k better results with int gems, than pure haste. However, on non-stationary fights this extra haste really helps you to cast one more Frostbolt faster, than with int gems.. ^^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solacespecs 14 Report post Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) Well, in Simcraft I get like 1k better results with int gems, than pure haste. However, on non-stationary fights this extra haste really helps you to cast one more Frostbolt faster, than with int gems.. ^^ Not to be picky but I'm pretty sure haste would always help you cast more Frostbolts, regardless if the fight is stationary or not. In terms of gems, I think the understanding was that there is never a case where int is twice the value of haste, so it's pretty odd that pure intellect is being suggested. I'm sure there is some napkin math that can be referenced. It would be good though to resolve the dilemma so that the guide can be updated. As far as multiple BiS lists, it's really too much effort to keep up with multiple lists for every class with as fast as things change. There are just so many options such as: World Bosses, BOE gear, Thunderforged, etc... Not all the specs have even been updated for the 5.3 changes. I totally understand the difficulty in multiple lists and etc. However, I think it's valid to suggest a list that doesn't include Ra-den. You have to consider the efficiency of Icy Veins as a whole. If it is intended to be a useful tool (again, I describe it as the new EJ for theorycrafting), then it needs to not apply to 1% of the WoW population. Most people have not even seen Ra-den, much less killed him. I'd be curious to know even who has killed heroic Lei-Shen. Also I'll link when I get home from work, but you can check it as Bellyrub on Laughing Skull. Edited May 23, 2013 by solacespecs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
