Frost Death Knight 7.3

[athe 0]

 

 

 

Hello I tested 2 different possibilities of opti with stuff I like to have your opinion. The first is an opti:

strength> crit (30%)> haste (20%)> mastery> poly : http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/simulator/report/ce8d1241ee9c43d39415e2d1fe91b3ec

For the second it is an opti: strength> haste> mastery> crit (20%)> poly:http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/simulator/report/24997716ec6e45fda5760e2a554c4b84

DPS does not match because the cycle did not correct it is just to get an overall idea

[demonardvark 556]

6 hours ago, magicbison said:

When it comes to this stat setup what would you be doing for Trinkets?

Would you get a trinket with a Mastery/Haste proc and a Damage Proc like Spiked Counterweight @ ilvl 840+ or a Mastery and Haste Trinket?

it depends on if you are doin FS or AM. if doin AM id take da proc trinket. if doin FS you want da more stable base stat trinket. For FS we need as many FS to be either km procced or critical hits and need it to be reliable. now one could say you could do a more difficult rotation usin proc trink and squeezin in fs durin proc but dat is counter intuitive to machine rotation. we need to be burnin resources so da idead looks valid but wouldnt play well rite now, come 7.1 maybe but its risky and could come at costly dps loss

so

RA - proccy trinket

SF- more stable trinket until higher ilvls (like nighthold). once most FS are reliably empowered, den we can start playin wit proc trinkets.

[demonardvark 556]

5 hours ago, athe said:

 

 

 

 

 

Hello I tested 2 different possibilities of opti with stuff I like to have your opinion. The first is an opti:

strength> crit (30%)> haste (20%)> mastery> poly : http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/simulator/report/ce8d1241ee9c43d39415e2d1fe91b3ec

For the second it is an opti: strength> haste> mastery> crit (20%)> poly:http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/simulator/report/24997716ec6e45fda5760e2a554c4b84

DPS does not match because the cycle did not correct it is just to get an overall idea

it certainly is interestin dat crit cap first is favored and led to more dps. 

[athe 0]

So in your opinion what would be the most opti between these 2 build ?

[Guest Likeable]

Hey, I'm only level 100 but when following the priority listed I can rarely generate enough RP to keep 3 stacks of Icy Talons. Is it normal for the 3 stacks to fall off occasionally?

[demonardvark 556]

5 hours ago, Guest Likeable said:

Hey, I'm only level 100 but when following the priority listed I can rarely generate enough RP to keep 3 stacks of Icy Talons. Is it normal for the 3 stacks to fall off occasionally?

i wouldn't worry too much about rotation only at lvl 100 but there is nothing wrong with practicing. if running fs you will not have enough runic power generation atm to necessarily keep 100% uptime on icy talons so yes it is expected for it to fall off. you may try weaving it into rotation more frequent durations but otherwise what you are experiencing is normal, later gear lvls will likely mitigate this.

[athe 0]

 

I use mr robot just to have a glimpses of their sims dps stats did not correct for 
rotation left to be desired I think the second opti remains critically 
percentage of 20 which I think is asser for this spe to tier current and 
40% mastery to maximize frost damage is most present on the current spe may be 
I am wrong is I'm open to any proposal for 
mr robot but in any case it really did not see the dps theoretical but really to see the 
final stats with food and potion.

[demonardvark 556]

6 hours ago, athe said:

So in your opinion what would be the most opti between these 2 build ?

the presented sims showcase crit having a larger basic impact on dps initially than mastery. this simply further showcases that the proposed ratio works quite well

18-20% haste> 30% crit >45% mastery increasing mastery. 

the deal is that fs needs to crit as much as possible and reliably so you need the maximum benefit crit amount of off set the lack of killing machine procs, the increased damage is mandatory for fs to work, so of the sims the crit build does more damage, but to be competitive against RA you need higher mastery

so frankly neither sim is ideal. the crit one does more but it lacks enough mastery so id imagine off the top of my head if you re ran same numbers using obliterate and RA you'd still see higher dps. 

[athe 0]

 

the sims dps present the first with crit is more elevate because
 if you look at the sims rotation does not take account  Frostscythe  is consider 
as the fourth source damage to the same title with an opti mastery which for me 
was not logical mastery over = more  frost damage haste promoting self critical attack chance 
that will allow the proc KM.

[Guest UsernNr333]

So i got 30% crit and 20% haste but mastery is only at 28%. While these are my only stats currently where do i get 17% mastery to reach 45%? Ilvl is 867. Even with the next raidtiers is that really possible?

[magicbison 0]

How does using RA affect your AoE burst? Is it just a harder reliance on Rime procs to keep you even?

[demonardvark 556]

2 hours ago, Guest UsernNr333 said:

So i got 30% crit and 20% haste but mastery is only at 28%. While these are my only stats currently where do i get 17% mastery to reach 45%? Ilvl is 867. Even with the next raidtiers is that really possible?

at heroic mythic gear lvls quite likely there is a lot of mastery to be had however you then have to account and battle against tier set which isn't overwhelmingly strong but does favor more obliterate usage. however the thing to keep in mind as well is obliterate scales like poop so if next tier we don't see a full switch the following one we will. we are still very early into this xpac and the stat ratio presented is for a long term perspective. frostscythe very clearly was designed to be an aoe talent, the reason in hfc pre patch it was so strong is we had a ton of mastery and stats so people found it strong, the stat content now is lower so people are confused by its strength being questionable. 

so right now for pure single RA is better in most cases, come later nighthold frostscythe will start to pull ahead a lot more frequently, and whatever 3rd big raid we get (tomb of sargeras?) we will see frostscythe likely be dominate. 

