Beast Mastery Hunter 7.3

[Luthixx 138]

On 7/8/2017 at 3:03 AM, Guest Straegen said:

Heya a question primarily for Azorthorian, in light of the simulation craft bug which has now been fixed and shows stomp build identical with dire frenzy now, will you be updating your guide to reflect this? also im yet to meet a mm hunter that can do more dps than me, is this still the optimal raiding spec? many thanks

From the MM vs BM perspective, MM relies more heavily on the correct legendaries this tier and T20 4pc - BM not as much. Also if you look at the logs comparing the two specs, they're not that different on some fights, with MM coming in well ahead on the heavier AoE fights. I'm the same though, my guild has another BM hunter and an MM hunter and I'm yet to find competition with either. It's ultimately down to the individual players you come across.

[DrakanFire 0]

On 7/7/2017 at 0:03 PM, Guest Straegen said:

Heya a question primarily for Azorthorian, in light of the simulation craft bug which has now been fixed and shows stomp build identical with dire frenzy now, will you be updating your guide to reflect this? also im yet to meet a mm hunter that can do more dps than me, is this still the optimal raiding spec? many thanks

+1 can the sims be rerun to confirm this? I'd prefer keep the zoo stomp build if truly it is competitive to DF build even in full T20 no T19. (No luck on the leggo ring yet but I did get the chest so 2pc T19 is not possible with T20) 

Edited July 10, 2017 by Serix

[Luthixx 138]

5 hours ago, Serix said:

+1 can the sims be rerun to confirm this? I'd prefer keep the zoo stomp build if truly it is competitive to DF build even in full T20 no T19. (No luck on the leggo ring yet but I did get the chest so 2pc T19 is not possible with T20) 

Not much point asking for generic sims to be done to show which build you should pick, if you do your own on raidbots.com and use the gear compare function and just change your talents in game and export with the simc addon, you'll find it really easy to compare. 

For example, my character at 916 using the zoo build with 37% crit, 22% haste and 69% mastery sims the same as I would a few ilvls higher in full T20 and with almost 100% mastery and lower crit and haste using the DF build. So for the moment I've taken a back-seat on loot and let my guildies gear up until we move into mythic or no one needs the heroic gear anymore.

[Guest Guest]

I currently have 4 set ToS and 2 NH (going Ring/Belt legends). At what point is the 2 set worth dropping? I have 895 for both (Hero WF). I just don't know how the 50% extra damage will factor if I replace gear  that is 915+ (with right stats of course). I'm 36/14/76 stat wise. Best average parse is 76 for ToS normal, but I feel I should be higher (have 3 in high 60s).

[Wigett 0]

On 7/11/2017 at 2:44 PM, Guest Guest said:

I currently have 4 set ToS and 2 NH (going Ring/Belt legends). At what point is the 2 set worth dropping? I have 895 for both (Hero WF). I just don't know how the 50% extra damage will factor if I replace gear  that is 915+ (with right stats of course). I'm 36/14/76 stat wise. Best average parse is 76 for ToS normal, but I feel I should be higher (have 3 in high 60s).

From my understanding the NH 2p still is worth 20ilvl in benifit.  meaning , from what some have told me, unless u have an item to replace both thats 20-30 ilvl above, keep the 2p. NH.  im doing some testing but , at some point the ilvl stats will push the set bonus to be worthless.

[Luthixx 138]

On 7/12/2017 at 4:44 AM, Guest Guest said:

I currently have 4 set ToS and 2 NH (going Ring/Belt legends). At what point is the 2 set worth dropping? I have 895 for both (Hero WF). I just don't know how the 50% extra damage will factor if I replace gear  that is 915+ (with right stats of course). I'm 36/14/76 stat wise. Best average parse is 76 for ToS normal, but I feel I should be higher (have 3 in high 60s).

That would be a fantastic combo, although from my experience you might want to drop some of that mastery for some haste - but the ring/belt combo with 2pc T19 as well as 4pc T20 works fantastic. 

