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Guest Jac
On 2017-01-22 at 10:31 AM, Furty said:

Aran's was nerfed, and the more sustained output tends to favor other trinkets than Wriggling Sinew.

While Sinew is still pretty good for reliable burst, it's very weakened by the PI/RoP interaction since patch, more than anything else.

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Guest Clairebear

I was running the sample math on BIS page and the stat weight gear, and the numbers don't match. 

On stat weights, you have Mastery at .81, and Haste at .99. On the BIS page you have Mastery at .76 and haste at .81

I wanted to verify which was correct so I could weigh my gear & upgrades accordingly. 

 

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Guest RenegadeZed

is Fire Mage DPS Guide (Legion 7.1.5) going to be updated soon?

the easy mode part is out of date and the rotation part too.

BTW thanks for your time and these awesome guides.

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Guest tzezi

thank you for the guide!

i am a bit confused - i have these 2 trinkets and calculated the dps according to the stats guide - now with these 2 trinkets i have an equip ability , whispers gives haste increased by 36% for 12 sec and then haste decreased by 14% for 8 sec, while Star gate gives 117k spellfire dmg on hit

i know star gate isn't even in the list but since i got it ilvl 910 i thought it's worth checking it out, and it has more dps than Whispers (without the equip dps)

what should i do? how do you calculate equip slots in items? which would be better to use?

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Whispers in the Dark (ilvl 885)
1951.5 dps

--------------- 
Star Gate (ilvl 910)
2264 dps

 

thank you again :)

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On 1/25/2017 at 2:04 AM, Guest Jac said:

While Sinew is still pretty good for reliable burst, it's very weakened by the PI/RoP interaction since patch, more than anything else.

Thanks for helping to clarify that :)

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On 1/25/2017 at 1:05 AM, Guest Jac said:

The bolded part is not it at all actually. Combustion's interaction with sinew is exactly the same as before. However, you'd always have 5 stacks of pyretic incantation and RoP up when exploding SInew, which have both been nerfed significantly. Net result is that the has lost some 30% of it's on use damage, which severely devalues it.

Once again, thanks!

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On 1/25/2017 at 4:46 PM, Guest Clairebear said:

I wanted to verify which was correct so I could weigh my gear & upgrades accordingly.

The ones on the stat page are correct. The ones on the BiS page aren't updated in the equation, they are simply there as an example on how to calculate.

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On 2/2/2017 at 8:05 AM, Guest RenegadeZed said:

is Fire Mage DPS Guide (Legion 7.1.5) going to be updated soon?

the easy mode part is out of date and the rotation part too.

BTW thanks for your time and these awesome guides.

Can you let me know what is out of date, please? I can't tell Furty that the whole page is out of date, instead I need to point to specifics - thanks for your time/help! :)

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1 hour ago, Guest tzezi said:

what should i do? how do you calculate equip slots in items? which would be better to use?

Have you tried simming the two trinkets on your character to compare? This would likely give the most accurate answer.

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I'm slowly starting NH HM with my guild and I have a lot of doubt about the T19, either 2P or 4P. I just got the cloak but I already have a better one. Should I keep it in my bag for when I have 3P (which will probably never happen) or should I scrap completely the idea of going for 4P ? Both bonus seem to be crap anyway. Do you guys have any advice ?

Here is my char if you need it : http://eu.battle.net/wow/fr/character/hyjal/Drekäl/simple

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The Fire set is really sad. The 2-piece provides an approximately 1-2% DPS increase and the 4-piece a 4-5% DPS increase, for a grand total of a 5-7% DPS increase (yaaaay), when other classes/specs receive tremendous boosts from their set boni (I think the DH one is something like 18% lol).

I've seen Mages from pro guilds use it. Is it worth it? I guess from a purely item level point of view, it's worth equipping the set pieces. It's much harder and more time-consuming to get, let's say, that Arcway/CoS Head/Shoulder set at 900+ item level than it is to just go run Nighthold on heroic. I don't recall if cloth off-pieces with Crit drop in the Nighthold, but from what I remember most of the gear dropping in that raid didn't have Crit on it.

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On 2/4/2017 at 11:12 AM, Zadina said:

I don't recall if cloth off-pieces with Crit drop in the Nighthold, but from what I remember most of the gear dropping in that raid didn't have Crit on it.

It's pretty awful all-round on Crit, you're right. I think you end up with 3 pieces of tier if you push for Crit, without aiming for any extra tier.

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On 2/3/2017 at 11:17 PM, Drekal said:

I'm slowly starting NH HM with my guild and I have a lot of doubt about the T19, either 2P or 4P. I just got the cloak but I already have a better one. Should I keep it in my bag for when I have 3P (which will probably never happen) or should I scrap completely the idea of going for 4P ? Both bonus seem to be crap anyway. Do you guys have any advice ?

Here is my char if you need it : http://eu.battle.net/wow/fr/character/hyjal/Drekäl/simple

Tagging you to read Zadina's comment above in case you haven't seen it.

