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Guest Shishikyu

Woops! I just downloaded the latest nightly and it's a 7.2.5 build. But when used on the latest 7.2.0 build I got fairly similar results between those trinket combinations.

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Guest Shishikyu

Off-topic: cool to see you're also from Kazzak, Fardion. Similar gear and progress as well! 

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On 6/10/2017 at 2:05 PM, Guest Shishikyu said:

As we can see, with a mere 10 ilvl difference, Entwined does a 10.000 dps (10k) more than my Faulty on ST.

Okay, so - you used a 450 second fight from what I can see, correct? Faulty Countermeasure runs on a 2 minute cooldown, meaning you have unfortunately simmed it in the perfect spot to actually make it worse than normal.

FC would be up on the following time stamps:

  • 0 seconds, using it on pull.
  • 120 seconds
  • 240 seconds
  • 360 seconds
  • 480 seconds

As you can see, you are perfectly in the time zone where it's essentially just a Crit stat stick for 90 seconds, rather than getting that last use out of it. If you change the fight to include that final use of the trinket, I am fairly certain it would be back in its top position.

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On 6/10/2017 at 2:07 PM, Guest Shishikyu said:

Woops! I just downloaded the latest nightly and it's a 7.2.5 build. But when used on the latest 7.2.0 build I got fairly similar results between those trinket combinations.

Try a test altering the time of the fight and check out my post above. Should help, I hope! :)

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On 6/10/2017 at 2:17 PM, Guest Shishikyu said:

Off-topic: cool to see you're also from Kazzak, Fardion. Similar gear and progress as well! 

Is this where I say I am also from Kazzak?

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We are currently in the process of updating our guides in preparation for the release of 7.2.5 - all questions about "What is better for 7.2.5, X or Y?" will be answered in our guide updates. Thanks for your patience while we get everything completed and good luck in the new patch!

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On 6/10/2017 at 5:05 PM, Guest Shishikyu said:

I have read that whole post, hence my post here. Please point me the section to look at then because I seem to miss your point... From the data on icy-veins and on thesilverhand I am led to believe a 895 Faulty would destroy a 905 Entwined on Single Target. 

 

Sure!

SimulationCraft 725-01
for World of Warcraft 7.2.5 Live (wow build level 24287, git build 8e93b67)
Iterations: 30003  | Fight Length: 450 | Fight Style: Patchwerk

(For all three sims)

1: Entwined + CoF: Shishikyu : 893312 dps. 
TXT File: https://pastebin.com/zuAQNXru  
HTML Output: https://file.io/x8h5k6 

2. Faulty + CoF: Shishikyu : 883787 dps.
TXT File: https://pastebin.com/L0Whv9J1 
HTML Output: https://file.io/J5ay3Z 

3. Faulty + Entwined: Shishikyu : 881027 dps.
TXT File: https://pastebin.com/56LtcdkC 
HTML Output: https://file.io/PP0RiN 

As we can see, with a mere 10 ilvl difference, Entwined does a 10.000 dps (10k) more than my Faulty on ST.

 

Well ofcourse CoF+FCM is bad? fcm is a 2 minutes cd that's best used with wings, cof reduces the wings cd :thinking:

So basically since you can't use fcm with wings while having CoF, it's value plummets down.

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On 6/12/2017 at 0:38 PM, Farion said:

Well ofcourse CoF+FCM is bad? fcm is a 2 minutes cd that's best used with wings, cof reduces the wings cd :thinking:

So basically since you can't use fcm with wings while having CoF, it's value plummets down.

Would you say it was additionally a poor choice of fight time, given that it eliminates the last use of Faulty? Just wondering if I was wrong in what I said!

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1 hour ago, Blainie said:

Would you say it was additionally a poor choice of fight time, given that it eliminates the last use of Faulty? Just wondering if I was wrong in what I said!

well if the boss dies in less than 2 minutes then it's good :v).

the idea of FCM+COF being bad is that, fcm's stats scales with crusade.

having CoF reduces the time of wings will make it impossible to align the cd of wings with fcm hence the value of fcm drops.

 

any way if fcm is not 940 then its not worth your time, let them focus on the ToS trinkets :v)

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Guest Gold

Hey Guys

Can anyone tell me why Liadrin's Fury Unleashed is such a legendary best now?

