Arms Warrior 7.3

[Guest Mosmorgan]

13 hours ago, wordup said:

How updated was your Simcraft version in this situation? Bear in mind there are a lot of variables (trinkets and talent choices) that can skew your results that may lean toward a different stat weight than is posted here as a general result.

Hey and thanks for reply. 

The simcraft I have is the latest update. Also on the website askmrrobot it says I shall go for haste before versatillity. 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/sylvanas/Mossmorgan/simple

Here is my armory if you want to look at my stats. I'm just so confused with wich string I should trust. The one from this guide or the simulator. 

Regards 

[Valks 2,375]

15 hours ago, Guest Mosmorgan said:

Here is my armory if you want to look at my stats. I'm just so confused with wich string I should trust. The one from this guide or the simulator. 

Simmed your character:

This gives the priority of: Weapon DPS > Mastery > Strength > Attack Power > Versatility > Haste > Crit for your character.

[Guest Zurgoth]

Has there been any recent simming of Relics, by which I mean the priority given to Exploit the weakness relics over ones that give a higher ilvl. 

I know the general rule is ilvl trumps all but recently it's been coming out that EtW is more important that even 30 ilvl's worth of relic upgrade with a less important relic stat. 

 

What is everyone's take on this?

[Valks 2,375]

18 minutes ago, Guest Zurgoth said:

I know the general rule is ilvl trumps all but recently it's been coming out that EtW is more important that even 30 ilvl's worth of relic upgrade with a less important relic stat. 

This is when compared to a non-damage related relic stat (the 30 ilvl difference). As for the actual value of EtW relics, I'll see if I can get Wordup to add a section about it into the guide. 

[Guest Mosmorgan]

On 2016-09-22 at 6:11 AM, wordup said:

5 hours ago, Blainie said:

Simmed your character:

This gives the priority of: Weapon DPS > Mastery > Strength > Attack Power > Versatility > Haste > Crit for your character.

Hey and thanks! That's wierd, my simulation shows a different result. Maybe I did something wrong. I'll be going with the string from here then :) thank you!

[Valks 2,375]

26 minutes ago, Guest Mosmorgan said:

Hey and thanks! That's wierd, my simulation shows a different result. Maybe I did something wrong. I'll be going with the string from here then :) thank you!

No problem, sometimes a simple setting difference can cause things to go slightly wrong. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask them in the future! :)

[Guest Tai]

On 9/21/2016 at 11:13 PM, wordup said:

Whilst the DPR aspect is correct, spending additional rage to trigger additional Colossus Smash resets, and then upping your instances of Shattered Defenses to spend them is a significant gain (and a core part of playing Arms right now). The theory is sound and without that aspect taken into account would be 100% correct, but given that spending Rage is a % chance for only one reset, doing it in drips for multiple chances at the same thing is quite valuable.

Ok, your sentence structure is a bit off there so lemme make sure I understand.

Are you saying that spending more rage for an attack is beneficial because of higher chance to trigger SD? In that case execute can spend up to 40rage per use, making it by far the best attack we have to trigger SD.

Are you saying that spending rage more often is beneficial to maximize the number of times you're rolling for SD proc? In that case execute can be spammed at 10rage per use, making it better than 15 rage FR or 20rage MS.

So... ?

[Guest Naruyn]

Hello guys. I am a Fury warrior, but I'm feeling bound to switch to Arms (and I really don't like Arms), because by the logs it seems to be doing a lot more dps than Fury (by now I'm still being able to catch other warriors dps, even being behind other classes that do 250K+ at the end of a fight like normal Xavius). May you please explain something to me about the FR build for arms? I didn't get how I should use FR.

*Should I spam it until I get 3 stacks and them hit Slam until I get CS again?

*And if MS get out of cd, I should use it and then stack again?

*I'm macroing FR with Harmstring, is there anything I can do about the rage starve, besides doing heroic charge?

