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On 2017-4-28 at 10:46 PM, Nobetwo said:

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  1. Activate Vanish Icon Vanish if it is off cooldown and you have 5 Combo Points, then use Rupture Icon Rupture (if you are talented into Nightstalker Icon Nightstalker, otherwise use Mutilate Icon Mutilate)."

How can Rupture work if you are in stealth? 

 

Also it shows : 

3.1. With Duskwalker's Footpads

  1. 2x Icon Master Assassin  What do you mean by "2x" ? Relics don't stack

Rupture can be cast from Stealth or not, so long as you have Combo Points

And relics do stack

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Guest Rissning

Hey, i been going into 8/10 heroic progress, gotten my weapon up to getting the last golden trait Sinister Circulation.. im sure it get better once i get another relic for Master Assassin to get 5 points, but atm i have very bad synergi with Vendetta and Kingsbane. Should I then use Kingsbane whenever of cd and Vendetta same, or go for holding off Vendetta and Kingsbane off cd?

A secon question is how exact does poison/bleed get haste when haste is buffed or is it the dot set out during haste buff that get the stats? this might been told before, sry if I missed it.

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16 hours ago, Guest Rissning said:

Hey, i been going into 8/10 heroic progress, gotten my weapon up to getting the last golden trait Sinister Circulation.. im sure it get better once i get another relic for Master Assassin to get 5 points, but atm i have very bad synergi with Vendetta and Kingsbane. Should I then use Kingsbane whenever of cd and Vendetta same, or go for holding off Vendetta and Kingsbane off cd?

A secon question is how exact does poison/bleed get haste when haste is buffed or is it the dot set out during haste buff that get the stats? this might been told before, sry if I missed it.

You usually want to use them both whenever possible, since your uptime on both of them is going to be very high anyways. Try and keep Envenom up any time you have Kb rolling.

Haste is dynamic now, so as you gain and lose it your DoTs will tick faster and slower. The only thing that isn't dynamic is % damage buffs, which snapshots on cast - this is why it's so important to use a 5CP Rupture out of stealth 

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We are currently in the process of updating our guides in preparation for the release of 7.2.5 - all questions about "What is better for 7.2.5, X or Y?" will be answered in our guide updates. Thanks for your patience while we get everything completed and good luck in the new patch!

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10 hours ago, Blainie said:

We are currently in the process of updating our guides in preparation for the release of 7.2.5 - all questions about "What is better for 7.2.5, X or Y?" will be answered in our guide updates. Thanks for your patience while we get everything completed and good luck in the new patch!

Is Sin dead in 7.2.5? AP got replaced with a short duration active & T19 got nerfed too.

And 10% buff doesn't seem to compensate for constant ~40-50% dmg increase.

Edited by Vetinari

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2 hours ago, KaosKing said:

When will you be updating this for the 7.2.5 patch?

The post right above you says yes :P

1 hour ago, Vetinari said:

Is Sin dead in 7.2.5? AP got replaced with a short duration active & T19 got nerfed too.

And 10% buff doesn't seem to compensate for constant ~40-50% dmg increase.

Short answer? No. Bleed build will be a more viable option with the buff to Exsang. Stat weights will shift around, but you'll still be able to play Sin if you want to

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Guest Giaxi

Guys, awesome post, thanks for the hard work!

I just have one issue - can you pls position Will of Valeera in your Legendaries list ? 

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Guest Shasya

As always, it's an awesome guide which helped me a lot in the past! Thanks!

But now i have some question about the sin and the rog's spec.
So there is a lot of buffs and nerfs, and i cant decide which rog spec could be the best. im not raiding competetive, yet, but i want, and dont know which spec should i use. (which one can dealt the most dps.) 
And with the sin, which talent choice is the best? So there is a poison theme "spec and a bleed "spec" but their stat prior is so different.
Now, i have a lot of mastery, but if the bleed spec is bettern, than i should get a lot of versa-crit? Which r the differencies and pros and cons between them? Which one is better get gear for?
Sorry for the long post and questioning, i know we are at the start of the new patch, but i want to be focused ;)
Keep up the good work guys, whishes the best for all of you!

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2 hours ago, Guest Giaxi said:

Guys, awesome post, thanks for the hard work!

I just have one issue - can you pls position Will of Valeera in your Legendaries list ? 

There is no DPS value for this - you should just treat it as you would a normal piece of gear and sim/calculate the weight of the stat budget. It's basically just a very high budget piece of gear, rather than having a difficult effect to calculate. 

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1 hour ago, Guest Shasya said:

As always, it's an awesome guide which helped me a lot in the past! Thanks!

Going to tag @Carrn - he'll be able to help out with this a lot more than me.

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1 hour ago, Blainie said:

Going to tag @Carrn - he'll be able to help out with this a lot more than me.

