Assassination Rogue 7.3

[RiskbreakerBG 0]

Hey there! I love the guide, it helped me alot. It's little early to ask, but will Tier 21 increase the value of critical strike rating above versatility? 

[Valks 2,375]

3 hours ago, RiskbreakerBG said:

Hey there! I love the guide, it helped me alot. It's little early to ask, but will Tier 21 increase the value of critical strike rating above versatility? 

This will depend heavily on the chance of proc. If it's too low, you'll just ignore 4-piece and go for better off-pieces, I assume. As for the stat change, we won't know until we can sim it (we can't atm).

[Guest xing]

sub/outlaw uppdatet where is assassin uppdate ? :/

[Guest Wiin]

When this guide will update ?

thanks for effort btw 

[Carrn 284]

9 hours ago, Guest Wiin said:

When this guide will update ?

thanks for effort btw 

It was updated yesterday

[Guest Wiin]

On 12/1/2017 at 7:53 AM, Carrn said:

It was updated yesterday

So stat priority still the same and crit is not more valuable even with T21 ?

[Carrn 284]

6 hours ago, Guest Wiin said:

So stat priority still the same and crit is not more valuable even with T21 ?

It doesn't really surprise me that much that the stat priorities don't change. 

Even without stacking Crit, I'm pretty comfortable at 37%. Adding 35% to that is 72% chance to Crit, which ends up being a pretty regular thing

[Xaethron 36]

Im really not understanding the trinket list. Half the trinkets are lower ilvl than what Tomb of Sargeras drops. Shadow-Singed Fangs has about 50% uptime for both stats and the critical strike is almost double what is given by Eye of Command at ilvl 930. The Arcano Crystal is also listed but that is not even ilvl900. You'd think that Aman thus vision would at least be listed as the best pure stat trinket even if its hard to get. Also is Seeping Scourgewing not better than the Dread Reflection trinket from ToS?

[Carrn 284]

On 16/12/2017 at 9:31 PM, Xaethron said:

Im really not understanding the trinket list. Half the trinkets are lower ilvl than what Tomb of Sargeras drops. Shadow-Singed Fangs has about 50% uptime for both stats and the critical strike is almost double what is given by Eye of Command at ilvl 930. The Arcano Crystal is also listed but that is not even ilvl900. You'd think that Aman thus vision would at least be listed as the best pure stat trinket even if its hard to get. Also is Seeping Scourgewing not better than the Dread Reflection trinket from ToS?

While it does look like some of the info on that page needs to be updated, the trinkets look alright to me for the most part. You should remember that trinkets are listed for Single Target only, and are given assuming equal ilevels. What this means is that if you get a 930 Arcanocrystal, it will be better than a vast majority of the trinkets available to you otherwise.

Fang with 50% uptime on 200% the Crit and Agi means that it averages out to be the same thing as Eye. For single target, the consistency of Eye is very nice, although I would swap it out for a Fang the moment you have to change targets because you'd lose the stacks.

Arcano was addressed above, you'd be very very lucky to Titanforge one to the point where it's competitive with a 945 trinket from the current raid.

Amanthul's isn't great when compared to Golganneth's, and I assume it was left off the list because you can only equip one of them. Given a 1000 ilevel Golganneth and Amanthul, I would use Golg. What you should remember about Amanthul is that it doesn't actually offer any main stat unless it's empowered, which is (especially right now, as people still pick up trinkets) unlikely. Rogues still care more about Agi than secondary stats, and the standard bonus for Amanthuls only offers tertiary stats as its proc. Golganneth's procs all the time, and adds a tremendous amount of damage, particularly when it's empowered (every white hit adding extra damage is incredible on a class with 1.8 speed weapons like Rogues).

Again, Scourgewing by default is almost guaranteed to be better than a regular Specter, but again when you look at equal ilevel, Specter will likely pull far ahead due to the Agi it offers instead of the Vers

[Guest Earache]

I wish to know if there is a %cap for mastery, I haven’t seen it mentioned in any of the guides. 

[Valks 2,375]

3 hours ago, Guest Earache said:

I wish to know if there is a %cap for mastery, I haven’t seen it mentioned in any of the guides. 

Rather than aiming for a static cap, you should look into simming yourself and checking when/if Mastery drops below your first priority.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

[Luckyone 1]

On 12/18/2017 at 2:05 PM, Carrn said:

While it does look like some of the info on that page needs to be updated,

they really need to be updated ! most of the guide is still all about tomb or even nighthold and they're the main parts like talents, stats, legendaries and boss strategies ! I don't think it takes that much time to review and correct the guide ! many more experienced players check the logs to find these kinda stuff but it's nice to have them clear and explained for newer rogue players too !

[Valks 2,375]

On 12/22/2017 at 12:28 PM, Luckyone said:

they really need to be updated ! most of the guide is still all about tomb or even nighthold and they're the main parts like talents, stats, legendaries and boss strategies ! I don't think it takes that much time to review and correct the guide ! many more experienced players check the logs to find these kinda stuff but it's nice to have them clear and explained for newer rogue players too !

I've made a note for Furty to update the errors.

