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13 hours ago, Whisla said:

Out of curiosity, ask mr robot wants me to use 2 835 agi crit trinkets over Natures call 850 and PvP insig 840 (Vers with agi proc).

Is this right? I cant seem to get much of any different numbers from self testing and i assume AMR is just weighting pure stats atm.

Do me a favour and make a thread in the Demon Hunter forum so I can sim this for you. Don't want to forget to do it.

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4 hours ago, Blainie said:

Do me a favour and make a thread in the Demon Hunter forum so I can sim this for you. Don't want to forget to do it.

It is made sir.

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Hey guys,

Here my stats : 49% crit / 6% haste / 14% mastery / 7% versatility.

 

Do you think i have too much crit ? I also read that it's better to prioritize mastery than versatility now, what do you guys thinks ?

 

Thx :)

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On 30/09/2016 at 4:56 AM, Guest Phantom said:

Just wondering, would Raddon's Cascading EyesRaddon's Cascading Eyes affect our choices for the first & last tier talents in an end game (raid / mythic+) environment? (i.e. default choices still fel mastery & chaos blades / fel barrage, and blind fury / demonic will still be bad even with the reduced eye beam cooldown?)

Unfortunately no, Blind Fury can maybe get you some small bonus results in larger stacked AoE, but realistically losing the effect of additional Fury and even the recently nerfed Fel Mastery damage is not worth it from all results I have seen. Demonic in the same sense isn't worth it due to just how many targets you need to be consistently resetting Eye Beam that low.

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23 hours ago, Spikey said:

Do you think i have too much crit ? I also read that it's better to prioritize mastery than versatility now, what do you guys thinks ?

Where have you read this and what was the calculation behind it?

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5 hours ago, Zaronia said:

Hey I've been wondering if there's any guidelines for certain stats? (e.g. 40% crit 20% Vers 15% Haste 5% Mastery)

Currently have these http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightbringer/Zaronia/simple any suggestions what I should focus on etc.

As my DPS seems on the lower side, but that might be my rotation/talents

I can't really give much help here without a log to look at and see if you're just under-performing. Please make a thread in the DH forum with a log posted so we can take a look.

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1 hour ago, Blainie said:

Where have you read this and what was the calculation behind it?

Some players said that because versatility ask too much stats to gain % (Cause with versatility, we gain damage AND also damage reduction), while mastery is more easier to gain and up directly your chaos damage regardless of defense.

Maybe versatility is good for more survivability but if we are good for dodge AoE, maybe mastery/hate is better ? I don't know.

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4 minutes ago, Spikey said:

Some players said that because versatility ask too much stats to gain % (with versatility, we gain damage and also damage reduction), while mastery is more easier to gain and up directly your chaos damage regardless of defense.

Maybe versatility is good for more survivability but if we are good for dodge AoE, maybe mastery/hate is better ? I don't know.

Checked with sims for 3 different gear levels, Mastery is bottom for every single one, so it seems not.

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8 minutes ago, Blainie said:

Checked with sims for 3 different gear levels, Mastery is bottom for every single one, so it seems not.

Ok :)

So you advise to stay crit/versa whatever our % are ? With my 50% crit, i was thinking to stop increase it to increase other statistics maybe ?

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25 minutes ago, Spikey said:

Ok :)

So you advise to stay crit/versa whatever our % are ? With my 50% crit, i was thinking to stop increase it to increase other statistics maybe ?

Yeah, one of the DHs I simmed was Rippa from Exorsus. They have 42% unbuffed Crit from the armoury. Mastery was definitely still bottom there.

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Guest Riddler

Have you tried ask mr robots simulator? is it as good as simulationcraft?  it appeals to me because i can change gear easily and sim again quickly.  But i am not sure how true it is to in game results.

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Hello guys, first time here

I would like your opinions on my trinkets, i actually have Bloodthirsty InstinctBloodthirsty Instinct HWarforged 870 (1486agi, 2957haste/10s) and Nightmare Egg ShellNightmare Egg Shell M+3 Warforged 855 (1292agi, 356haste/20s). I got today Faulty CountermeasureFaulty Countermeasure M+8 870 (1005Crit, 57,279frost dmg/8sec) and Unstable Arcanocrystal. I know i prolly keep the bloodthirsty but i can't figure out what could be best for the other. 