[Guest Esploratore]

21 hours ago, Guest UsernNr333 said:

So i got 30% crit and 20% haste but mastery is only at 28%. While these are my only stats currently where do i get 17% mastery to reach 45%? Ilvl is 867. Even with the next raidtiers is that really possible?

This sounds really weird, I am only 843 but I have 30% crit, 18% haste and 30% mastery, so basically same as you with 24 less item level! So either you have a huge amount of versatility which, if possible, you want to drop, or you don't have any trinket with only secondary stats, for example I have a trinket from a world boss which gives like 800 to all 4 stats, and that certainly if you, in comparison have a str + single stat trinket, might be a reason why your crit + haste + mastery are so low in comparison. For reference my versatility is about 1.800, 5%.
 

[Bloodweiser 1]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cBPJqa794GFAwrkx#

 

More logs from EN using no Frostscythe. I think I'm quite happy with it at the moment.

[Valks 2,375]

14 hours ago, Bloodweiser said:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cBPJqa794GFAwrkx#

More logs from EN using no Frostscythe. I think I'm quite happy with it at the moment.

Just did some checking on Normal Xavius rankings, almost everyone that is currently outperforming you in your gear level uses Frostscythe heavily. Might see yourself break that top 10 by using it!

[Guest Sylphix]

Anyone know whether or not I should use BoS and go without FS since my Legendary is the Seal of Necrofantasia? Machine Gun rotation seems pretty counter intuitive for use with this legendary due to Frozen Pulse... Would I be better off just going BoS and RA instead of FS? What about stats? Keep the current 30 crit 20 haste? 

[demonardvark 556]

3 hours ago, Guest Sylphix said:

Anyone know whether or not I should use BoS and go without FS since my Legendary is the Seal of Necrofantasia? Machine Gun rotation seems pretty counter intuitive for use with this legendary due to Frozen Pulse... Would I be better off just going BoS and RA instead of FS? What about stats? Keep the current 30 crit 20 haste? 

BOS is just completely undertuned right now, even with your legendary its not worth switching. The problem is you are losing out on your frost strikes which means no icy talons, which basically kills the machine gun rotation. 

[Talindel 0]

Hello,

Anyone got the weight for that new stat priority (to make a MrRobot profile)?

[Guest Esploratore]

I noticed the stat priority page still hasn't been changed and still shows 20% crit only, wouldn't it make sense to update it to 30% and 20% haste (or whatever you consider best), since I think not everyone checks the comments here?
 

[Tehass 0]

So iv been doing pretty good with my dps with my current build of 30% max crit, 20% haste and the rest in mastery using ra build with str being number 1. I need help on my trinkets, i just got Ursoc's Rending Paw and Nature's Call 855 ilvl, with mrrobot suggesting a versitility trinket that only has a strength proc with it of 3,329 str for 20 seconds. at this point with frost changing so much and so many different ideas on builds and caps i have no idea what to do anymore. i know ursocs paw is a suggested trinket at a higher ilvl. any thoughts?

[demonardvark 556]

12 hours ago, Guest Esploratore said:

I noticed the stat priority page still hasn't been changed and still shows 20% crit only, wouldn't it make sense to update it to 30% and 20% haste (or whatever you consider best), since I think not everyone checks the comments here?
 

Agreed, I have no answer for that one, I'm not responsible for the official guides.

In addition though, I don't think this particular forum should have as much traffic as it does. This is for guide comments not for trinket choice, logs checking, etc, that should be going in the basic dk forums. Over 50% of the posts here really aren't commenting on the guide at all XD

[Guest Toesoe]

Sorry I did not read all comments, but can I conclude the Icy Veins information about Frost DK's is way out of date in every aspect?

[demonardvark 556]

2 hours ago, Guest Toesoe said:

Sorry I did not read all comments, but can I conclude the Icy Veins information about Frost DK's is way out of date in every aspect?

no, general guide is appropriate, stats are just a bit out of date, 

[Tegu 1]

Btw i have nothing to do with the recent changes to the  Frost guide including the stat weights, think there's another guy that did the update so don't ask me about them, i think they are quite off from the reality.

 

[TalonShadowsong 5]

14 hours ago, Tegu said:

Btw i have nothing to do with the recent changes to the  Frost guide including the stat weights, think there's another guy that did the update so don't ask me about them, i think they are quite off from the reality.

 

Yeah I really agree with Tegu on this one. The stat priorities are pretty off as listed on this site and should be change ASAP as there has been an increasing number of Frost DKs getting into and posting logs for content now (All the way up to Mythic 5/7 last I saw). As more and more people begin their Frost adventures, it would be a shame to see them with sub-optimal information leading them down a path where it makes the class look bad.