Have you got logs of your performance? It could be due to a number of factors but there's a good chance if you're only parsing in the 60s and 70s you're making some major errors or your guild kills things incredibly slowly.

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, Luthixx said:

Have you got logs of your performance? It could be due to a number of factors but there's a good chance if you're only parsing in the 60s and 70s you're making some major errors or your guild kills things incredibly slowly.

Oh, I have some higher. I'm not the greatest player, I just try to not be the worst. I don't think I get enough KC's off and find myself using CS too much, and my relics are Pack x2 and CS %, cause they are the best ilvl.  I'll stick with 2 Set then. 

[Valks 2,375]

On 14/07/2017 at 1:27 AM, Guest Guest said:

Oh, I have some higher. I'm not the greatest player, I just try to not be the worst. I don't think I get enough KC's off and find myself using CS too much, and my relics are Pack x2 and CS %, cause they are the best ilvl.  I'll stick with 2 Set then. 

I'll leave this to Luthixx, but just a note: he can probably help more if he can see a link to the actual logs.

[Guest twobitz]

having a hard time trying to find info on Madness of the Betrayer. rolled a 915 with leech last night. was hoping someone could get some info on it. sim craft dropped my dps by 80k. I don't think that is correct either. any help would be very much appreciated

[Valks 2,375]

3 hours ago, Guest twobitz said:

having a hard time trying to find info on Madness of the Betrayer. rolled a 915 with leech last night. was hoping someone could get some info on it. sim craft dropped my dps by 80k. I don't think that is correct either. any help would be very much appreciated

It is essentially a slightly worse stat stick from what I know, so you can use the crit stat stick value from the testing sheet. It should average out at a 50% proc rate, meaning it will provide just under the normal stat stick value.

[Luthixx 138]

On 7/14/2017 at 10:27 AM, Guest Guest said:

Oh, I have some higher.

 

14 hours ago, Blainie said:

I'll leave this to Luthixx, but just a note: he can probably help more if he can see a link to the actual logs.

Yeah, your percentiles are quite nice but I can't do much without you actually linking your WCL page to me or giving me a character name.

[Guest Fafurion]

On 6/30/2017 at 5:14 PM, Luthixx said:

Hi, welcome to the forums!

1. Yes, ideally if you want to move into DF/BF build you want chest/belt so two items from T1.

2. Yes, definitely a viable (and very strong!) combo to run with the Stomp build!

Hi, I got the SoH and Belt as legendaries

How's is Stomp build rotation? Coz idk what have priorities

Example in BW with Killer Cobra u refresh ur Kill Command with Cobra shot, should I spam Kill/Cobra till end of BW or theres something different between Stomps? 

 

Please help,

Thanks and best regards 

[Sorst 0]

what is the best sim for "typical" m+ trash fights? "Hectic Add Cleave"? or is it just the same stat and item prioritization than for patchwerk fights (except "obvious" single target items like terror from below)?

[Valks 2,375]

3 hours ago, Sorst said:

what is the best sim for "typical" m+ trash fights? "Hectic Add Cleave"? or is it just the same stat and item prioritization than for patchwerk fights (except "obvious" single target items like terror from below)?

Yeah, HAC should work fine for it. You likely won't find much different between the two sets, perhaps some slight shift in weights but nothing major.

[Grinbarran 1]

Before yesterday's update to the guide it showed the specs simming with MM in first, BM in second, and Survival well in third. With the new update it shows that Survival has pulled ahead of BM but it looks like MM, while still in first has taken a hit also. Can you explain what accounts for these changes? 

Edited July 20, 2017 by Grinbarran

[Valks 2,375]

15 hours ago, Grinbarran said:

Before yesterday's update to the guide it showed the specs simming with MM in first, BM in second, and Survival well in third. With the new update it shows that Survival has pulled ahead of BM but it looks like MM, while still in first has taken a hit also. Can you explain what accounts for these changes? 

I think this was just due to retesting, but I'll ask Azor and let you know.