[Carrn 284]

It appears as though there's a new opener for Assassination. I'm not home to confirm it for a bit more than a week, but I figured I'd pop in and let you know @Blainie since it's a pretty well-documented thing already.

Basically if you run Nightstalker and open with Poison Knife (highest success chance is to be inside the boss' hitbox, such as after Shadowstep), your Deadly Poison will have the bonus damage for the entire duration of the fight due to it not actually re-applying a new version of the debuff and simply refreshing the current one.

Pretty sure it's a bug, but it might be worth updating the guide for

[Valks 2,375]

16 hours ago, Carrn said:

Pretty sure it's a bug, but it might be worth updating the guide for

Letting Furty know, thanks!

[Guest Laser]

21 hours ago, Carrn said:

It appears as though there's a new opener for Assassination. I'm not home to confirm it for a bit more than a week, but I figured I'd pop in and let you know @Blainie since it's a pretty well-documented thing already.

Basically if you run Nightstalker and open with Poison Knife (highest success chance is to be inside the boss' hitbox, such as after Shadowstep), your Deadly Poison will have the bonus damage for the entire duration of the fight due to it not actually re-applying a new version of the debuff and simply refreshing the current one.

Pretty sure it's a bug, but it might be worth updating the guide for

Pretty sure they hot-fixed this yesterday - WHILE I was confirming it on my rogue, no less! At first, it was working as you describe. But I kept testing it to make sure that it lasted for a long duration if I kept Deadly Poison refreshed, and suddenly it stopped working altogether.

Now it properly increases the damage of Poison Knife, and Deadly Poison deals normal (non-increased) damage from the moment it is first applied.

[Valks 2,375]

3 minutes ago, Guest Laser said:

Pretty sure they hot-fixed this yesterday - WHILE I was confirming it on my rogue, no less! At first, it was working as you describe. But I kept testing it to make sure that it lasted for a long duration if I kept Deadly Poison refreshed, and suddenly it stopped working altogether.

Now it properly increases the damage of Poison Knife, and Deadly Poison deals normal (non-increased) damage from the moment it is first applied.

Just took a look in the Assassination discord, it seems like this is the case. Oh well! Looks like Blizzard got on it before we did!

[Carrn 284]

1 minute ago, Blainie said:

Just took a look in the Assassination discord, it seems like this is the case. Oh well! Looks like Blizzard got on it before we did!

Booo. Ah well, I don't mind missing opportunities to exploit bugs lol

[Valks 2,375]

29 minutes ago, Carrn said:

Booo. Ah well, I don't mind missing opportunities to exploit bugs lol

Apparently there's an FoK bug still out there somewhere that's yet to be fixed - go go go!

[Guest Rascal]

Hi

How Nightstalker is better than Subterfuge with T21 ? Both talents are very close to each other.

 

[Carrn 284]

On 19/01/2018 at 8:34 PM, Guest Rascal said:

Hi

How Nightstalker is better than Subterfuge with T21 ? Both talents are very close to each other.

 

The damage you can get with the Mantle legendary is higher due to the 100% crit chance for a truly massive Envenom hit, however without the Shoulders it's still pretty close. I typically stayed with Nightstalker in order to snapshot a fat Rupture on a boss with the bonus damage, but Subterfuge is certainly nicer in multi target situations when you can get more Garrotes out 

[Guest Hellsing]

I have a question, on the Hunter Guide are BIS Relic's too. Why i cant see BIS Relic's for Assa Rogue ?

[Valks 2,375]

On 2/28/2018 at 1:30 AM, Guest Hellsing said:

I have a question, on the Hunter Guide are BIS Relic's too. Why i cant see BIS Relic's for Assa Rogue ?

The BiS relics for Assa are a bit more difficult to deal with due to the Master Assassin Relic. It's either a useless or game-breakingly good relic, depending on fight length.

[Carrn 284]

On 28/02/2018 at 12:30 AM, Guest Hellsing said:

I have a question, on the Hunter Guide are BIS Relic's too. Why i cant see BIS Relic's for Assa Rogue ?

To follow up on what Blainie said, here's a screencap of my stat weights for my Crucible traits. If you look at them, you'll notice that the completely randomized 2nd tier has a HUGE impact on the strength of a relic, to the point of being stronger than the majority of primary or tertiary traits, meaning that a BiS list of relics for Rogues is effectively 100% useless.

[Furty 51]

On 2/27/2018 at 7:30 PM, Guest Hellsing said:

I have a question, on the Hunter Guide are BIS Relic's too. Why i cant see BIS Relic's for Assa Rogue ?

 

2 hours ago, Carrn said:

To follow up on what Blainie said, here's a screencap of my stat weights for my Crucible traits. If you look at them, you'll notice that the completely randomized 2nd tier has a HUGE impact on the strength of a relic, to the point of being stronger than the majority of primary or tertiary traits, meaning that a BiS list of relics for Rogues is effectively 100% useless.

I have a general listing under Artifact and Crucible pages, of course, but as Carrn and Blainie have explained, there can be a high degree of variance. I recommend using the raidbots tool Relic Compare whenever you need to determine whether a new relic is an upgrade. It should take you less than a minute to figure out how to use and is an invaluable tool for raiders.