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4 hours ago, Draylock said:

Greetings, friends. 

I see there are a few inconsistencies in the guide if we factor in some of the latest sims done by the DK discord community.

Passing absolutely all of this on - thanks so much for bringing it to my attention :)

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24 minutes ago, Blainie said:

Passing absolutely all of this on - thanks so much for bringing it to my attention :)

Thanks! I'd like to repeat again, the credit for the sims and spreadsheets goes to the wonderful DK discord community. I'm just a self-appointed messenger  to ensure Icy-Veins is the go-to web resource for FDKs :D 

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30 minutes ago, Draylock said:

Thanks! I'd like to repeat again, the credit for the sims and spreadsheets goes to the wonderful DK discord community. I'm just a self-appointed messenger  to ensure Icy-Veins is the go-to web resource for FDKs :D 

It's a great thing to do, so thanks for that! :)

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Hey Guys!

Im wondering if any experienced BoS Frost DKs could contact me via DM or in game for some questions. My ingame handle is Nilock#1373.

Looking forward to our conversations!

Thanks,

Nilock

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The sims I linked have been updated with the latest changes to FDK. Nothing much changed. Short recap:

Relics - in terms of T20 the places have shifted a bit. For single target Ambidexterity now firmly takes the first place, beating Nothing but the Boots (second place), Cold as Ice (third place) and Blast Radius (fourth place) by a relatively small (4k dps vs BR at ilvl 955) margin. For AoE, as expected, Cold as Ice takes the first place, pretty much crushing the opposition (3,5k dps vs BR at ilvl 915). Blast Radius moves to a pretty firm second place, followed by Dead of Winter (a new challenger approaches!), Ambi and NbtB. If we take into consideration that unless you specifically prepare your Frost DK for a certain fight you'll need both ST and AoE damage, I would suggest to go for the highest ilvl relic with Ambi, CaI, NbtB or BR, without stacking too much in a single trait. To make things even easier, everything drops in ToS. You get Frost relics with Ambi and CaI from Harjatan and Mistress Sassz'ine, and nice Frost and Shadow relics with NbtB and BR from Kil'jaeden with increased ilvl.

For T19 relics the places are pretty much the same. Only thing that changed is that relics are now even closer to each other in terms of worth. Now's the time to replace your 890 BR relics for those 905 NbtB random drops :D

Legendaries haven't changed either.

PSA: ALWAYS sim yourself. Any and all sims are for reference only. Your situation might vary with your current stats/legendaries/preferred playstyle, etc.

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On 6/19/2017 at 6:31 PM, Nilock said:

Looking forward to our conversations!

Hey! If you're still looking for help, you're more than welcome to leave a comment here detailing your questions/issues :)

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14 hours ago, Draylock said:

The sims I linked have been updated with the latest changes to FDK. Nothing much changed. Short recap:

Just to give a small update on our previous conversation - I believe an update is being discussed and prepared :)

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On 03/07/2017 at 0:53 PM, Draylock said:

I suppose the update got cancelled? :D

Following this up. Will update.

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So I'm having a problem: switching from 915 item level with nighthold 4x set to 922 item level with tomb 4x set I'm ending up doing a little less dps.

I knew I'd have liked the old set more, but not to the extent that even 7 item levels more makes me do worse, I felt very rune starved with new set; is it supposed to be that bad? I don't want to keep the old set forever!

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Guest pickledaisho

Wanting to make sure i'm understanding the legendary update. Regardless of w/e build you have, cold heart and toravan's are "bis". even though seal and koltira's are pretty specific to the breath build?

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Guest Kuffancs

As Breath of Sindragosa will be available more often than Hungering Rune Weapon, should I BoS when available, or do I have to wait 1 minute each time, to line up the two together, or is it better to use them both on cooldown (together when possible)?

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On 8/9/2017 at 6:21 PM, Esploratore said:

So I'm having a problem: switching from 915 item level with nighthold 4x set to 922 item level with tomb 4x set I'm ending up doing a little less dps.

I knew I'd have liked the old set more, but not to the extent that even 7 item levels more makes me do worse, I felt very rune starved with new set; is it supposed to be that bad? I don't want to keep the old set forever!

A good way to test your performance somewhat is to post a log to the forums and let our moderators assess it. You can post it to the Death Knight forum.

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On 8/14/2017 at 5:45 PM, Guest pickledaisho said:

Wanting to make sure i'm understanding the legendary update. Regardless of w/e build you have, cold heart and toravan's are "bis". even though seal and koltira's are pretty specific to the breath build?

Yeah, that's right, with T20. With T19, it's Koltira's + Cold Heart or SoN + Cold Heart. 

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On 8/20/2017 at 1:46 PM, Guest Kuffancs said:

As Breath of Sindragosa will be available more often than Hungering Rune Weapon, should I BoS when available, or do I have to wait 1 minute each time, to line up the two together, or is it better to use them both on cooldown (together when possible)?

This depends. Will it affect your overall performance in the fight? Will you miss a use of the ability? Take a 6 minute fight as an example:

  • 00:00 - You cast both.
  • 02:00 - You cast BoS.
  • 03:00 - You cast ERW.
  • 04:00 - You cast BoS.
  • 06:00 - Boss dies.

If you delay, you end up with exactly the same number of casts in the fight, since you end up casting BoS at 03:00 and 05:00. Had the fight gone on until 06:30, you would have lost a cast of BoS, since you delayed and it wouldn't be ready until 07:00. Hope this makes sense.

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We are currently in the process of updating all guides as required for the 7.3 release. Please be patient as we make the necessary changes. You can keep an eye on the changelog to know if the guide has been updated or not. 

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This guide has now been updated for the 7.3 patch. If you have any questions or comments, you can always ask them here. If you find any errors in the new changes to the guide, let me know and I'll get the writers to update it ASAP.

Good luck in the Shadows of Argus!

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Guest Church

Did they change something in the new patch, the Breath build seems different. wasn't hungering rune weapon on a different tier?

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14 minutes ago, Guest Church said:

Did they change something in the new patch, the Breath build seems different. wasn't hungering rune weapon on a different tier?

Yeah, talent tiers have been swapped to make for some more competitive builds than only BoS.

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35 minutes ago, Guest Church said:

Did they change something in the new patch, the Breath build seems different. wasn't hungering rune weapon on a different tier?

Currently BoS build isnt viable anymore since they changed alot of stuff around.

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Guest pickledaisho

is there any kind of BoS build, obviously, from what you guys are saying it's dead but was curious as to what it would be now or if you could point in a direction to find one, that would be awesome.

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12 hours ago, alleraz said:

Currently BoS build isnt viable anymore since they changed alot of stuff around.

Yep, the alternatives have been buffed enough that it's simply not worth taking anymore.

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6 hours ago, Guest pickledaisho said:

is there any kind of BoS build, obviously, from what you guys are saying it's dead but was curious as to what it would be now or if you could point in a direction to find one, that would be awesome.

Most likely RA - HoW - Icecap - N/A - N/A - GS - BoS. It's a pretty weak build, but it's what you'd most likely take for BoS.

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