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4 hours ago, Guest IOnlyLookHereForInfo said:

Why has this "Guide" not been updated yet? There was a complete shift in what is best with the buff to plague.

It should be updated in the near future - sorry for the delays!

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Guest JJ_DK

Thanks for the comprehensive guide on icy veins. I'm really impressed that the two mods follow up answering questions posted on this thread. I just have a simple question about the legendary unholy DK helm - Death march & defile. 

I understand the strength of death march & defile  for M+ / heavy add / cleave fights but how much stronger does defile become with NH 2/ 4 piece set bonus especially with bracers. I personally do no have any tier yet from NH but I do have the unholy bracers. Looking at the set bonuses, especially the 4 piece, I can see where defile might pull ahead of soul reaper because of the sheer amount of defile resets you can get with the helm. 

On a side note, in M+, I'm using defile off cd on ST bosses since I can't switch to soul reaper mid dungeon. Is this appropriate? I feel like it is but I haven't actually asked anyone to confirm. Thanks Blainie & Tegu. 

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19 hours ago, Guest JJ_DK said:

Thanks for the comprehensive guide on icy veins. I'm really impressed that the two mods follow up answering questions posted on this thread. I just have a simple question about the legendary unholy DK helm - Death march & defile. 

I understand the strength of death march & defile  for M+ / heavy add / cleave fights but how much stronger does defile become with NH 2/ 4 piece set bonus especially with bracers. I personally do no have any tier yet from NH but I do have the unholy bracers. Looking at the set bonuses, especially the 4 piece, I can see where defile might pull ahead of soul reaper because of the sheer amount of defile resets you can get with the helm. 

On a side note, in M+, I'm using defile off cd on ST bosses since I can't switch to soul reaper mid dungeon. Is this appropriate? I feel like it is but I haven't actually asked anyone to confirm. Thanks Blainie & Tegu. 

I believe that if you play with a mastery based build (clearly the strongest atm) using defile on cd is worth, even in mono, as you'll get the 3k mastery buff that comes along with defile's growing.

Yet, if defile is not going to hi tthe target most of it's active time (boss moving, ...) then it's not going to be worth. (it was this way during WoD at least).

If anyone with more accurate information can confirm / infirm this :).

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Necrosis isn't that better and the playstyle is shit. In addition in aoe situations infected claws still is more worth than Necrosis. If you are not going to use Bursting Sores then you can definitely take Necrosis. In my opinion the buff was significant to Ebon Fever thanks to the initial buff to Virulent Plague but for 1-2% more damage I would not drop Bursting Sores for Ebon Fever. In Cleave situations in my opinion Bursting Sores definitely beats Ebon Fever I got to find that log I have from 2 kills of Botanist where 1 is with EF and the other with BS. As for Defile if you have the head and you are about to use it you should imo definitely spec into defile all the time. If not take Soul Reaper unless you got Convergence of Fates where you should pick Dark Arbiter.

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Guest Faelosia

Hello guys.

I'm doing pretty good, vastly thanks to the tips and indications you gave me on this forum.

Here's my char's page on WC logs : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/9295804/11/#bracket=-1

Here's the link to my guild's logs : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/reportslist/145120/

I believe I have quite a well optimized stuff atm, thus that shouldn't be a blocking factor.

Could anyone with spare time have a look at my logs and tell me how I could improve ? 

I believe I shoudl be able to reach the 100% ilvl ranking, looking at my stuff.

Many thanks for your time.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Guest Faelosia said:

Could anyone with spare time have a look at my logs and tell me how I could improve ? 

It'd be worth posting this in the DK forum. You're more likely to get a response from one of the mods there for log analysis :)

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On 3/1/2017 at 7:29 PM, Jesper said:

 In Cleave situations in my opinion Bursting Sores definitely beats Ebon Fever I got to find that log I have from 2 kills of Botanist where 1 is with EF and the other with BS. 

Did you end up finding this log? It'd be great to look at.

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9 minutes ago, Blainie said:

It'd be worth posting this in the DK forum. You're more likely to get a response from one of the mods there for log analysis :)

Thanks :). Will do that right away.

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On 3/14/2017 at 2:03 PM, Guest Faelosia said:

Thanks :). Will do that right away.

Great, hope you get your answers! :)

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Guest Jona860

Hi guys just got decided to try out a unholy dk and hes lvl 61 and wanted to know how exactly do i go about on a rotation? they seem pretty hard to play. if someone can help please and thanks would really appreciate it

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5 hours ago, Guest Jona860 said:

Hi guys just got decided to try out a unholy dk and hes lvl 61 and wanted to know how exactly do i go about on a rotation? they seem pretty hard to play. if someone can help please and thanks would really appreciate it

Hey Bud,

If you're looking for a "pexing" guide, I don't think that would make a lot of sence, but note that there is one unders the class guides already, with general tips, short explanations on how to use cooldowns, and so on.

