Frost Mage 7.3

[Valks 2,375]

On 6/20/2017 at 1:10 PM, Guest Thaorum said:

For any one rerolling to frost and has no tier and bad legendarys 

TV vs GS : from running alot of sims with different builds glacial spike + lonely winter + splitting ice is the best even on single target if you have no t19 or t20 set and bad legendarys. 

Thanks for sharing that!

[Valks 2,375]

On 6/20/2017 at 1:49 PM, Guest bellum said:

Hello and thank you for the guide.
I just wanted to clarify isnt it 35.33% shatter crit cap for raid bosses as in ((103%-50%)/1.5)?

Crit suppression doesn't exist anymore, so you don't need the 103%.

[Valks 2,375]

On 6/22/2017 at 8:25 PM, Guest Flarntraz said:

The rotation information for those checking off Glacial Spike needs rewritten. Using Brain Freeze procs on Ice Bolt should only happen at 3 or less icescicles. At 4 or above brain freeze should be kept to use on a Glacial Spike cast. This is due to the change in Flurry travel speed allowing Glacial Spike to benefit from the shatter bonus. The Flurry can then still be followed by an Ice Lance and the roatation can continue normally.

Passed this on :)

[Valks 2,375]

On 6/28/2017 at 4:04 PM, Guest Trinkets said:

Got a question about trinkets. is a 925 spectral thurible trinket better than a 860 arcano (gs build)? made some simming but it does not count the effect of the spectral thurible.

thank for answering

I would take ST for AoE, but Arcano for single target.

[Guest Gescom]

So I see that this guide underwent some major changes yesterday. What gives? Are these changes a reflection of the fact that players are generally sitting at a higher ilevel due to ToS now? Thanks for keeping the guide current.

[Furty 51]

19 hours ago, Guest Gescom said:

So I see that this guide underwent some major changes yesterday. What gives? Are these changes a reflection of the fact that players are generally sitting at a higher ilevel due to ToS now? Thanks for keeping the guide current.

My pleasure. There were several factors, but item level is certainly one of them. Along with that we have the new tier set, some changes from Blizzard themselves, and some new tricks to work into the rotation. 

[Tesel 0]

I just noticed that BiS/Trinkets/Legendaries still do not contain info on newly introduced legendaries, namely Archmage signet and Shattered fragments of Sindragosa. And while I can guess that the new ring might be silly strong on a 2 target cleave (combine Splitting ice with icy touch, talents you generally cannot run in parallel), I am quite interested how Sindy's fragments fare.

[Guest pickledaisho]

As was stated by Tesel, any word on how the new legendaries rate? also, was curious how a 915 skull of gul'dan would stack up against the other trinket. 

[Valks 2,375]

On 14/07/2017 at 7:34 AM, Tesel said:

I just noticed that BiS/Trinkets/Legendaries still do not contain info on newly introduced legendaries, namely Archmage signet and Shattered fragments of Sindragosa. And while I can guess that the new ring might be silly strong on a 2 target cleave (combine Splitting ice with icy touch, talents you generally cannot run in parallel), I am quite interested how Sindy's fragments fare.

As far as I am aware, SFoS is very strong and pretty much in your top 2-3 on ST and AoE. I'll ping Furty and get the new legendaries added. 

[Valks 2,375]

On 16/07/2017 at 1:56 AM, Guest pickledaisho said:

As was stated by Tesel, any word on how the new legendaries rate? also, was curious how a 915 skull of gul'dan would stack up against the other trinket. 

See above for legendary question - for trinkets, what are you comparing it with? 

[Guest pickledaisho]

ment trinkets, just as a general placing. 

[Guest Mustreed]

Just a quick question, if Lonely Winter is the ideal talent why do you continue to include the Water Elemental's abilities in your rotation guide? I understand that this is just a guide and people can use it to their own ends, it just confuses me. Should I just overlook the inclusion of the Water Elemental's abilities or should I be playing with another talent?

[Valks 2,375]

22 hours ago, Guest pickledaisho said:

ment trinkets, just as a general placing. 

I can ask for something to be worked on/included - in the meantime, you can also check how the trinket will perform via SimCraft.

[Valks 2,375]

22 hours ago, Guest Mustreed said:

Just a quick question, if Lonely Winter is the ideal talent why do you continue to include the Water Elemental's abilities in your rotation guide? I understand that this is just a guide and people can use it to their own ends, it just confuses me. Should I just overlook the inclusion of the Water Elemental's abilities or should I be playing with another talent?

I'll ask if we can include a tick-box option to remove/add them. When using Lonely Winter, just ignore the Elemental spells, yeah.

[Guest Xelosy]

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• Do not cast  Flurry if you are talented into  Glacial Spike and currently have 3-5  Icicles. Instead of casting the usual combo of  Frostbolt-> Flurry-> Ice Lance (if you are at 0-2  Icicles, perform this normal combo instead of waiting), you will hold onto your  Flurry proc until you have 5  Icicles and are ready to cast  Glacial Spike. Then, you will cast  Glacial Spike-> Flurry-> Ice Lance (in that exact order).

Why should i wait, i mean ice lance doesnt shoot icicles anymore? Only because its more fluid rotation?

[Zadina 923]

Because Glacial Spike has a slower travel time than Flurry. Flurry will reach the target first and apply the Winter's Chill debuff on the target. Thus, Glacial Spike will benefit from Winter's Chill on the target and do more damage.

[Guest Xelosy]

1 hour ago, Zadina said:

Because Glacial Spike has a slower travel time than Flurry. Flurry will reach the target first and apply the Winter's Chill debuff on the target. Thus, Glacial Spike will benefit from Winter's Chill on the target and do more damage.

Ty

[Guest enton]

Winter`s Chill makes the target acts like its frozen? but glacial spike do not more dmg if its frozen? Only the ice lance tooltips says it do more dmg when the target is frozen

[Furty 51]

29 minutes ago, Guest enton said:

Winter`s Chill makes the target acts like its frozen? but glacial spike do not more dmg if its frozen? Only the ice lance tooltips says it do more dmg when the target is frozen

Shatter

[Guest FMageX]

Can we get the new weights for GS Build? I'm pretty sure haste isnt optimal anymore and i cant find the appropriate weights anywhere :(

[Valks 2,375]

On 7/31/2017 at 10:08 AM, Guest FMageX said:

Can we get the new weights for GS Build? I'm pretty sure haste isnt optimal anymore and i cant find the appropriate weights anywhere :(

This is your best chance of finding accurate stat weights: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

[Guest Atrivum]

Ok, I'm really confused. The Easy mode section says "make sure that your summon water elemental is always present"  It then says to take Lonely Winter, which gets rid of the water elemental. Then in the rotation it says use Water jet to generate fingers of frost.  So, do i need to have the elemental or not? 2 things say yes and one says no. Please help.

[Valks 2,375]

16 hours ago, Guest Atrivum said:

Ok, I'm really confused. The Easy mode section says "make sure that your summon water elemental is always present"  It then says to take Lonely Winter, which gets rid of the water elemental. Then in the rotation it says use Water jet to generate fingers of frost.  So, do i need to have the elemental or not? 2 things say yes and one says no. Please help.

It is included because there are people that prefer to use a pet than use Lonely Winter. LW gives the highest DPS increase.

[Tesel 0]

How does Ice Time work with T20 4-set? I'd guess that it's pretty strong on M+ farming and large AoE packs, since you'd throw out quite a decent amount of orbs.

[Guest Vyro]

Will u ever update the legendary section.? ..it so outdated (bracers 4 best...)