Marksmanship Hunter 7.3

[Guest Mesphisto]

I see a note saying that a "really nice weakaura for vunerable" was added in the rotation section of the guide, but I am not seeing it anywhere.

[AartS 14]

I never heard of the "meme build" untill this was added. When and how is this a viable build and rotation?

Is it a higher dps output in the average Nighthold boss fights? Or is it a more "dummy friendly" rotation with similar dps for those that are not able to maximize the previously described raidbuild? In the latter I might be trying it as I cannot seem to perform as high as I should.

Also, how many add phases would an encounter need for the AOE build? Skopyron, okay easy. But the few eyes at Gul'dan? 

[Guest Rawz]

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I see a note saying that a "really nice weakaura for vunerable" was added in the rotation section of the guide, but I am not seeing it anywhere.

Last paragraph in the Trick Shot - Pure Single Target section

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On top of all this, we strongly recommend using this WeakAura by Asakawa for tracking your Vulnerable. It gives you a visual overview over how many Aimed Shots you can fit into your current Vulnerable, allowing you to plan your rotation ahead of time: https://wago.io/4kR_zkMUf

 

[Guest Aerlinthe]

I've been using the "meme" build for a couple weeks now.   I actually found it because another hunter was doing it in our first normal NH run and then I found a thread that explained it on the WOW hunter forums, on there they called it the Marked Shot build.   

Basically the more adds there are in the fight the better DPS it does.  I do better in quite a few fights than our hunters who use the Trick Shot build.  I was top DPS in our heroic spellblade fight and top 5 in the other fights with a decent number of adds.  On Krosus and Trillax you will do less DPS than the Trick shot build usually, and Guldan is kind of iffy, first phase has adds but then just the eyes in the other phases so it could go either way.   

What makes the build great is that you aren't reliant on getting 2 aimed shots casts off in a 4 second window, you just weaved aimed shots in whenever you can.  Because of this it is also way more mobile, way mroe forgiving of mistakes,  and I have way less issues with focus.   I'd still recommend Trick shot build for the single target fights but def recommend for all the fights with a lot of adds.

 

[Vuda 1]

So the meme build is actually going to be viable in NH? NotLikeThis

[Wavie 0]

You guys say that Lone Wolf is the most viable talent at level 15. How would you justify this?

I'm not saying you guys are wrong (hell, I use you every time I create a new character). However, I would like to see the percentage of damage done by a pet versus the damage done with Lone Wolf.

My Hunter is currently level 52, so I cannot test this out myself (for 110). So is there anywhere I can go to see the difference between Lone Wolf and another spec?

I really enjoy Lone Wolf, however, I want the most DPS possible. 18% doesn't seem like much, considering a Hunter's pet does reasonably amounts of DPS over time.

[Vuda 1]

8 hours ago, Wavie said:

You guys say that Lone Wolf is the most viable talent at level 15. How would you justify this?

I did some tests in Simcraft and here are the results:

2 targets using meme build (L&L, Explosive, Volley, Piercing):

1) Love Wolf -  656491 dps; 2) Steady Focus - 591058 dps; 3) Careful Aim -  604694 dps

 

1 target using standart build (True Aim, Patient Sniper, AMoC, Trick):

1) Lone Wolf - 500087 dps; 2) Steady Focus - 478710 dps; 3) Careful Aim - 471907 dps

Edited January 27, 2017 by Vuda

[Wavie 0]

3 hours ago, Vuda said:

I did some tests in Simcraft and here are the results:

2 targets using meme build (L&L, Explosive, Volley, Piercing):

1) Love Wolf -  656491 dps; 2) Steady Focus - 591058 dps; 3) Careful Aim -  604694 dps

 

1 target using standart build (True Aim, Patient Sniper, AMoC, Trick):

1) Lone Wolf - 500087 dps; 2) Steady Focus - 478710 dps; 3) Careful Aim - 471907 dps

I see, I appreciate the clarification!

[Guest Guest]

I need some clarification pls, I cant figure it out with the guide.

Assumed it is low haste (e.g. 11%), low focus after a vulnerable window, and the proc is up already.

What is next?

1) MS, 2x AS, ~0.3s delay, AiS within 1 second vulnerable left.

2) MS, 2x AS, AiS without delay within 2 second vulnerable left.

3) AS (fill focus), MS, 1x AS, AiS within 1 second vulnerable left.

[Nahash 0]

Hi, are there any plans to have a trinket ranking for multitarget?

Thanks in advance.

[Guest Darkstalker]

How does simming my own toon help me?  Surely all that pawn string represents is the impact of the stats mix I currently have and not what I need?  Surely one need the "deal" stats mix and not a pawn string from what they have currently?

[adamaj 0]

Why is it called the "meme" build? What does "meme" mean in this use?

Edited January 28, 2017 by adamaj

[adamaj 0]

11 hours ago, Guest Darkstalker said:

How does simming my own toon help me?  Surely all that pawn string represents is the impact of the stats mix I currently have and not what I need?  Surely one need the "deal" stats mix and not a pawn string from what they have currently?

