Subtlety Rogue 7.3

[Furty 51]

5 hours ago, Guest Nxs said:

Hi, there seems to be either something missing from the First of the Dead Opening Sequences  section (4.2) or I'm misunderstanding something. How am I supposed to apply Nightblade without performing any CP generating abilities first?

Cast Shadowstrike before applying Nightblade. 

[Guest Anteater]

Hi, I am confused about entering SD at 3 combo points, if shadowstrike gives 2x combo points and the rotation says to shadowstrike twice before eviscerate that makes 7 combo points seems like a waste of a combo point or should we be running with anticipation ? as the build page has us using the talent that gives us a potential 6 combo points.

[Valks 2,375]

16 hours ago, Guest Anteater said:

Hi, I am confused about entering SD at 3 combo points, if shadowstrike gives 2x combo points and the rotation says to shadowstrike twice before eviscerate that makes 7 combo points seems like a waste of a combo point or should we be running with anticipation ? as the build page has us using the talent that gives us a potential 6 combo points.

It is to ensure a maximum damage Evis is used, rather than a 5-point one. Losing that CP doesn't matter at that point, since you'll get the energy return on using Evis with 6-CP.

[Guest Dachdabdagger]

Hey,
Would it be better to change a Legendary with bad stats, in my case the vigor ring, with a main stat ring?
I´m not really sure but i think to swap out rings wouldn´t be bad since they dont provide agility to profit from.

 

[ddkil 3]

Also, I dont know if this is just for me but in all my sims lately Engine of eradication has  been better than Vial of Ceaseless Toxins for a good margin (both paired with Specter of Betrayal) though it is listed below for quite a bit in the guide.

[LuCk3r 0]

So Im pretty much a newb to WoW, but since patch 7.2.5. they changed SD.. How do I keep my 2 charges up??? I keep running out of them, am I not supposed to use them right away and rather use Backstab to gain combo points, use a finisher to get some of the CD off of it?

[Carrn 284]

20 hours ago, LuCk3r said:

So Im pretty much a newb to WoW, but since patch 7.2.5. they changed SD.. How do I keep my 2 charges up??? I keep running out of them, am I not supposed to use them right away and rather use Backstab to gain combo points, use a finisher to get some of the CD off of it?

As you build and spend Combo Points (CP) you will reduce the cooldown on Shadow Dance by a few seconds for each point. It doesn't matter which skills build or spend them 

• Backstab will give you 1CP, Shuriken Storm will give you 1CP per target hit, and Shadowstrike will give you 2CP (but you can only use this while Shadow Dance or Stealth is active).
• Eviscerate or Nightblade will spend all of the CP you have accumulated, and as you spend these CP the cooldown (cd) on Shadow Dance (SD) will be reduced

You aren't meant to always have SD running

Does that help? 

[LuCk3r 0]

On 9.10.2017 at 3:13 PM, Carrn said:

As you build and spend Combo Points (CP) you will reduce the cooldown on Shadow Dance by a few seconds for each point. It doesn't matter which skills build or spend them 

• Backstab will give you 1CP, Shuriken Storm will give you 1CP per target hit, and Shadowstrike will give you 2CP (but you can only use this while Shadow Dance or Stealth is active).
• Eviscerate or Nightblade will spend all of the CP you have accumulated, and as you spend these CP the cooldown (cd) on Shadow Dance (SD) will be reduced

You aren't meant to always have SD running

Does that help? 

Kinda.

Im aware of the mechanic behind getting some of the CD off of SD, but doesnt that mean a huge dmg loss?

[Carrn 284]

11 hours ago, LuCk3r said:

Kinda.

Im aware of the mechanic behind getting some of the CD off of SD, but doesnt that mean a huge dmg loss?

