Beast Mastery Hunter 7.3

[Wigett 0]

Blah, just play what u feel more comfortable with, the guide is, just that..  a GUIDE, not a hard/fast rule.  personally, if folks do the fight right, idk if they pull 10x the numbers, a dead hunter is a bad hunter.  i would rather enjoy the spec. and if a guide can help u maybe get a little more dps from a spec u like. great.   this guide is NOT all knowing.  somethings im doing different, and i get great numbers, vs following this like the "Bible".  its not.  u have to take several sources, do your own sims(take with grain of salt). and use real life logs..  some classes may be more . .cookie cutter.  but others , well. .u also have. .Player ability..  some are just better.. me, im an old guy, so a more mobile class allows me to stay out of bad and handle other fight machanics better. . just my .02

[Valks 2,375]

5 hours ago, Wigett said:

this guide is NOT all knowing. 

True, but a comment blanket stating that the guide is completely wrong with nothing to back it up was made and that's what we were responding to. It's great to play what you want, but it's not great to try and force a false statement into truth (BM being better than MM in logs - the statement he made) with context or information on the topic.

[Guest Sumpyn]

I really appreciate the sims on the legendaries, but could I request that you sim them at levels that we are likely to see without warforging or titanforging?  Like, BTI at 880, Engine of Eradication at 900, Cradle of Anguish at 915?

[Valks 2,375]

On 8/2/2017 at 11:16 PM, Guest Sumpyn said:

I really appreciate the sims on the legendaries, but could I request that you sim them at levels that we are likely to see without warforging or titanforging?  Like, BTI at 880, Engine of Eradication at 900, Cradle of Anguish at 915?

At that point, for personal comparison, you'll be better off using https://www.raidbots.com/simbot, honestly. To have every item level in a mass sim for Azor would require so long to compute and compile.

[Guest Straegen]

Hi all been a while since i posted here, anyways been busy doing sims and a lot of ingame testing of various legendery set ups, so thought id share my findings,

on fights with the chance to proc sephuz 'sephuz boots and aspect talented with 'stomp build is best'

on fights without chance to proc sephuz 'apex predators claw and boots talented with aspect is best' with stomp build

helter skelter mode favours sephuz and hectic add cleave favors apex predators claw instead'

may be worth simming those if you have them to see what results you can get.

:)

[Guest Nex_xai]

When you mention to pick dire frenzy over stomp if you have extraordinarily high mastery,

how much exactly is that? 

[Luthixx 138]

6 hours ago, Guest Nex_xai said:

When you mention to pick dire frenzy over stomp if you have extraordinarily high mastery,

how much exactly is that? 

It depends on what sims higher. Use raidbots.com Talent Compare section to have a look. There's no particular number but DF may be better if you don't have good T19 pieces or you have quite low crit.

[Guest Nex_xai]

On 12/08/2017 at 9:33 PM, Luthixx said:

It depends on what sims higher. Use raidbots.com Talent Compare section to have a look. There's no particular number but DF may be better if you don't have good T19 pieces or you have quite low crit.

Currently I have 60% mastery and around 35% crit, which should I prioritize? 

RaidBots says I should go for Crit, and the talents suggested here on icy veins 

compared to what I'm using now shows a 4% loss in dps.

[Luthixx 138]

19 hours ago, Guest Nex_xai said:

Currently I have 60% mastery and around 35% crit, which should I prioritize? 

RaidBots says I should go for Crit, and the talents suggested here on icy veins 

compared to what I'm using now shows a 4% loss in dps.

Definitely go Aspect then, that's a massive dps difference. 

Although if you're running stomp at all you don't want Bestial Fury, you'd want One With the Pack - maybe resim yourself with Killer Cobra and One With the Pack as well.

[Guest Nex_xai]

5 hours ago, Luthixx said:

Definitely go Aspect then, that's a massive dps difference. 

Although if you're running stomp at all you don't want Bestial Fury, you'd want One With the Pack - maybe resim yourself with Killer Cobra and One With the Pack as well.

I should just prioritize crit as it is now then, right? 

Still slightly behind from what I'm currently using, I appreciate all the help and hints so far, ty very much.

 

[Valks 2,375]

On 8/22/2017 at 7:35 PM, Guest Nex_xai said:

I should just prioritize crit as it is now then, right? 

Yeah - not sure if anything will cause a change in 7.3 in a week, but doubtful.

[Luthixx 138]

8 hours ago, Blainie said:

Yeah - not sure if anything will cause a change in 7.3 in a week, but doubtful.

Only change to BM is a slight aura buff, that's it. Still prioritise crit.