Thank you all (and hope fury gets better ;p)

[wordup 37]

10 hours ago, Guest Zurgoth said:

Has there been any recent simming of Relics, by which I mean the priority given to Exploit the weakness relics over ones that give a higher ilvl. 

I know the general rule is ilvl trumps all but recently it's been coming out that EtW is more important that even 30 ilvl's worth of relic upgrade with a less important relic stat. 

 

What is everyone's take on this?

At the moment there are a few question marks about trait value etc. that I spoke to Archimtiros about. Updates are being held a little until the balance pass that is expected to come early next week happens, so that it doesn't change now and then again in 2 days in the event of an overhaul.

[wordup 37]

2 hours ago, Guest Tai said:

Ok, your sentence structure is a bit off there so lemme make sure I understand.

Are you saying that spending more rage for an attack is beneficial because of higher chance to trigger SD? In that case execute can spend up to 40rage per use, making it by far the best attack we have to trigger SD.

Are you saying that spending rage more often is beneficial to maximize the number of times you're rolling for SD proc? In that case execute can be spammed at 10rage per use, making it better than 15 rage FR or 20rage MS.

So... ?

No, I maybe mis-worded that. More instances of Rage spent to trigger tactician can result in multiple resets that will allow you to get more Shattered Defenses procs, instead of frontloading it into one high chance to get one single reset. A lower Rage Execute is still arguable compared to a FR + FR MS. As I said above though, there are a few changes that are likely to get pushed in the next few days, pending the hotfix notes that are going to inevitably come that may (or may not, ideally) affect Arms.

[Svanir 0]

On 16/9/2016 at 2:57 PM, Blainie said:

What do you mean it gives less damage?

The percentage what I get for every stat is the following.

Critical-----> 0,00286%
Versatility-> 0,00250%
Haste ------> 0,00308%
Mastery ---> 0,00400%

There's no requirement of Versatility in warrior's mechanics. But Haste raises rage wasted and this is a benefit for Tactician, right?

I'm asking for this.

[Guest Mosmorgan]

21 hours ago, Blainie said:

No problem, sometimes a simple setting difference can cause things to go slightly wrong. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask them in the future! :)

I see! Is there any way you can show me the exact settings you use in simcraft? So i can start doing it myself :) 

And just to be clear, it is this http://www.simulationcraft.org/download.html simcraft that you use right?

[Valks 2,375]

3 hours ago, Svanir said:

The percentage what I get for every stat is the following.

Critical-----> 0,00286%
Versatility-> 0,00250%
Haste ------> 0,00308%
Mastery ---> 0,00400%

There's no requirement of Versatility in warrior's mechanics. But Haste raises rage wasted and this is a benefit for Tactician, right?

I'm asking for this.

What are these numbers being pulled from?

If you scroll up, you can see the sim image I posted for a user that shows Mastery > Vers > Haste > Crit. That gives the most damage, at least for his gear.

[Valks 2,375]

20 minutes ago, Guest Mosmorgan said:

I see! Is there any way you can show me the exact settings you use in simcraft? So i can start doing it myself :) 

And just to be clear, it is this http://www.simulationcraft.org/download.html simcraft that you use right?

I do indeed use Simcraft. Can you make an account and thread over in the Warrior forum? I'd rather not spam this thread with images of Simcraft :)

[Guest Baern]

It looks as though the balance pass for Arms directly targets Exploit the Weakness and Focused Rage. For wordup, some questions:

• Does this mean I should find different relics for my EtW relics now that the trait's power is being cut by 2/3rds?
• How does this affect our stat priorities? It seems that Mastery will be worse due to fewer Colossus Smash procs and less Colossus Smash uptime and haste might be better so you can fish for procs?
• Should I be hitting Colossus Smash on cooldown still or waiting to try and hit 100% uptime? 
• Will the Overpower build take over the Focused Rage build with the Focused Rage nerf?

Thanks

[Valks 2,375]

Just now, Guest Baern said:

It looks as though the balance pass for Arms directly targets Exploit the Weakness and Focused Rage.