Doesn't what mean a huge damage loss? I'm sorry if I'm confused, but I think I'm missing something

[LuCk3r 0]

10 hours ago, Carrn said:

Doesn't what mean a huge damage loss? I'm sorry if I'm confused, but I think I'm missing something

Not being in SD in longer fights, for example boss fights. Using finishers to get CD off of SD is cool, but once im depleted of my SD charges I have to use backstab to use finisher and get more CD off SD. Is that right? I kinda thought im doing something wrong since ~30% off the time (bossfight) I wont be in SD.

[Carrn 284]

On 14/10/2017 at 1:40 AM, LuCk3r said:

Not being in SD in longer fights, for example boss fights. Using finishers to get CD off of SD is cool, but once im depleted of my SD charges I have to use backstab to use finisher and get more CD off SD. Is that right? I kinda thought im doing something wrong since ~30% off the time (bossfight) I wont be in SD.

No, that's exactly right. You can't use your cooldowns all the time, Sub is about maximising your burst windows and stacking all of the damage that you can into them

[ddkil 3]

Guys,what loot spec is the best to choose when opening weekly chests?I am so fed up with that haste bullcrap (when subtletly loot spec is active).I literally now have 3 useless titanforged 950 gear pieces with haste that are worse than my current 920-930 pieces.I think i am gonna try assa next week.Blizzard thinks haste is the best stat for sub apparently.

[Carrn 284]

4 hours ago, ddkil said:

Guys,what loot spec is the best to choose when opening weekly chests?I am so fed up with that haste bullcrap (when subtletly loot spec is active).I literally now have 3 useless titanforged 950 gear pieces with haste that are worse than my current 920-930 pieces.I think i am gonna try assa next week.Blizzard thinks haste is the best stat for sub apparently.

It won't give you BiS stat items lol, it isn't designed to. All the leather armor and all the trinkets are shared for the loot tables that Rogues have - really the only difference is legendaries and relics, and even then a decent number of the relics are shared

If you think about it, your weekly chest is very unlikely to give you something that you want. It can give you any item from any dungeon that you could possibly pick up, there's no way to control it at all. I ended up sharding probably 18 of the last 20 pieces I picked up from my weekly chest.

 

[ddkil 3]

2 hours ago, Carrn said:

If you think about it, your weekly chest is very unlikely to give you something that you want. It can give you any item from any dungeon that you could possibly pick up, there's no way to control it at all. I ended up sharding probably 18 of the last 20 pieces I picked up from my weekly chest.

Ok,i see how it is now.I haven't gotten anything usefull in months as well.Everything that drops has haste on it (and when i played outlaw it usually dropped mastery) thats why I assumed it had something to do with a spec.

Thats so frustrating to dismantle 950 items...In the moments like these I wish we had reforging like in good old days lol.

[Guest Weakends]

Hi, I have a question on what the optimal AoE rotation/process for a mythic + for example? Shuriken Storm, Nightblading adds, DFA/Evis? Id just like to hear from someone how to tighten it up and what would be ideal. thanks in advance

[Carrn 284]

8 hours ago, Guest Weakends said:

Hi, I have a question on what the optimal AoE rotation/process for a mythic + for example? Shuriken Storm, Nightblading adds, DFA/Evis? Id just like to hear from someone how to tighten it up and what would be ideal. thanks in advance

Yeah, Storm everything, hit your main target with Nightblade, then spam out Evis / DfA.

Don't be afraid to use Shadow Dance on trash, especially if it will come back up in time for the next boss

[Guest Tom]

Here is a better macro for Shadowstrike and Shadow dance:

#showtooltip
/cast [stealth][stance:1][stance:2] Shadowstrike; [nostance] Shadow Dance;

 

[Valks 2,375]

On 11/7/2017 at 5:56 AM, Guest Tom said:

Here is a better macro for Shadowstrike and Shadow dance:

#showtooltip
/cast [stealth][stance:1][stance:2] Shadowstrike; [nostance] Shadow Dance;

 

I'll pass it on! :)

[ddkil 3]

Quite interesting switch up with t21.But I still kinda dont understand why crit/mastery takes up the upper hand over vers/mastery after acquairing t21 4 pieces.?Also all of a sudden rings are bis'es now ?! Is it because of high amount of cleave encounters in the antorus? Please explain :D

And I am a bit sad that there are not so much good trinkets for us in antorus...

