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On 3/23/2017 at 9:15 PM, Luthixx said:

Realistically all three specs are good, just go with the one you enjoy the most and if you're lucky enough to get the best legendaries for it that can make a whole lot of difference. In saying that, BM is the easiest of the specs and will be very versatile and enjoyable in any environment.

Great insight as always Luthixx, thanks! :)

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3 hours ago, Haldhur said:

About the new artifact traits: If jaws of thunder and pack leader have a value of about 9 ilvl and slithering serpents of 7 iivls, will it not be better to increase this two traits before the new ones?

I'm holding off on commenting on any of the new 7.2 info, but it will be updated very shortly in time for the patch release :)

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We are currently in the process of updating our guides in preparation for the release of 7.2 - please understand that we will not be answering questions in this section about "What is better for 7.2?" prior to the patch release, since all the information will be available when the patch goes live. Please be patient and thanks for waiting!

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I have a question, i tried doing a sim on both these but i cant seem to get the sim to work right, keep getting an error. 

sooo.    I have the Bloodthirsty instinct  trinket from heroic ursoc ilvl895 , but i am having a hard time trying to see which of my 2nd ones is better..  i have both the Convergence of Fates(ilvl 890) and Entwined Elemental Foci(ilvl 895) the 895 has a bit more agility , not sure if thats worth taking it, but the Convergence is listed as a BIS, yet the Entwined is a trinket to Lookfor.    

 

(so which one would be better.    the Convergence 890   or the Entwined 895.    ?   

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6 hours ago, Wigett said:

I have a question, i tried doing a sim on both these but i cant seem to get the sim to work right, keep getting an error. 

sooo.    I have the Bloodthirsty instinct  trinket from heroic ursoc ilvl895 , but i am having a hard time trying to see which of my 2nd ones is better..  i have both the Convergence of Fates(ilvl 890) and Entwined Elemental Foci(ilvl 895) the 895 has a bit more agility , not sure if thats worth taking it, but the Convergence is listed as a BIS, yet the Entwined is a trinket to Lookfor.    

 

(so which one would be better.    the Convergence 890   or the Entwined 895.    ?   

CoF is more consistent and provides a better boost once you've unlocked the Thunderslash trait. It also works fantastic if you have the legendary bracers. Both trinkets are good, and CoF may sim slightly lower but it's dps is consistent as opposed to RNG based. I've had some pulls using Foci where I've had 3-4 procs in a row, sometimes two at a time, other pulls I've gotten one maybe two procs all fight.

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On 3/28/2017 at 0:58 PM, Haldhur said:

I asked because it was already actualized (27 Mar. 2017): https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/beast-mastery-hunter-pve-dps-artifact-talents-traits-relics

So, I checked this with Azor - basically, the value of getting that new golden trait as well as Thunderslash outweighs the benefit of JoT/PL vs. SS. You need to get 4 points of SS before you can access either of those two, so it's better to get that done ASAP. 

From a straight up JoT/PL vs. SS perspective, they are better, but you have to look at what putting 4 points into SS will get you afterwards. It is better to go straight for the new traits.

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On 3/29/2017 at 11:41 AM, Wigett said:

(so which one would be better.    the Convergence 890   or the Entwined 895.    ?   

Just to add to what Luthixx has said - on every guide that I help to take care of that has Foci as a well ranked trinket, this discussion always pops up. It sims incredibly well, because over a massive number of attempts, it is incredibly good due to it averaging out the bad tries. Unfortunately, you'll never do that many tries. There will be attempts where it is absolutely dreadful, just never ever proccing. There are times when it is godly.

Luthixx gave the best advice - stability and reliability, grab CoF. Want to take the risk? Take Foci.

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On 3/29/2017 at 6:20 PM, Luthixx said:

CoF is more consistent and provides a better boost once you've unlocked the Thunderslash trait. It also works fantastic if you have the legendary bracers. Both trinkets are good, and CoF may sim slightly lower but it's dps is consistent as opposed to RNG based. I've had some pulls using Foci where I've had 3-4 procs in a row, sometimes two at a time, other pulls I've gotten one maybe two procs all fight.

Thanks for helping to answer, once again! :D

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I've recently got the legendary boots but I've been using the shoulders and ring before that. At the moment I have 27% crit, 10% haste and 81% mastery. This seems to be working well for me and I've been getting good dps and ilvl efficiency in raids, but everything is telling me that I should switch out the ring for boots.