[Valks 2,375]

We are currently in the process of updating all guides as required for the 7.3 release. Please be patient as we make the necessary changes. You can keep an eye on the changelog to know if the guide has been updated or not. 

[Valks 2,375]

This guide has now been updated for the 7.3 patch. If you have any questions or comments, you can always ask them here. If you find any errors in the new changes to the guide, let me know and I'll get the writers to update it ASAP.

Good luck in the Shadows of Argus!

[datgrl 3]

What do you consider to be 'low Mastery'?    Anything below 50%?  70%?  It would be helpful to know, since there is this qualifier in the recommendations and there isn't a cap.  Thanks in advance.

• Level 100:  Killer Cobra for most situations.  Aspect of the Beast can be better with low Mastery, or no  Jaws of Thunder/ Pack Leader relics.

[Luthixx 138]

21 hours ago, datgrl said:

What do you consider to be 'low Mastery'?    Anything below 50%?  70%?  It would be helpful to know, since there is this qualifier in the recommendations and there isn't a cap.  Thanks in advance.

• Level 100:  Killer Cobra for most situations.  Aspect of the Beast can be better with low Mastery, or no  Jaws of Thunder/ Pack Leader relics.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/talents

Use this to simulate which would be better. It's even based on weapon ilvl, traits, trinkets, legendaries, everything. I have 85% mastery I think and I run Aspect as it sims higher because of my traits and legendaries.

[Guest Aenyewed]

Great job determining number values for easy comparision of t2 and t3 crucible bonuses. But my question is, how are these compared to trait values? How do I calculate if my lower ilvl relic with better t2+t3 traits is worth to equip it instead of higher ilvl but worse traits?

[Aloadae 1]

On 9/5/2017 at 3:14 AM, Luthixx said:

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/talents

Use this to simulate which would be better. It's even based on weapon ilvl, traits, trinkets, legendaries, everything. I have 85% mastery I think and I run Aspect as it sims higher because of my traits and legendaries.

This was super helpful! Thanks!

[Valks 2,375]

On 9/13/2017 at 0:20 PM, Guest Aenyewed said:

Great job determining number values for easy comparision of t2 and t3 crucible bonuses. But my question is, how are these compared to trait values? How do I calculate if my lower ilvl relic with better t2+t3 traits is worth to equip it instead of higher ilvl but worse traits?

The relics all have their trait values listed here:

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/beast-mastery-hunter-pve-dps-artifact-talents-traits-relics

Use that and the information on the Crucible page to basically just add the numbers up and compare your final value.

[Valks 2,375]

15 hours ago, Aloadae said:

This was super helpful! Thanks!

Raidbots is an amazing tool. Definitely use it when you can!

[Guest Bobo]

Hello Blainie,

Apologies if it was already asked (banging my head over this)

Everything is fine with trait value for crucible (t2/t3row etc)

I assume that is for equal ilvl relics

What if my current equipped relic is ilvl62 and i want to replace it with a 58 ilvl relic with better traits (how do i calculate the missing ilvl difference)

I came up with a tactic, please correct me if i am wrong (62+ current trait value of relic+ t2 value +t3 value /// compare to 58+ current trait value + t2 value +t3 value)

Short example 62ilvl unfurling origination (pack leader) vs 58ilvl flawless pearl (jaws) (Stomp build)

62+3.9(pack)+7.8(secure in the light t2 trait)+4.4(unleash the beast t3 trait) vs 58+5(jaws)+8.9(torment t2)+7.2(slithering serp t3)

Am i doing right ?

 

P.S i checked the link u posted for the other guy asking the same thing, but it doesn't say anywhere how to calculate me ilvl difference (either lower or greater ilvl differences than current equipped)

Thanks in advance

[Valks 2,375]

On 9/14/2017 at 10:54 PM, Guest Bobo said:

Am i doing right ?

Yeah, exactly. You're just adding up the numbers.

[Guest PBM]

The weapon item level value for the relic traits under the stomp build are not in the correct order.

It is listed as:

1. Jaws of Thunder = 5

2. Slithering Serpents = 7.2

[Valks 2,375]

5 hours ago, Guest PBM said:

The weapon item level value for the relic traits under the stomp build are not in the correct order.

It is listed as:

1. Jaws of Thunder = 5

2. Slithering Serpents = 7.2

This has since been fixed. Thanks!

[Guest Joshone]

Does this guide account for the diminishing returns of Torment the Weak?  My assumption is that since multiple stacks of Torment the Weak doesn't increase damage, it just increases the application rate, this being the case, wouldn't it hit the 3 stack more frequently and cause a reduction in efficiency of stacking that trait?