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On 12/3/2016 at 0:11 PM, Fedie said:

this is an excellent point. I find myself at a different stage, although raiding its awesome I can.  Which I guess we can call it another type of progression.

So as Destro lock trying to clear trash very fast to beat timers and really working on learning how to AoE more than 2 targets. I can say Channel Demon Fire comes to help. 

My current strategy for a 5 mob wich CDF and GS will be Havoc->Immolate 4 times->Rain of fire->channel demon fire, by then I find myself wishing for shards so I cast conf in a target a couple times if needed but the main goal is to keep rain of fire and shards up until next CDF CD is up and at the same time watching for immolates.  This is super busy but it's doing the job as I find myself higher up on DPS chart whereas  I was at the bottom with the previous build.  This is most likely apply to 5 men mythic + progression only as everything is happening so fast.

I appreciate any pointers on Destro AoE specifically managing CD and Shards with CDF

 

Channel Demonfire is *really* bad on AoE as it has a fixed number of bolts no matter the number of targets (meaning it does the exact same damage on single target).

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Guest Haeidi

Hey Furty, how good is Wriggling Sinew for warlocks? Can't find it in the trinket list, is it really that bad?

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Guest Graby

Hello there. Fist off thank you for the guide. I have been coming here for 4 years for info on my classes. 

I was wondering in the talent section the guides says to take Back Draft after getting 31+ Artifact point and if less than that taking Roaring Blaze. can you explain this a bit?

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On 12/16/2016 at 3:58 PM, Guest Haeidi said:

Hey Furty, how good is Wriggling Sinew for warlocks? Can't find it in the trinket list, is it really that bad?

Will double check this.

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Will this guide be updated for 7.1.5? Really could use some help figuring out what talents I need to spec into for what bosses going forward. 

Thanks! 

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1 hour ago, Kevinlock said:

Will this guide be updated for 7.1.5? Really could use some help figuring out what talents I need to spec into for what bosses going forward. 

Thanks! 

It will be, yes.

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The guides are currently being updated for 7.1.5! I just wanted to leave a few notes for all of our users that might be getting ready to leave a comment:

  • Some pages do not require updates. The "Last Updated" stat does not mean the page is out of date, it might just not have needed any changes. If you feel that it does, leave a comment telling us what needs changing and why.
  • The process will not happen immediately - some guides will be updated faster than others simply due to the number of resources available. Be patient, they'll be ready when you need them!
  • There might be some continuity errors when making small adjustments to large guide pages. If you do find one of these, just let us know in the comments and we'll get it fixed ASAP.
  • "Why have you not taken into account X buff to X ability?" - remember, just because something got buffed, it doesn't mean it is now automatically better than the other options!

As always, we want to thank you all for being patient while we get things updated and I'm always available to help you all if you need it :)

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12 minutes ago, Blainie said:

It will be, yes.

Outstanding! Thank you so much! Really appreciate all the hard work making these guides and updating with each patch! 

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Just now, Blainie said:

The guides are currently being updated for 7.1.5! I just wanted to leave a few notes for all of our users that might be getting ready to leave a comment:

  • Some pages do not require updates. The "Last Updated" stat does not mean the page is out of date, it might just not have needed any changes. If you feel that it does, leave a comment telling us what needs changing and why.
  • The process will not happen immediately - some guides will be updated faster than others simply due to the number of resources available. Be patient, they'll be ready when you need them!
  • There might be some continuity errors when making small adjustments to large guide pages. If you do find one of these, just let us know in the comments and we'll get it fixed ASAP.
  • "Why have you not taken into account X buff to X ability?" - remember, just because something got buffed, it doesn't mean it is now automatically better than the other options!

As always, we want to thank you all for being patient while we get things updated and I'm always available to help you all if you need it :)

Yeah Destro is going to be one of those specs that will probably require quite alot of updating to the Guide as we got our talents all changed around. Whats going to be used for Single Target and Multi Target is going to be changed all around. Which is why I love Icy Veins and the staff/mods/community for these guides as I know they take a lot of hard work to make. 

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Guest helldozer

I am wondering if you ppl read what you write after you write it. The recommendation on a talent in the first sentence and then a direct contradiction in the following sentence makes me feel like i am reading something from a *removed*. Please let me know if you need examples as they are numerous.

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1 hour ago, Guest helldozer said:

I am wondering if you ppl read what you write after you write it. The recommendation on a talent in the first sentence and then a direct contradiction in the following sentence makes me feel like i am reading something from a *removed*. Please let me know if you need examples as they are numerous.

Edited your comment to remove the unnecessary reference to someone with a mental disability.

As for the content of the comment, yes, examples would definitely be helpful. As you may have noticed, and as said in my comment above, our team has been working late into the night to try update the guides while working with patch notes that have been changing and lacking certain information that guide writers needed. If there are examples of what you are seeing, then tell us so that we can actually work to fix them, thanks.

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Guest Bibby Bloxberg

All in all great guide, Thank you, use it lot. Only point, that is described a little irritating after the update:

Speccs:

4. Tier 2

 

Still guess now life tap is #1

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The Destro guide needs some editing updates, and here are some examples you requested:

Tier 2 Talents:  The text has been updated to reflect the new importance of Empowered Life Tap, however the graphic bar above it still shows Reverse Entropy with a Check and ELT with an X

Tier 3 Talents:  Mortal Coil still reflects the pre patch functionality.  No way to tell from the text if it reflects new or old thinking.  Since you know get the heal regardless, it would seem to me that Mortal Coil would be more useful than Demonic Circle at least in some situations.

