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On 1/20/2017 at 4:31 PM, Guest Necrotik said:

(On a side note, the sims were executed with the Legendary shoulders equiped)

Can you show me the sims, as well as the in-game testing that you did afterwards? I need to see the results, not a summary of what you found so that I can pass it back.

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On 1/21/2017 at 4:42 PM, Guest Kemerinadk said:

So, If you help me to change situation with my dk, I will be so happy.

As said above, if you find that one specifically performs better for you, use that one. If you are struggling to obtain gear, then simply itemize as your gear allows you to.

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Guest Faelosia

Thaks for the answer. Are you sure not using Dark Transformation together with Apocalypse everytime is still the thing to do, considering the ghouls have been buffed recently ? 

Concerning the Castigator that you find more worth, got anything to prove your sayings ? I would tend to believe you (actually, I hope, as I find the castigaor build way more enjoyable than the claws one).

All those questions comming from someone that likes optimising as much as possible, but that doesn't have enough time on his hands to do all the tests he'd like.

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Guest Faelosia

So, coming back to myown post, with 5min testing of every spec :

For every try i've hit the target in ironforge for 5minutes, using dark transfomration when available

Crit build (26%crit, 18%haste, 45%mastery) : 2/2/2/-/-/3/3 : 123M : 405k dps

Recommended Mastery (14%crit, 18%haste, 71%mastery) : 2/2/3/-/-/2/1 : 123M : 415k dps

My Mastery build (14%crit, 18%haste, 71%mastery) : 2/2/3/-/-/3/3 : 122M : 405k dps

My Mastery build (using dark transformation with Apocalypse proc) (14%crit, 18%haste, 71%mastery) : 2/2/3/-/-/3/3 : 125M : 416k dps

All data were collected using only skada, so maybe it's not the best, but hey, it's something.

So the best would probably be the recommended mastery build, but I kinda hate necrosis =).

And anyway, it seems I should wait for Apocalypse before transforming my ghoul.

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17 hours ago, Guest Faelosia said:

Thaks for the answer. Are you sure not using Dark Transformation together with Apocalypse everytime is still the thing to do, considering the ghouls have been buffed recently ? 

Concerning the Castigator that you find more worth, got anything to prove your sayings ? I would tend to believe you (actually, I hope, as I find the castigaor build way more enjoyable than the claws one).

All those questions comming from someone that likes optimising as much as possible, but that doesn't have enough time on his hands to do all the tests he'd like.

We actually do list CS as the better build (when using Mastery) and generally when compared with Castigator crit.

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16 hours ago, Guest Faelosia said:

All data were collected using only skada, so maybe it's not the best, but hey, it's something.

The issue is, can you say that you played perfectly each time you tested in-game? Is there any chance you made a rotational error in one test and not in another? 

Simming is always going to be more reliable than us doing tests in-game, simply because they won't make rotational errors. As for the Apoc/Ghoul combo, it's the same answer as I gave above: Delaying can cause you to basically just miss out on uses in a fight. I am certain that, for example, that missing out on a complete use of one of them is worth more DPS than waiting to combo them.

That's basically how we test stuff. We use extensive simulations to compare builds and find out which one is best.

Hope this makes sense.

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Guest NecrotikTheWorgen

About Dark Arbiter's rotation, there's quite a few tricks you can do to maximize Valkyr's damage, that you forgot to mention.

1. If you're about to receive (or if you can soak) magical damage, you can cast AMS before or during DA. That will usually give you 1-2 extra Death Coil casts.

2. If you have to choose between casting Clawing Shadows or Festering Strike, then you must choose Festering Strike. For example, if you have 3-4 wounds up (so you dont over-cap your wounds anyway by casting FS), its better to cast FS cause you'll gain Runic Power faster (getting 20RP instead of 13 RP), which might let you fit additional Death Coils, in the long run, while the Val'kyr is up.

3. Ideally you want to let Sudden Doom stack twice (without "harming" your rotation ofc). Also, you need to be in melee range as much as possible, even if there's movement going on, so your melee attacks can generate more Sudden Doom procs.

4.  You shall adjust your Haste percentage, taking into account how many casts the Val'kyr can pull. Im fairly conceinced, there's breakpoints when you play with DA. For example, my toon has 22% haste and the Val'kyr will always cast 8 times (with no Hero ofc), cause the 9th cast gets interupted just 1 second before it gets completed. Now you might say its only 1 cast, so no big deal, but the last casts deal the most damage (they can easily hit for 1.6m non-crit), which is a subjectively noticeable DPS loss.

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On 1/30/2017 at 11:59 AM, Guest Faelosia said:

Thaks for the answer. Are you sure not using Dark Transformation together with Apocalypse everytime is still the thing to do, considering the ghouls have been buffed recently ? 

Concerning the Castigator that you find more worth, got anything to prove your sayings ? I would tend to believe you (actually, I hope, as I find the castigaor build way more enjoyable than the claws one).