I've tried switching out the ring for the gear in the BiS list so I can wear the boots (at this point I pretty much have a spare item incase I want to swap out any gear piece/set piece for a new legendary) but I can't seem to make the boots work for me. I tried using AotB with the boots and my dps seems to be lower, I simmed my gear with both the both gear sets for the ring and boots separately and my dps with the ring gives me higher results and feels smoother to play(not waiting for KC). My sims with the ring give me about 625k dps while sims with the boots give 600k. My raid logs show that I get similar dps to what my sims suggests depending on the fight. 

I've had a look at the other 2 hunters in my guild and their stat weights have a lot more haste than I do. Even though simming is telling me crit is worth more do I need to swap out some crit/mastery for more haste to make the boots work as they should. Or am I simply not playing the different rotation well compared to with Killer Cobra? 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/chamber-of-aspects/Duvenel/advanced

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4 hours ago, Duvenel said:

I've had a look at the other 2 hunters in my guild and their stat weights have a lot more haste than I do. Even though simming is telling me crit is worth more do I need to swap out some crit/mastery for more haste to make the boots work as they should. Or am I simply not playing the different rotation well compared to with Killer Cobra? 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/chamber-of-aspects/Duvenel/advanced

Going to ask Azor - we actually have conflicting info between a spreadsheet we link and our recommendations, so I want to make sure which one is correct before advising :)

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Quick mention on the Legendary Ranking Table you have Call of the Wild with CoF as the third best and on the spreadsheet it is 2nd best.

 

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12 hours ago, Blainie said:

Going to ask Azor - we actually have conflicting info between a spreadsheet we link and our recommendations, so I want to make sure which one is correct before advising :)

Thanks for the reply, I'm sure there are other hunters in a similar situation from what I've seen on the IV forums when I looked for answers, I've only been playing WoW for about 3 months so I'm not sure how to best answer these sorts of questions by myself yet, so any advice would be much appreciated :)

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19 hours ago, Duvenel said:

I've recently got the legendary boots but I've been using the shoulders and ring before that. At the moment I have 27% crit, 10% haste and 81% mastery. This seems to be working well for me and I've been getting good dps and ilvl efficiency in raids, but everything is telling me that I should switch out the ring for boots.

I've tried switching out the ring for the gear in the BiS list so I can wear the boots (at this point I pretty much have a spare item incase I want to swap out any gear piece/set piece for a new legendary) but I can't seem to make the boots work for me. I tried using AotB with the boots and my dps seems to be lower, I simmed my gear with both the both gear sets for the ring and boots separately and my dps with the ring gives me higher results and feels smoother to play(not waiting for KC). My sims with the ring give me about 625k dps while sims with the boots give 600k. My raid logs show that I get similar dps to what my sims suggests depending on the fight. 

I've had a look at the other 2 hunters in my guild and their stat weights have a lot more haste than I do. Even though simming is telling me crit is worth more do I need to swap out some crit/mastery for more haste to make the boots work as they should. Or am I simply not playing the different rotation well compared to with Killer Cobra? 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/chamber-of-aspects/Duvenel/advanced

Your stats to be running boots/shoulders are way out of whack. Crit is the best stat, and will sometimes even outweigh agi in terms of value; to get the most amount of use out of that combo you want well over 30%+ crit. While still using the ring you're a lot less reliant on those stats, as you're getting less DB procs, which is what the boots and AotB are reliant on. Using the boots will take a lot of getting used to, and you need to prioritise Kill Command over Dire Beast, which is the opposite priority that you would run when using the ring and Killer Cobra.

The other hunters in your guild don't have shoulders, but have the belt, which is reliant on a higher haste build. Don't base your stats off of their gear. If simulationcraft tells you to stack crit, then you need to stack crit, especially with those shoulders. One of the hunters I raid with has nearly 40% crit while having belt and boots, and his haste sits around 8% and mastery around 70%, yet before 7.2 had 4 top 10 dps parses in mythic and 5 in heroic. Haste is only useful if you're running any set up other than shoulders and boots.

To be completely honest now though, with the new artifact traits, that combination is no longer the best you can run as a build focused on Thunderslash works really well, i.e. bracers & CoF. But for the mean time, stack as much crit as you can without losing 4pc and focus on timing your Kill Commands with priority over Dire Beast. You will eventually get better results from this set up, but it is an entirely different approach to BM.

 

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I dislike not understanding things so... can anyone explain me why Mark of the Claw is now better than Trained soldier as neck enchant? 

I just simed myself using simcrat and both enchant gave me same DPS.  So I'm wondering If i'm not missing any mechanics...

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Guest blooeey

Hey guys great info here. Just need to tidy this part of guide up with new patch?