Tier 4 Talents:  Soul Harvest is listed as preferred in the general raid setup but the graphic bar in tier 5 lists it as a question mark, which seems off.

Tier 5 Talents: Demon Skin is in the same boat as Soul Harvest.  Unless the "?" is now used as "preferred in one or more scenarios", however the check seems more widely used for that.

 

 

 

 

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Guest a curious lock

Mortal Coil Icon Mortal Coil is fairly useless as it has a shorter duration than Shadowfury Icon Shadowfury and only affects a single target. It is worth noting that the heal from Mortal Coil Icon Mortal Coil only happens if the target is successfully horrified, so it cannot be used on a raid boss for a little bit of extra healing. "

blizzard patchnotes states: 

  • Mortal Coil healing is now 20% of maximum health (was 11%).
  • Mortal Coil now always heals you, regardless of whether the target is affected by the Horror.

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5 hours ago, faragorn said:

The Destro guide needs some editing updates, and here are some examples you requested:

Tier 2 Talents:  The text has been updated to reflect the new importance of Empowered Life Tap, however the graphic bar above it still shows Reverse Entropy with a Check and ELT with an X

Tier 3 Talents:  Mortal Coil still reflects the pre patch functionality.  No way to tell from the text if it reflects new or old thinking.  Since you know get the heal regardless, it would seem to me that Mortal Coil would be more useful than Demonic Circle at least in some situations.

Tier 4 Talents:  Soul Harvest is listed as preferred in the general raid setup but the graphic bar in tier 5 lists it as a question mark, which seems off.

Tier 5 Talents: Demon Skin is in the same boat as Soul Harvest.  Unless the "?" is now used as "preferred in one or more scenarios", however the check seems more widely used for that.

 

 

 

 

Hey - there was an error somewhere when I sent in some of the updates and the graphic bar didn't update with the rest of the guide. It's an easy fix and should be taken care of now.

1 hour ago, Guest a curious lock said:

Mortal Coil Icon Mortal Coil is fairly useless as it has a shorter duration than Shadowfury Icon Shadowfury and only affects a single target. It is worth noting that the heal from Mortal Coil Icon Mortal Coil only happens if the target is successfully horrified, so it cannot be used on a raid boss for a little bit of extra healing. "

blizzard patchnotes states: 

  • Mortal Coil healing is now 20% of maximum health (was 11%).
  • Mortal Coil now always heals you, regardless of whether the target is affected by the Horror.

Thanks, added this as well. Spotted it in the official Blizzard patch notes, but it wasn't in any of the unofficial/datamined notes that I saw. Since the Blizzard "official" notes were notoriously riddled with mistakes (you might have seen the forums and Twitter erupting) I wanted to wait until the patch so I could confirm firsthand.

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The guide currently has a green checkmark over Channel Demonfire, but the description still says that it isn't worth using because it doesn't scale well with gear and is negatively impacted by movement (same as it said for 7.1.0)

Did anything change there and Channel Demonfire is actually okay now, or is the checkmark an error?

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On 1/11/2017 at 2:02 AM, Ammako said:

Did anything change there and Channel Demonfire is actually okay now, or is the checkmark an error?

It looks like this has been updated now and CD is actually pretty solid.

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20 hours ago, Kevinlock said:

Im hearing conflicting reports that  Enchant Neck - Mark of the Claw might be better for Destro Warlocks. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

Can you show me the reports that you're seeing, maybe if they are linking sims or testing reports? I just need something to show to Furty before asking him to review.

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15 hours ago, Blainie said:

It looks like this has been updated now and CD is actually pretty solid.

That makes me happy Worgen. That talent was always the most fun.

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6 hours ago, Ammako said:

That makes me happy Worgen. That talent was always the most fun.

Glad to hear it! Yeah, I do love it too! :D

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Guest Jennifer

I'm hearing from a few other warlock guides that CDF is better for ST than SC and Better for cleave than WH. If this is true where does it leave people with the legendary Odr havoc cloak?

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7 hours ago, Guest Jennifer said:

I'm hearing from a few other warlock guides that CDF is better for ST than SC and Better for cleave than WH. If this is true where does it leave people with the legendary Odr havoc cloak?

This is true. We've updated the guide to reflect this; it wasn't expected from most players based off of the PTR results and our extrapolations, however, the live build has seen CDF become the strongest option on both single target and stacked cleave+. The main reason for this  is due to Eradication no longer being taken, meaning the Shard efficiency of Conduit is less meaningful as ELT uptime isn't tied to shard expenditure. When we took Eradication, channelling CDF would usually result in a loss of uptime, and the loss of Soul Conduit for CDF would also mean less CBs and less uptime. This is no longer an issue with the ELT talent.

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13 hours ago, Guest Jennifer said:

I'm hearing from a few other warlock guides that CDF is better for ST than SC and Better for cleave than WH. If this is true where does it leave people with the legendary Odr havoc cloak?

Glad to see that Furty grabbed your question. If you have any others, please feel free to ask :)

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Guest Eowyne

Please, could anyone explain to me when use Channel Demonfire on the single target rotation?  

Many thanks in advance!!

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