All those questions comming from someone that likes optimising as much as possible, but that doesn't have enough time on his hands to do all the tests he'd like.

(Incase you're reading this the quoted message is concerning the legendary shoulders).

You use Dark Transformation With Garg+Apoc, and every 3 minutes past that.  Dark Transformation will only sync with Apoc every 3 minutes.  Garg or Dark Arbiter will and should always get the benefit from DT Shoulders.  Apocalypse ghoul damage is actually pretty negligible unfortunately (not insignificant - just very low), so you would never delay DT for it - not to mention the obvious problem is robbing your Garg or DA cycle which is significant amount of damage.

 

 

Just my logs and personal testing.  Trilliax was honestly what left me stumped considering the downtime.

CS is definitely a more than viable talent (you can look at logs if you need further verification.) However, If you don't have bracers I personally wouldn't touch the talent at all.

Edited by NocsT

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Guest Faelosia

Thanks a lot :-).

I do have the bracers, which is why I changed a few talents.

Anyway, thanks to all of you for the info and your time !

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20 hours ago, Guest NecrotikTheWorgen said:

About Dark Arbiter's rotation, there's quite a few tricks you can do to maximize Valkyr's damage, that you forgot to mention.

Definitely some fair points, will pass it on, thanks!

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16 hours ago, NocsT said:

(Incase you're reading this the quoted message is concerning the legendary shoulders).

Thanks for helping to answer this :)

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9 hours ago, Guest Faelosia said:

Anyway, thanks to all of you for the info and your time !

Glad to see you got the help you needed :)

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yo, I right now have 940 wrists/waist and shoulders for the unholy spec and I am not sure which combination should work better. Any thoughts? and 1 more question. If you are still geared for crit do you go for Clawing Shadows since its damage got really up or you stay with Castigator? thanks

 

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21 hours ago, Jesper said:

yo, I right now have 940 wrists/waist and shoulders for the unholy spec and I am not sure which combination should work better. Any thoughts? and 1 more question. If you are still geared for crit do you go for Clawing Shadows since its damage got really up or you stay with Castigator? thanks

I believe you would still go Casti, then use Belt + Wrists. 

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I've been seeing a lot of Clawing Shadows instead than Castigator with the crit build and that put me into thoughts.

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14 minutes ago, Jesper said:

I've been seeing a lot of Clawing Shadows instead than Castigator with the crit build and that put me into thoughts.

I've just taken a look at some of the top parses and they seem to be going CS with Mastery, but can't find any CS with crit - can you show me one of them?

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Anyone has tested the nighthold trinkets? I got the one from Spellblade yesterday and it feels way too weak compared to Memento the procs are not even as many compared to Memento. Anyone got any thoughts?

 

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On 2/5/2017 at 0:46 PM, Jesper said:

Anyone has tested the nighthold trinkets? I got the one from Spellblade yesterday and it feels way too weak compared to Memento the procs are not even as many compared to Memento. Anyone got any thoughts?

I haven't tested it personally, but you can always try simming the two trinkets against each other? 

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So Virulent Plague damage increased and so with gargoyle and Arbiter. I believe Ebon fever will start being the go-to talent and I really wish the same happens with Arbiter. Any thoughts?

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Guest Faelosia

Hi guys. Back at it !

 

Just looted the Kil Jaeden's trnket (which makes my legendary list as : wrist, trinket, shoulders, neck, back.)

I believe the best combination is wrist and trinket (even with the up we'll get tomorrow or will the shoulders get a bump ?)

Next to that, I've currently got the memento in 870 and the chronoshard in 860. SImcraft is telling me that the shard is better, but with no strengh on it and procs of more than 4k stats on the memnto, I'm doubtfull. What would you do in my place ?

 

Thanks a lot in advance !

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5 hours ago, Guest Faelosia said:

 

Hi guys. Back at it !

 

I would advise trinket+wrists as you said. Chronoshard is a very strong trinket, it's better than memento despite it not having strength unholy secondary stats are very strong, mastery being almost as good as strength in some cases, and haste being a close second. Mementos procs are also very inconsistent despite me using it my self i find it's rather hit or miss, beause if you get 20 mastery procs it's obviously much better than getting 20 crit procs. 

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Guest Faelosia

You're right, seems logical explained this way :-).

If some are interested : I've got bracers and trinket. Thus I simmed my char with a few different specs. According to tonight's version of simcraft : 

Ebon fever is better in Mono situation

Necrosis is better than infected claws

So even with the bracers it's no longer a good idea not using ebon fever and necrosis.

Anybody can confirm this ?

Thanks !

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You should add Mark of the Trained Soldier neck enchant for mastery spec in the Gems, Enchants, and Consumables page.

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Guest IOnlyLookHereForInfo

Why has this "Guide" not been updated yet? There was a complete shift in what is best with the buff to plague.

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On 2/22/2017 at 7:05 PM, Vardex said:

You should add Mark of the Trained Soldier neck enchant for mastery spec in the Gems, Enchants, and Consumables page.

Made a note of this, thanks!

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