"Neither of these set bonuses have any pronounced effect on how you play, but they have an effect on your talent choices. The 4-piece set bonus along with the The Mantle of Command IconThe Mantle of Command makes One with the Pack IconOne with the Pack more attractive. They synergize well to provide you more Bestial Wrath casts, and making them increasingly powerful."  vs

One with the Pack IconOne with the Pack is not worth taking normally. As of Patch 7.2, Bestial Fury has it beat even with the Mantle of Command Legendary.

 

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3 hours ago, Guest blooeey said:

Hey guys great info here. Just need to tidy this part of guide up with new patch?

"Neither of these set bonuses have any pronounced effect on how you play, but they have an effect on your talent choices. The 4-piece set bonus along with the The Mantle of Command IconThe Mantle of Command makes One with the Pack IconOne with the Pack more attractive. They synergize well to provide you more Bestial Wrath casts, and making them increasingly powerful."  vs

One with the Pack IconOne with the Pack is not worth taking normally. As of Patch 7.2, Bestial Fury has it beat even with the Mantle of Command Legendary.

 

Ignore the first, the latter is the most up to date part. It just isn't all cleared up at once because it's a lot of work to do and I'm assuming Azor / Blainie have a lot of other things to keep up with.

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On 4/1/2017 at 1:21 AM, Duvenel said:

Thanks for the reply, I'm sure there are other hunters in a similar situation from what I've seen on the IV forums when I looked for answers, I've only been playing WoW for about 3 months so I'm not sure how to best answer these sorts of questions by myself yet, so any advice would be much appreciated :)

I've spoken to Azor - the spreadsheet talks about rankings by simmed DPS, while the rankings on the site are for their actual performance in the raid/dungeon environments currently available to us.

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On 3/31/2017 at 8:03 PM, Guest Morjoko said:

Quick mention on the Legendary Ranking Table you have Call of the Wild with CoF as the third best and on the spreadsheet it is 2nd best.

 

See above.

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On 4/3/2017 at 11:53 AM, Boogyness said:

I just simed myself using simcrat and both enchant gave me same DPS.  So I'm wondering If i'm not missing any mechanics...

It is because of the difference in DPS sims. You can see on our simulations page that the difference is essentially nothing, though:

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/beast-mastery-hunter-pve-dps-simulations

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On 4/5/2017 at 1:14 PM, Guest blooeey said:

Hey guys great info here. Just need to tidy this part of guide up with new patch?

Passing this on and getting it updated. Thanks for the report!

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Guest Ocsoco

Hey guys, I was wondering how important the two and four set bonuses are. I mainly do mythic + with friends so my set pieces are LFR quality, but I'm starting to get well stated gear thats like 40-50 ilvls higher. Is there like a general rule of thumb for how much they're worth? 

 

PS. I am aware Simulations exist. I haven't bothered with it because I don't know how to go about doing it. 

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11 hours ago, Guest Ocsoco said:

Hey guys, I was wondering how important the two and four set bonuses are. I mainly do mythic + with friends so my set pieces are LFR quality, but I'm starting to get well stated gear thats like 40-50 ilvls higher. Is there like a general rule of thumb for how much they're worth? 

 

PS. I am aware Simulations exist. I haven't bothered with it because I don't know how to go about doing it. 

Tier sets are worth more than any stats, you'd honestly find the set bonuses alone cover more than 120k worth of dps so it's not worth losing out on that for better stats. Especially not 4pc, having that extra uptime on BW makes clearing trash that much faster. 

To put it in perspective I have 4pc as well as legendary bracers and convergence of fates, so I have all my cooldowns up for any big pack of adds and I end up doing 40-50%+ of the total dps on trash because I have my cooldowns constantly available. But when I don't have my cooldowns up I can barely contribute 20-30% because they make such a difference. 

General rule of thumb is tier pieces (especially if they're BiS tier pieces) regardless of ilvl are 100% best in slot purely because of the set bonuses. Can be 900+ ilvl and no tier and get stomped by someone 20ilvls lower with tier. 

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Guest Aloadae

Great info as always! Any word on the new Legendary Gloves (Vigilance Perch) w/ sockets. Where would that rank? I'm wondering if i should replace my tiered gloves with it and substitute another piece of gear to have it equipped.

Thanks

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3 hours ago, Guest Aloadae said:

Great info as always! Any word on the new Legendary Gloves (Vigilance Perch) w/ sockets. Where would that rank? I'm wondering if i should replace my tiered gloves with it and substitute another piece of gear to have it equipped.

Thanks

Unless you don't have a second legendary or you only have utility legendaries it's not really much good, it's more for alts and to get a head start on gearing if you're coming back. 

Only really worth swapping out to if you're replacing something like sephuz or the helm/legs and you have another reasonable tier piece to equip. Generally not worth the cost though. 

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