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On 1/25/2017 at 11:56 AM, AartS said:

Is it a higher dps output in the average Nighthold boss fights? Or is it a more "dummy friendly" rotation with similar dps for those that are not able to maximize the previously described raidbuild? In the latter I might be trying it as I cannot seem to perform as high as I should.

It is a good rotation and definitely works, but as far as I understand, it falls short of the normal build when played 100% perfectly. I believe the meme build is essentially intended to just blast through any AoE section with a lower skill-cap than perfecting the normal build. Both can work as far as I am aware.

As for your question about AoE, it depends on your raid comp. If the adds are being nuked instantly to the point where your AoE is useless, you might as well continue pushing ST. Make the judgement yourself on those fights like Gul'dan. If your raid is destroying those adds, going an AoE spec might just end up being a DPS loss for you.

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On 1/25/2017 at 9:24 PM, Guest Rawz said:

Last paragraph in the Trick Shot - Pure Single Target section

Thanks for helping to answer that :)

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On 1/25/2017 at 11:28 PM, Vuda said:

So the meme build is actually going to be viable in NH? NotLikeThis

Seems so!

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On 1/27/2017 at 5:45 PM, Wavie said:

I see, I appreciate the clarification!

Glad to see that you got the help needed. Sims are generally the first point of reference for things like talent vs. talent comparison.

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On 1/27/2017 at 2:02 PM, Vuda said:

I did some tests in Simcraft and here are the results:

Thanks for helping to answer :)

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On 1/28/2017 at 6:09 AM, Nahash said:

Hi, are there any plans to have a trinket ranking for multitarget?

Thanks in advance.

For sure, but at the moment, it's unlikely it will be released in the very near future given that Mythic progression is still ongoing and those trinket simulations can take a huge amount of time. Sit tight, it's coming!

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On 1/28/2017 at 6:54 AM, Guest Darkstalker said:

How does simming my own toon help me?  Surely all that pawn string represents is the impact of the stats mix I currently have and not what I need?  Surely one need the "deal" stats mix and not a pawn string from what they have currently?

It takes the stat levels that you have and then compares which one will give you the highest DPS increase if you add a stat point to each one. It then weights them based on the DPS increase and then tells you which to prioritise. This obviously changes a HUGE amount depending on what your stat levels are.

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20 hours ago, adamaj said:

Why is it called the "meme" build? What does "meme" mean in this use?

This is based on an old build that was used by Boomkins where they ignored everything that made sense, basically talented entirely for huge AOE damage on Starfall and somehow it worked amazingly well. This is basically the Hunter version of that. People thought it was incredibly stupid at first and now it turns out it's doing well.

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20 hours ago, adamaj said:

I've wondered about things like this too. Stat priority is mastery, crit, haste, versatility. However, every time I run sims, it usually puts versatility way up there. 

Sims that look at your own stats will be more accurate, since it is a direct comparison of your own stats and how much each stat can add to your DPS. If it tells you to push for some Vers, and you have run the sim correctly, then do so. Sim yourself after you equip a piece of Vers gear and it will most likely have changed priority yet again.

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15 hours ago, Guest Dingo said:

Question: I see the guide mentions to use Piercing shot for AOE unless you have war belt which buffs trick shot by a lot, that said, does this count towards mythic+ as well or is Piercing shot still a better option (maybe for more burst) regardless of having the war belt or not?

Depends on what you need. Need sustained cleave? Take TS with Belt. Need a huge amount of burst AoE? Take PS. It will change from dungeon to dungeon, as well as depending on affixes.

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13 hours ago, TrevBlu19 said:

So can someone say what is the correct rotation please? :)  TYVM.

This has since been fixed in the guide. Thanks for the notification :)

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5 minutes ago, Blainie said:

This has since been fixed in the guide. Thanks for the notification :)

i'm still confused on the rotation since picking the talents, you don't have sidewinders..  Am i blind ? :(

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7 minutes ago, Blainie said:

This has since been fixed in the guide. Thanks for the notification :)

oh i see it's fixed on the one page but not the other...  my bads. :)

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2 hours ago, TrevBlu19 said:

oh i see it's fixed on the one page but not the other...  my bads. :)

Where are you seeing it not fixed?

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Guest Guest

Hi, where I can find the most up to date APL for simcraft (azor is maintaining)?

The standard one imported directly from simcraft seems to be poor.

 

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15 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Hi, where I can find the most up to date APL for simcraft (azor is maintaining)?

The standard one imported directly from simcraft seems to be poor.

I'm not sure what about the standard one is poor? He uses the standard APL as his base and just adjusts it for the work that he is currently trying to complete. The standard one is definitely the best one for you to use.

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Guest filipgrk

Hey there and thank you for the guide ! 

 

is there any chance you could add a section for "recommended speccs per specific boss" ? 
Like for an example which specc is best for Skopryron Mythic or which one is best for Gul'dan Heroic and so on and so on . 

 

Thank you in advance . 

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6 hours ago, Blainie said:

I'm not sure what about the standard one is poor? He uses the standard APL as his base and just adjusts it for the work that he is currently trying to complete. The standard one is definitely the best one for you to use.

I am by far not a pro in simcraft, nevertheless I managed easily to increase the sims (about 11k) just by changing two simple numbers in the APL (in the action-list-thing). Therefore I believed, it cant be as good. I thought the higher the dps the better the APL, isnt it?

If you wonder, the changes I made are:

actions.patient_sniper+=/arcane_shot,if=spell_targets.multi_shot<2&(debuff.vulnerability.remains<(2*attack_haste)|(debuff.vulnerability.remains>(variable.vuln_aim_casts*2*attack_haste+gcd)&(debuff.vulnerability.remains-(variable.vuln_aim_casts*2*attack_haste+gcd))<2))

 

and

 

actions.patient_sniper+=/marked_shot,if=!talent.sidewinders.enabled&spell_targets.multi_shot<2&debuff.vulnerability.remains<(2*attack_haste)&(debuff.hunters_mark.remains<gcd|focus>60)

 

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15 hours ago, Guest filipgrk said:

Hey there and thank you for the guide ! 

 

is there any chance you could add a section for "recommended speccs per specific boss" ? 
Like for an example which specc is best for Skopryron Mythic or which one is best for Gul'dan Heroic and so on and so on . 

 

Thank you in advance . 

Check out the MM hunter discord channel and the pinned posts. Talents choices per boss are n there

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10 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

I am by far not a pro in simcraft, nevertheless I managed easily to increase the sims (about 11k) just by changing two simple numbers in the APL (in the action-list-thing). Therefore I believed, it cant be as good. I thought the higher the dps the better the APL, isnt it?

I'll be honest, I can't find either line that you have linked in the standard APL. I'm guessing you have the most up-to-date version etc.? They might have since updated things in the latest build with new revisions.

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17 hours ago, Guest filipgrk said:

Thank you in advance . 

Looks like this has been answered above, and I would agree that you should either check the Hunter discord or ask on our forums.

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1 hour ago, Zombales said:

Check out the MM hunter discord channel and the pinned posts. Talents choices per boss are n there

Thanks for helping to answer :)

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