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On 04/02/2017 at 0:12 PM, Zadina said:

The Fire set is really sad. The 2-piece provides an approximately 1-2% DPS increase and the 4-piece a 4-5% DPS increase, for a grand total of a 5-7% DPS increase (yaaaay), when other classes/specs receive tremendous boosts from their set boni (I think the DH one is something like 18% lol).

I've seen Mages from pro guilds use it. Is it worth it? I guess from a purely item level point of view, it's worth equipping the set pieces. It's much harder and more time-consuming to get, let's say, that Arcway/CoS Head/Shoulder set at 900+ item level than it is to just go run Nighthold on heroic. I don't recall if cloth off-pieces with Crit drop in the Nighthold, but from what I remember most of the gear dropping in that raid didn't have Crit on it.

Ok so I'm ditching the idea of going for the set bonus. And since tier pieces can't drop in WF or TF I'll just roll for whatever item has the best stats regardless of whether it's a tier piece or not.

Thanks for the answers :)

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Guest Justsomerandomdude
3 hours ago, Drekal said:

Ok so I'm ditching the idea of going for the set bonus. And since tier pieces can't drop in WF or TF I'll just roll for whatever item has the best stats regardless of whether it's a tier piece or not.

Thanks for the answers :)

Tier pieces can WF and TF.

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20 hours ago, Drekal said:

Ok so I'm ditching the idea of going for the set bonus. And since tier pieces can't drop in WF or TF I'll just roll for whatever item has the best stats regardless of whether it's a tier piece or not.

Thanks for the answers :)

As mentioned above, it definitely can WF/TF. Your BiS will feature TF-ed set pieces in like 2-3 slots, since they are actually pretty well itemised.

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16 hours ago, Guest Justsomerandomdude said:

Tier pieces can WF and TF.

Thanks for helping to answer! :)

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On 06/02/2017 at 10:56 PM, Guest Justsomerandomdude said:

Tier pieces can WF and TF.

Oh well, seems like I'm a fool :o Thanks for the heads up.

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9 hours ago, Drekal said:

Oh well, seems like I'm a fool :o Thanks for the heads up.

Good luck gearing! If you have any other questions, feel free to ask :)

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51 minutes ago, Guest Dythïus said:

So i have had a hard time finding a good pawn string that shows the stat priorities listed here. everything i sim comes out really odd. if someone more knowledgable then me run the sim and let me know do it myself I would appreciate it.  

Your sim will rarely match what we recommend. A weighted sim will tell you what is best for your gear setup at that particular moment, rather than a general gearing strategy.

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So here is my problem, I have started using SimC to get a better idea on gear upgrades. I intended to use the pawn string created to better gear my mage. The issue is that i get different results every time. 

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/runetotem/Dythïus/simple

( Pawn: v1: "Dythïus": Intellect=11.90, CritRating=14.97, HasteRating=8.97, MasteryRating=8.26, Versatility=12.56 )

*Crit > Vers > Int > Haste > Mastery

^ is what i got simming my current gear, changing out Wriggling Sinew(M) for Erratic Metronome(H). 

 

Now, i simmed using Whipsers in the Dark and Erratic Metronome and got

( Pawn: v1: "Dythïus": Intellect=12.45, CritRating=15.67, HasteRating=8.94, MasteryRating=8.41, Versatility=12.70 )
 

* Crit > Vers ~= Int > Haste ~= Mastery

 

 

Why is int so low in my sims and vers so high? Any help would be appreciated. 

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2 hours ago, ff7freak55 said:

Why is int so low in my sims and vers so high? Any help would be appreciated. 

Higher gear means int becomes less valuable and you can start to stack secondaries. Int isn't even that low for you, honestly. 

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8 hours ago, Blainie said:

Higher gear means int becomes less valuable and you can start to stack secondaries. Int isn't even that low for you, honestly. 

 

Ok so as long as that is accurate, i will follow that. 

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19 hours ago, ff7freak55 said:

So here is my problem, I have started using SimC to get a better idea on gear upgrades. I intended to use the pawn string created to better gear my mage. The issue is that i get different results every time. 

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/runetotem/Dythïus/simple

( Pawn: v1: "Dythïus": Intellect=11.90, CritRating=14.97, HasteRating=8.97, MasteryRating=8.26, Versatility=12.56 )

*Crit > Vers > Int > Haste > Mastery

^ is what i got simming my current gear, changing out Wriggling Sinew(M) for Erratic Metronome(H). 

 

Now, i simmed using Whipsers in the Dark and Erratic Metronome and got

( Pawn: v1: "Dythïus": Intellect=12.45, CritRating=15.67, HasteRating=8.94, MasteryRating=8.41, Versatility=12.70 )
 

* Crit > Vers ~= Int > Haste ~= Mastery

 

 

Why is int so low in my sims and vers so high? Any help would be appreciated. 

You have a low amount of Versatility so the sim might overvalue the stat. You're also using very MI/Haste oriented trinkets which favor more sustained damage stats.

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