On a related note, is there a way to change notification settings to only show 1 per thread? For example, I get 1 when there's a new post, and another when you tag me. It's not a big deal, I just have a mild panic attack when I see 4 notifications, as if something has blown up in the few hours I was asleep :P

3 hours ago, Guest Shasya said:

As always, it's an awesome guide which helped me a lot in the past! Thanks!

But now i have some question about the sin and the rog's spec.
So there is a lot of buffs and nerfs, and i cant decide which rog spec could be the best. im not raiding competetive, yet, but i want, and dont know which spec should i use. (which one can dealt the most dps.) 
And with the sin, which talent choice is the best? So there is a poison theme "spec and a bleed "spec" but their stat prior is so different.
Now, i have a lot of mastery, but if the bleed spec is bettern, than i should get a lot of versa-crit? Which r the differencies and pros and cons between them? Which one is better get gear for?
Sorry for the long post and questioning, i know we are at the start of the new patch, but i want to be focused ;)
Keep up the good work guys, whishes the best for all of you!

If you're just beginning to start raiding, you should play whichever spec you enjoy the most. They are all extremely close in terms of damage output,; playing one that you enjoy and keeps you focused will lead to you investing more time into playing the spec, becoming more comfortable, and improving at a faster rate.

As for the Poison vs Bleed debate, 7.2.5 will be interesting. I fully expect them both to be viable - if you currently have high Mastery coming from an Agonizing Poison build, I suspect that you'll still do better without Exsanguinate. The tier 20 set bonuses, however, lend themselves quite strongly towards a bleed oriented spec, with a significant cooldown reduction on Garrote which will help Exsanguinate be even more competitive.

I expect you'll be able to play either one

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9 hours ago, Carrn said:

On a related note, is there a way to change notification settings to only show 1 per thread? For example, I get 1 when there's a new post, and another when you tag me. It's not a big deal, I just have a mild panic attack when I see 4 notifications, as if something has blown up in the few hours I was asleep :P

You'd have to disable one or the other, but then you'd miss it when there's only one, so not really for now :(

Thanks for helping with the comment though!

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16 hours ago, Blainie said:

You'd have to disable one or the other, but then you'd miss it when there's only one, so not really for now :(

Thanks for helping with the comment though!

Yeah I figured. Guess I'll just deal with the mild heart attack once in a while haha

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Theres so little info for when to use Toxic Blade I believe this needs to be explain more.

 

Edit: You guys don't even mention it in the rotation section.

Edited by rackoon

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1 hour ago, rackoon said:

Theres so little info for when to use Toxic Blade I believe this needs to be explain more.

 

Edit: You guys don't even mention it in the rotation section.

The guides are still being updated, I'm sure @Furty is working on them as quickly as he can

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On 6/15/2017 at 4:33 PM, rackoon said:

Theres so little info for when to use Toxic Blade I believe this needs to be explain more.

Will ask him to add it to the rotations section. I believe you essentially max combo points, pop TB, then push for as many envenoms as possible. 

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Guest Elco

I noticed in the relic section, that vendetta is listed as best, whereas before it was usually only the best, if you had boots and were only good with 1 or 2 of the relics.

Is this still the case or is having all 3 relics for vendetta best?

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2 hours ago, Guest Elco said:

I noticed in the relic section, that vendetta is listed as best, whereas before it was usually only the best, if you had boots and were only good with 1 or 2 of the relics.

Is this still the case or is having all 3 relics for vendetta best?

I believe you can run 3 vendetta relics, but you need to beware of item level upgrades too. AFAIK the best way to find out is to sim your character to ensure that a simple item level boost won't perform better.

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7 hours ago, Guest Elco said:

I noticed in the relic section, that vendetta is listed as best, whereas before it was usually only the best, if you had boots and were only good with 1 or 2 of the relics.

Is this still the case or is having all 3 relics for vendetta best?

Vendetta relics are the best regardless of your legendaries now.

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Would it be safe to say you would need +30 ilvls on Vial of Ceaseless Toxins for it to be an upgrade over convergence of fates?  Or is it just 935+, asking for a friend who doesn't own a mythic Convergence :P.

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On 6/20/2017 at 1:09 AM, Freshkope said:

Would it be safe to say you would need +30 ilvls on Vial of Ceaseless Toxins for it to be an upgrade over convergence of fates?  Or is it just 935+, asking for a friend who doesn't own a mythic Convergence :P.

930 Toxins is better than 900 CoF.

At higher item levels the gap closes somewhat. A 955 Toxins is about the same as a 945 CoF.

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Guest Titecoukine

Hi guys, i have 2 vendetta relics 895, and i got a new one 910 but with a shitty bonus, is this better to keep the vendetta 895 or put the 910? i don't know if we still have to keep our vendetta relics no matter the ilvl

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20 minutes ago, Guest Titecoukine said:

Hi guys, i have 2 vendetta relics 895, and i got a new one 910 but with a shitty bonus, is this better to keep the vendetta 895 or put the 910? i don't know if we still have to keep our vendetta relics no matter the ilvl

What's the other trait?

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