Subtlety Rogue 7.3

[Drin 1]

You should make an effort to enter  Shadow Dance with 3 Combo Points. This allows our 3rd global inside  Shadow Dance to be a finisher (ideally  Eviscerate), which will return 30-36 Energy (depending on Combo Points) and help sustain our dance. Entering dance with the correct amount of Combo Points ensures we get a full power  Eviscerate and maximum Energy return from our passive. A typical  Shadow Dance (without Subterfuge) will look like:

1.  Shadowstrike.
2.  Shadowstrike.
3.  Eviscerate.
4. Cast  Shadowstrike.

If we enter Shadow Dance with 3 combo points, and we use 2 Shadowstrikes, don't we overlap combo points? 3 + 2 + 2 = 7, and I only have 6. OR does it mean that we want more Shadowstrikes and we use Eviscerate only to generate energy so we get to use one more Shadowstrike? Since energy is more important in Shadow Dance than combo points?  So without Eviscerate we can fit in 2 shadowstrikes, but with Eviscerate we fit 3 Shadowstrikes + 1 Eviscerate. Thats how at least I understood it. Thanks alot for the great guide!

 

[Valks 2,375]

17 hours ago, Willgenberg said:

If we enter Shadow Dance with 3 combo points, and we use 2 Shadowstrikes, don't we overlap combo points? 3 + 2 + 2 = 7, and I only have 6. OR does it mean that we want more Shadowstrikes and we use Eviscerate only to generate energy so we get to use one more Shadowstrike? Since energy is more important in Shadow Dance than combo points?  So without Eviscerate we can fit in 2 shadowstrikes, but with Eviscerate we fit 3 Shadowstrikes + 1 Eviscerate. Thats how at least I understood it. Thanks alot for the great guide!

Exactly this. 

[Guest Skeler]

This guide seems to be very out of date. You can't use Shadow Dance mid-DfA anymore, I've tried several times. 

 

It says Sub is the weakest spec, but it's top rogue spec by a lot in logs in almost every fight in Antorus. 

[Carrn 284]

9 hours ago, Guest Skeler said:

This guide seems to be very out of date. You can't use Shadow Dance mid-DfA anymore, I've tried several times. 

Yes you can. You don't use it in the middle, you use it as you finish coming down but before the Evis animation happens. Basically as soon as you start coming down spam it and it will happen.

9 hours ago, Guest Skeler said:

It says Sub is the weakest spec, but it's top rogue spec by a lot in logs in almost every fight in Antorus. 

Honestly it isn't. You can check the Warcraft Logs rankings page for Heroic and Mythic, and you'll notice that Assassination is running away with the field except on a couple specific bosses. Additionally, if you look at the statistics for 75th percentile for Mythic and Heroic you'll notice the same thing.

All 3 Rogue specs are good at different things - it just so happens that Assassination's damage model fits the current raid better in more situations than the other 2. Both Sub and Outlaw are absolutely viable though, I've performed well on each one in the current tier

[Valks 2,375]

On 3/8/2018 at 7:46 PM, Carrn said:

Honestly it isn't. You can check the Warcraft Logs rankings page for Heroic and Mythic, and you'll notice that Assassination is running away with the field except on a couple specific bosses. Additionally, if you look at the statistics for 75th percentile for Mythic and Heroic you'll notice the same thing.

All 3 Rogue specs are good at different things - it just so happens that Assassination's damage model fits the current raid better in more situations than the other 2. Both Sub and Outlaw are absolutely viable though, I've performed well on each one in the current tier

I think it's also fair to say that, if you ignore Assassination and want to perform at that top-log level, you're more likely to on many fights by going Outlaw and waiting for those good RNG pulls. I agree that Sub isn't bad, but it's worse than lucky Outlaw and Assassination. 

[Guest RogueOne]

What is the best talents to use in Mythic plus situations?

[Carrn 284]

15 hours ago, Guest RogueOne said:

What is the best talents to use in Mythic plus situations?

Rogue talents don't really change much from one situation to another. I run the same standard build

 

[Valks 2,375]

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