All of these questions are going to take time to answer. Theorycrafters are trying to keep their information quite hidden currently so that people don't take it as complete truth right now. There is still testing to be done and still new changes are possible. Keep an eye on the guide for when we release an update.

[Mosmorgan 2]

1 hour ago, Blainie said:

I do indeed use Simcraft. Can you make an account and thread over in the Warrior forum? I'd rather not spam this thread with images of Simcraft :)

Done :)

[Valks 2,375]

26 minutes ago, Mosmorgan said:

Done :)

OK, will get to it when I can, just need to answer some guide comments first! :)

[Guest tripconn]

With the latest round of extremely punishing hotfix nurfs to FR and exploit the weakness. It the FR build still the go to? 

We're gonna see massively leas resets and less dmg on ms now :(

[Valks 2,375]

Generic comment being mass posted over the comments threads guys.

We are aware of the changes and our writers are working hard to update the guides to suit what has changed. Currently, there is a lot of work still to be done and it's unlikely that every guide will be up-to-date immediately. Expect a flood of updates over the coming days that will answer all of your questions about what is now best after X change, in time for the reset next week.

Thanks for your understanding and patience.

[Valks 2,375]

5 hours ago, Guest tripconn said:

With the latest round of extremely punishing hotfix nurfs to FR and exploit the weakness. It the FR build still the go to? 

We're gonna see massively leas resets and less dmg on ms now :(

See above, thanks!

[Guest Prometheus]

Hi Everyone,

Just here to ask you all if anyone has the correct stat template for the pawn addon in regards to the arms warrior.

Thanks again. 

[Valks 2,375]

38 minutes ago, Guest Prometheus said:

Hi Everyone,

Just here to ask you all if anyone has the correct stat template for the pawn addon in regards to the arms warrior.

Thanks again. 

These are from the guide. Keep in mind two things:

• They are general, so are not perfect for your character and can even be wrong due to it. If you want perfect ones, sim your own character.
• These are pre-raid weights, so for 840 gear.

These were calculated using the Advanced build, and 840 Pre-Raid gear:

• Mastery: 1.33
• Strength: 1
• Versatility: 0.88
• Haste: 0.81
• Critical Strike: 0.65

[Guest Jaypie]

On 23.9.2016 at 10:52 PM, Guest Naruyn said:

Hello guys. I am a Fury warrior, but I'm feeling bound to switch to Arms (and I really don't like Arms), because by the logs it seems to be doing a lot more dps than Fury (by now I'm still being able to catch other warriors dps, even being behind other classes that do 250K+ at the end of a fight like normal Xavius). May you please explain something to me about the FR build for arms? I didn't get how I should use FR.

*Should I spam it until I get 3 stacks and them hit Slam until I get CS again?

*And if MS get out of cd, I should use it and then stack again?

*I'm macroing FR with Harmstring, is there anything I can do about the rage starve, besides doing heroic charge?

Thank you all (and hope fury gets better ;p)

It's pretty simple...

Your "Rotation" is keep CS and MS on CD.

While those spells are on CD you have to spend your Rage with the priority : FR until 3 Stacks > Slam > Harmstring

You have to ensure, that you have enough rage to use your next MS when it comes of CD. (Track you Swingtimer or do Heroic Charge)

If you are out of rage, just Autohit, just ensure you can pull off your next MS

Macroing FR with Harmstring makes no sense. You will get ragestarved a lot if u do this. Use Harmstring when u have 3 Stacks of FR up and still to much rage to dump while spammen slams.

It's important that you spent as much rage as you can, so you pull out more spells(more dmg) and reset your CS/MS Cooldown but not so much rage that you can't use your next MS.

Arms is all about Ragemanagement.

Fury won't be viable until they change that +30% damage taken bullshit.

[Valks 2,375]

13 hours ago, Guest Jaypie said:

It's pretty simple...

Thanks for grabbing this, not sure how I missed the comment!