Edited November 29, 2017 by ddkil

[Carrn 284]

5 hours ago, ddkil said:

Quite interesting switch up with t21.But I still kinda dont understand why crit/mastery takes up the upper hand over vers/mastery after acquairing t21 4 pieces.?Also all of a sudden rings are bis'es now ?! Is it because of high amount of cleave encounters in the antorus? Please explain :D

And I am a bit sad that there are not so much good trinkets for us in antorus...

So a couple things are going to happen that will influence Legendary choice, especially right now:

1. Mantle is not bad all of a sudden. It's still very strong. You don't use the rings until you get the 4-set anyways.
2. We cast a lot more Backstabs
3. 4pc t21 + 2pc t20 is very very good

The third one is the easiest to explain: using the Shoulders takes up a possible slot where we can use a 6-piece set. Being able to combine the extra damage from SoD (the t20 2-piece) with the cooldown reduction on that skill (t21 2-piece) is really nice.

In previous tiers, we avoided using Backstab as much as possible. It didn't have a point, because it did so little damage and gave us no other bonuses, preferring Shuriken Storm any time there was a second target in the area. Now, with the 4pc, Backstab has a very important role. A chance to refund every CP we spend is no joke, so we'll be using that a lot more

With more casts of Backstab comes an (obvious) increase in damage from that skill. Gloomblade is an easy way to not only buff the damage (through better scaling and ignoring armour) but also to no longer have a positioning requirement.

The new legendary ranking is basically a reflection of all of that. We're using more Single Target CP builders and more Energy in general, and being able to combine set bonuses

[ddkil 3]

1 hour ago, Carrn said:

The new legendary ranking is basically a reflection of all of that. We're using more Single Target CP builders and more Energy in general, and being able to combine set bonuses

Thanks alot for the explanation.But I have more questions :)

So,once I acquire 4 peace of t21,i should try to combine it with 2 piece of t20?And start to aim for the crit as a main stat right? (assuming I have both rings,which I have).Also within what ilvl difference is it worth to use t20 pieces over new gear?

And the last question,how good is Forgefiends Fabricator trinket?I just got it as 930,but I am currently using spectral+EoE both 925?

[Carrn 284]

17 hours ago, ddkil said:

Thanks alot for the explanation.But I have more questions :)

So,once I acquire 4 peace of t21,i should try to combine it with 2 piece of t20?And start to aim for the crit as a main stat right? (assuming I have both rings,which I have).Also within what ilvl difference is it worth to use t20 pieces over new gear?

And the last question,how good is Forgefiends Fabricator trinket?I just got it as 930,but I am currently using spectral+EoE both 925?

Forgefiends is really lacklustre, I'd avoid using it

Yes, you should try and run 4pc t21 and 2pc t20. As for ilevel differences I don't know off the top of my head, Sims should be able to help you there

[ddkil 3]

How to correctly use dreadlords deceit?Should it always be used with 30 stacks and with SD+SoD?

I've seen logs from High command,portal keeper and eonar where most dps rogues used mantle+cloak but I personally cant use it at all.Mobs spawn too often for cloak to justify itself.Id rather just spam suriken storm in order to obtain CPs to extend my shadow blades (with bracers) or even use something else as a legendary,at least on high command and portal keeper for sure.

Edited December 4, 2017 by ddkil

[Silvya 0]

Well each of your shuriken storm will benefit from at least one stack of the cloak..

[ddkil 3]

34 minutes ago, Silvya said:

Well each of your shuriken storm will benefit from at least one stack of the cloak..

That is obvious,but is it worth tho?I dont know about that.There is probably more rational use of cloak besides spaming it with 1 stack.

Edited December 4, 2017 by ddkil