[Valks 2,375]

On 20/07/2017 at 6:56 AM, Grinbarran said:

Before yesterday's update to the guide it showed the specs simming with MM in first, BM in second, and Survival well in third. With the new update it shows that Survival has pulled ahead of BM but it looks like MM, while still in first has taken a hit also. Can you explain what accounts for these changes? 

So, essentially, from Azor:

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Survival received an update to SimCraft that unlocked the spec's potential in many ways (or rather, it was always there but because so few play it, it was never uncovered and still arguably isn't ingame). It is clear that SV does more single target, but in practice on Goroth Mythic, the statistics favour BM still. Partly due to ease of play, partly due to so few playing SV.

Hope this helps!

[Grinbarran 1]

34 minutes ago, Blainie said:

So, essentially, from Azor:

Hope this helps!

It does. I don't like the lack of mobility in MM so I may consider SV over BM. Thanks Blainie!!!

[Valks 2,375]

6 minutes ago, Grinbarran said:

It does. I don't like the lack of mobility in MM so I may consider SV over BM. Thanks Blainie!!!

No problem! Good luck with your spec choice!

[Luthixx 138]

15 hours ago, Grinbarran said:

It does. I don't like the lack of mobility in MM so I may consider SV over BM. Thanks Blainie!!!

With the changes to SV, it's an incredibly complex spec to play and has by far the highest skill-cap. Not to dampen your excitement but you should at least try and run quite a few dungeons as both SV and BM, with the way SV is now it's very complex and you'll probably have more success as BM in ToS.

[Grinbarran 1]

On 7/22/2017 at 4:28 AM, Luthixx said:

With the changes to SV, it's an incredibly complex spec to play and has by far the highest skill-cap. Not to dampen your excitement but you should at least try and run quite a few dungeons as both SV and BM, with the way SV is now it's very complex and you'll probably have more success as BM in ToS.

Good to know. Once I'm geared up I'll try them both and see which one performs better for me. Thanks. 

[Guest namd3]

The original Poster in this guide is an MM snob, BM appears to get a bad rep why?, I out DPS all MM hunter in my guild and in pugs, it takes a MM to outgear me by 15 ilvls to reflect this the crap this guide is spouting

 

Siming is clearing flawed,  actual logs might actually be a true reflection.

[Valks 2,375]

21 hours ago, Grinbarran said:

Good to know. Once I'm geared up I'll try them both and see which one performs better for me. Thanks. 

I'd give SV some time to properly practise it before you push it aside, especially if you enjoy playing it. It's hard, for sure, but can put out solid numbers and be really fun if you get it right.

[Valks 2,375]

18 hours ago, Guest namd3 said:

The original Poster in this guide is an MM snob, BM appears to get a bad rep why?, I out DPS all MM hunter in my guild and in pugs, it takes a MM to outgear me by 15 ilvls to reflect this the crap this guide is spouting

Siming is clearing flawed,  actual logs might actually be a true reflection.

Did you perhaps think that, possibly, you are playing alongside bad players?

As for your "actual logs" remark, I think WCL can answer this for me:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/13#class=Hunter&difficulty=4

Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but I'm fairly certain those are MM Hunters all over the top ranks. 

[Luthixx 138]

21 hours ago, Guest namd3 said:

The original Poster in this guide is an MM snob, BM appears to get a bad rep why?, I out DPS all MM hunter in my guild and in pugs, it takes a MM to outgear me by 15 ilvls to reflect this the crap this guide is spouting

 

Siming is clearing flawed,  actual logs might actually be a true reflection.

Different fights suit different specs. MM is in general a better ST spec but BM run all over it where there is movement. Take Method's KJ kill for example, they had 3 MM hunters, yet on Avatar they had 3 BM hunters. 

I outdps most of the people in my guild on ST fights, especially if there's movement, but that doesn't mean BM is the best spec ever it just means I can play it better than some of the others play their class. 

Wanna back up your claim with some logs or numbers so you can actually show how good you are?