I've wondered about things like this too. Stat priority is mastery, crit, haste, versatility. However, every time I run sims, it usually puts versatility way up there. The updated sims I just ran have versatility tied with mastery. Simcraft will weight versatility way above what our stat priority is supposed to be. If I follow this, isn't there the potential to throw off my gear selection and ultimately hurt my dps in the long run? I mean if I'm giving priority to mastery/versatility gear when I should be giving priority to mastery/crit gear won't I be leading myself to lower dps down the road than if I had been ignoring simcraft's suggestion and choosing mastery/crit gear from the beginning? Even if right this second versatility will give me a dps increase, should I ignore it if the ultimate goal is a mastery/crit build which will give me the best performance in the end? In other words, in the end if I end up with a versatility/mastery build (which is what simcraft is telling me to do) instead of a crit/mastery build (which is our true stat priority), won't my dps suffer and be less than it could be? Right now I have two neck pieces, both the same item level. One has vers and 800 mastery, the other has crit and 1300 mastery, yet my pawn strings tell me to use the one with vers and less mastery! I can't bring myself to use it, lol.

Edited January 28, 2017 by adamaj

[shima 0]

1 hour ago, adamaj said:

 Right now I have two neck pieces, both the same item level. One has vers and 800 mastery, the other has crit and 1300 mastery, yet my pawn strings tell me to use the one with vers and less mastery! I can't bring myself to use it, lol.

I used the custom MM pawn string in the guide and it almost always tells me to use whatever item has higher mastery. Are you using the default pawn strings?

[Guest Dingo]

Question: I see the guide mentions to use Piercing shot for AOE unless you have war belt which buffs trick shot by a lot, that said, does this count towards mythic+ as well or is Piercing shot still a better option (maybe for more burst) regardless of having the war belt or not?

Thank you so much for the guide and await your response ;)

Dingo

 

[adamaj 0]

3 hours ago, shima said:

I used the custom MM pawn string in the guide and it almost always tells me to use whatever item has higher mastery. Are you using the default pawn strings?

No, I'm running my own custom sims and getting the pawn strings from them.

[TrevBlu19 0]

I had to create a account just to say this.  i'm confused on the me-me build..

• Level 100:  Piercing Shot

the rotation doesn't make sense... if this is taken and not sidewinders... 

1. Cast  Marked Shot when it is available (after casting  Sidewinders when it is glowing)

So can someone say what is the correct rotation please? :)  TYVM.

 

 

[Valks 2,375]

On 1/20/2017 at 11:46 AM, Metztli said:

Is this means that Blizzard will fix it for ranged soon ? is there any info about that ? Because right now I guess BIS will stay the trinket from Elisande ?

As answered already, it is a Melee-specific trinket. It was never meant to be Ranged.

[Valks 2,375]

On 1/21/2017 at 0:03 AM, Guest tokémon said:

Are there any sims out for the legendary trink?

 

It is simmed in the legendaries section.

[Valks 2,375]

On 1/21/2017 at 1:57 PM, Bumbum said:

You didn´t get it, but thanks anyway gyus :-)

Glad to hear that you got the answer anyway.

[Valks 2,375]

On 1/21/2017 at 3:07 PM, Bumbum said:

How do you do that?

This has since been adjusted with the introduction of the Meme build. In the TS build, this is fine.

[Valks 2,375]

On 1/22/2017 at 0:55 AM, Guest majfg said:

Question to Azortharion. We have quite a lot of cleave fights in NH, what trinkets would You recommend for those fights also what 2 legends are bis for fights like this (got gloves belt and boots).

My second question. Are You gonna make short guide for NH fights in future? talent, trinkets, legendery choice and some tips for specific fights?

Not sure if there will be boss-specific guides, this is something you might get more help with on our forums.

As for the cleave fights, I'd recommend looking at Legendaries on 3-target fights (on our Simulations page). For trinkets, what do you have available?

[Valks 2,375]

On 1/24/2017 at 0:59 PM, Guest lightib said:

thx for your guide.

what is tier 4 set opener cycle?

help..

Nothing changes, please check the set bonuses section under the Rotation page.

[Valks 2,375]

On 1/24/2017 at 3:13 PM, Guest Souin said:

Is it viable again?

Guide has been updated to reflect this. The discussion under the talents T7 lists strengths/weaknesses.

[Valks 2,375]

On 1/24/2017 at 8:45 PM, Guest Mesphisto said:

I see a note saying that a "really nice weakaura for vunerable" was added in the rotation section of the guide, but I am not seeing it anywhere.

It is just above the Multiple Target Rotation section:

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On top of all this, we strongly recommend using this WeakAura by Asakawa for tracking your Vulnerable. It gives you a visual overview over how many Aimed Shots you can fit into your current Vulnerable, allowing you to plan your rotation ahead of time: https://wago.io/4kR_zkMUf

Hope this helps.