Globally, I'd say, go for the increased desease damages in talents, dot every mob you want to kill, let them come to you by small packs (3-6 mobs), DND, CS until dead, repeat.

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7 hours ago, Guest Jona860 said:

Hi guys just got decided to try out a unholy dk and hes lvl 61 and wanted to know how exactly do i go about on a rotation? they seem pretty hard to play. if someone can help please and thanks would really appreciate it

As Fael says above, I'd recommend taking a look at the leveling guide for DKs, as well as our rotation pages. Your general priority while leveling is just to pull a fair amount of mobs, DoT them all and just survive as they die. 

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1 hour ago, Faelosia said:

Hey Bud,

Thanks for helping with that Fael :)

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Guest Wolfgang Azmodeus

Is it worth upgrading your weapon if the increase is only 1 level, and the relic isn't as good as what you already have? I have a lvl 39 relic in with plaguebearer, and just dropped a lvl 40 relic with runic tatoos. IMO what iI already have should be better, but I'm not sure how much difference 1 rank will actually do to the blade.

Any ideas?

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4 hours ago, Guest Wolfgang Azmodeus said:

Is it worth upgrading your weapon if the increase is only 1 level, and the relic isn't as good as what you already have? I have a lvl 39 relic in with plaguebearer, and just dropped a lvl 40 relic with runic tatoos. IMO what iI already have should be better, but I'm not sure how much difference 1 rank will actually do to the blade.

Any ideas?

I agree we'd need a weighted comparision from people who know how to. But in this specific situation you're right, keep plaguebearer without the smallest hesitation.

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On 3/21/2017 at 2:41 PM, Guest Wolfgang Azmodeus said:

Is it worth upgrading your weapon if the increase is only 1 level, and the relic isn't as good as what you already have? I have a lvl 39 relic in with plaguebearer, and just dropped a lvl 40 relic with runic tatoos. IMO what iI already have should be better, but I'm not sure how much difference 1 rank will actually do to the blade.

Any ideas?

Plague is better in this situation. It will depend entirely on which relics are being compared though. 

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On 3/21/2017 at 7:41 PM, Faelosia said:

I agree we'd need a weighted comparision from people who know how to. But in this specific situation you're right, keep plaguebearer without the smallest hesitation.

You were correct - thanks for helping to answer :)

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We are currently in the process of updating our guides in preparation for the release of 7.2 - please understand that we will not be answering questions in this section about "What is better for 7.2?" prior to the patch release, since all the information will be available when the patch goes live. Please be patient and thanks for waiting!

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Hi !

Just saw the legendary list being updated.

So it means that the head is now the second BiS as a leg ? Does this mean that if you have it you have to play defile and not soul reaper ? (didn't see that in the talent page). Even on ST fights I mean ? 

If so, is there any change to make in the rotation while defile is up ? Is it to use on CD or tu use with any specific proc / cd ? (Dark transformation for the ghoul's shadow damage for example) ?

Precisions would be needed here, as as it is now, the guide says it's updated for pretty much all pages but it's confusing more than anything else.

Thanks in advance.

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@FaelosiaNo defile isn't good, just the passive damage increase from deathcoil, and it's only 2nd best assuming you don't mess up with your rotation and optimally use runes and runic. With the current gear/tier our runes come off cd fast enough so the ring/belt are useless.

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Guest SiggyPop

With Tier 20 coming out, is the 2 piece tier bonus worth it? Somewhat worried about losing ghouls and the maximized chance for the damage debuff on my target. 

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5 hours ago, Drtain said:

@FaelosiaNo defile isn't good, just the passive damage increase from deathcoil, and it's only 2nd best assuming you don't mess up with your rotation and optimally use runes and runic. With the current gear/tier our runes come off cd fast enough so the ring/belt are useless.

Thanks for the explanation, makes more sense to me this way :).

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5 hours ago, Guest SiggyPop said:

With Tier 20 coming out, is the 2 piece tier bonus worth it? Somewhat worried about losing ghouls and the maximized chance for the damage debuff on my target. 

Not quite sure what you are asking. If you're attempting to ask if the 2p from tier 19 will be worth it, or if 2p tier 20 is worth it. The answer to either answer is probably that it's to early to tell because it'll probably undergo changes before it comes to live.

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10 hours ago, Faelosia said:

Thanks for the explanation, makes more sense to me this way :).

Glad to see that Drtain got to you quickly! If you have more questions just ask :)

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12 hours ago, Guest SiggyPop said:

With Tier 20 coming out, is the 2 piece tier bonus worth it? Somewhat worried about losing ghouls and the maximized chance for the damage debuff on my target. 

Just to add to what Drtain has said - the raid (ToS) doesn't actually release for a long time. While we are in 7.2, we likely won't see the raid until mid-June. A lot can change before then!

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