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On 2016-7-19 at 1:29 AM, Damien said:

This thread is for comments about our Retribution Paladin guide for Legion.

I've been my whole life playing with retribution paladin and I think that the choices for legendary items are partially wrong, the ring (Liadrin's fury unleashed) is a good legendary but not the best one at all. The new one which is going to benefit all pally's with the proc talent (if you are holy or retri) it's one hundred times better than anyone as you'll have procs as well as incoming damage from the crusade talent. Noticing that with the uploading of the new content, the legendary order should be more especific as there will be ideal ones for mythic+ and others for raid.

 

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9 hours ago, Guest Gold said:

Hey Guys

Can anyone tell me why Liadrin's Fury Unleashed is such a legendary best now?

As far as I am aware, the top 3 are incredibly close together and, as said in the guide, any combination of the 3 could work very well.

As for why, I'll leave that to @Farion!

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4 hours ago, Guest Pinpar said:

I've been my whole life playing with retribution paladin and I think that the choices for legendary items are partially wrong, the ring (Liadrin's fury unleashed) is a good legendary but not the best one at all.

As with above, leaving this to Farion.

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13 hours ago, Guest Pinpar said:

I've been my whole life playing with retribution paladin and I think that the choices for legendary items are partially wrong, the ring (Liadrin's fury unleashed) is a good legendary but not the best one at all. The new one which is going to benefit all pally's with the proc talent (if you are holy or retri) it's one hundred times better than anyone as you'll have procs as well as incoming damage from the crusade talent. Noticing that with the uploading of the new content, the legendary order should be more especific as there will be ideal ones for mythic+ and others for raid.

 

You see, you're right now feelcrafting which wont work any where.

What i put there is based on Math, and countless simulations results.

Highly advisable  to join the Official paladin discord channel :v)

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Guest Ivresse

Is there a reason the talents guide is saying Fires of Justice is best talent for 3+ mobs in the summary segment, when the main section about that tier states mass judgement as best?

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17 hours ago, Guest Ivresse said:

Is there a reason the talents guide is saying Fires of Justice is best talent for 3+ mobs in the summary segment, when the main section about that tier states mass judgement as best?

because you can't combo Dh with gr as you wont be able to dps properly with both of them

and tfoj allows you to spam ds more often

and your trait already spread judgement so gj is almost useless atm.

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Hey, why is soul of the highlord so low on the list?, isnt it a very good combo whit the cloak and crusade?

Wont it improve our dps outside of our burst?

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4 hours ago, Darpus said:

Hey, why is soul of the highlord so low on the list?, isnt it a very good combo whit the cloak and crusade?

Wont it improve our dps outside of our burst?

Nope, stats are bad for us and the sims showed that it's bad as well.

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Guest Nolove

So i got cape, chain , Shoulders and Liadrin which combo

is the best from your personnal preference? Thanks in Advance

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1 hour ago, Guest Nolove said:

So i got cape, chain , Shoulders and Liadrin which combo

is the best from your personnal preference? Thanks in Advance

cape+chain, and when you get ToS 4 set then liadrin+belt.

altho highly recommended to sim your self to know which 2 are best for you.

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Guest Dunes

Need to update loot table, Tier chest does not drop from KJ

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On 14.6.2017 at 2:48 AM, Blainie said:

As far as I am aware, the top 3 are incredibly close together and, as said in the guide, any combination of the 3 could work very well.

As for why, I'll leave that to @Farion!

Iam asking cause i hot cloak, chain, liadrin and ashes to dust. So i warnt to maximise my DPS thats the Point. Would bei honest of You can make Theresa a Difference for meine. And Nice Guide dudes. Good Job.

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On 6/22/2017 at 3:08 PM, Guest Dunes said:

Need to update loot table, Tier chest does not drop from KJ

This has been updated :)

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On 6/23/2017 at 9:53 AM, Guest Nolove said:

Iam asking cause i hot cloak, chain, liadrin and ashes to dust. So i warnt to maximise my DPS thats the Point. Would bei honest of You can make Theresa a Difference for meine. And Nice Guide dudes. Good Job.

To know for sure, simming your character with the different combinations will work best, honestly. I would assume that Liadrin's + Chain will be top, but it could be different for you.

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I've read everything I think and I'm more confused than ever. Should I go for gear with haste higher than mastery or mastery over haste?

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