Thanks, and keep up, the guide is very helpfull !

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19 hours ago, Guest Riddler said:

Have you tried ask mr robots simulator? is it as good as simulationcraft?  it appeals to me because i can change gear easily and sim again quickly.  But i am not sure how true it is to in game results.

From what I generally see in the questions people ask, AMR gives very different results from Simcraft. I'd be careful using it. Not saying it's necessarily bad, just not as accurate as SC.

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1 hour ago, jeruthy said:

Hello guys, first time here

I would like your opinions on my trinkets, i actually have Bloodthirsty InstinctBloodthirsty Instinct HWarforged 870 (1486agi, 2957haste/10s) and Nightmare Egg ShellNightmare Egg Shell M+3 Warforged 855 (1292agi, 356haste/20s). I got today Faulty CountermeasureFaulty Countermeasure M+8 870 (1005Crit, 57,279frost dmg/8sec) and Unstable Arcanocrystal. I know i prolly keep the bloodthirsty but i can't figure out what could be best for the other. 

Thanks, and keep up, the guide is very helpfull !

Bloodthirsty + Countermeasure.

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Hi,

My overall gear score is at 857 at the moment. I followed the Stat priority on Icy veins (Agi>Crit>Vers>Haste>Mastery) as good as possibly. My current stats are 49,5% crit, 7% Vers, 4% Haste, 14% Mastery.

I also followed the spec recommended and played around a bit. Currently I am using:

Fel Mastery

Prepared

Bloodlet

Soul Rendering

Momentum

Master of the Glaive

Chaos Blades

I am doing decent AoE damage but when it comes to single target, my dps is around 180k - 190k which just sucks for my ilvl.

This is how I use my abilities:

"Fel Rush" in, use "Fury of the Ilidary" and "Throw Glaive" then "Vengeful Retreat" out and while in the air use second charge of "Throw Glaive". I build up Fury with "Demon Bite" then pop "Metamorphosis" and "Chaos Blades". Now I use up my fury by using "Annihilation". I use a combo of  "Fel Rush" and/or "Vengeful Retreat" in sync with "Throw Glaive" whenever possible and while on the mob I use "Demon Bite" + "Annihilation/Chaos Strike".

What am I missing here? I think I must be doing something fundamentally wrong.

Cheers for helping me out!

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4 hours ago, Deathwing said:

What am I missing here? I think I must be doing something fundamentally wrong.

There really isn't much I can do to help without a log, honestly. I know you listed your rotation, but what you think you are doing could be completely different from what is happening while you are in an encounter. 

Can you make a thread in the Demon Hunter forum and show a log of you playing?

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Guest someone

Hey! Why is the best in slot trinket on 820? i mean its also available in higher gs^^

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Guest Nickums

Howdy! I just got a higher ilvl relic (850) with the decrease cooldown on meta trait. My current Fel relics are (850) + 10 fury and (840) +crit dmg on chaos blades. Should I replace either? My current stats are 40% crit, 10% haste, 15% Mastery, 9% vers, and ilvl 854 if that helps!

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Hey guys,

I have these 3 trinckets : Memento of Angerboda  / Ravaged seed pod / Six-Feather Fan

Ravaged seem really good to do mythics+ with the AoE use. But i don't know which other trincket use with it. Memento of Angerboda give me 4200 of a random stat, which is really strong. And six-feather is also really strong...

 

Some ideas guys ? :D

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On 10/7/2016 at 6:51 PM, Guest someone said:

Hey! Why is the best in slot trinket on 820? i mean its also available in higher gs^^

That is the base item level for the trinket. There isn't much point in putting it in at 905, since you are so unlikely to get it.

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On 10/9/2016 at 9:29 AM, Guest Nickums said:

Howdy! I just got a higher ilvl relic (850) with the decrease cooldown on meta trait. My current Fel relics are (850) + 10 fury and (840) +crit dmg on chaos blades. Should I replace either? My current stats are 40% crit, 10% haste, 15% Mastery, 9% vers, and ilvl 854 if that helps!

It most likely isn't worth replacing, due to the fact that the CDR is only useful in the event that it grants you another usage, which is basically never.

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11 hours ago, Spikey said:

Hey guys,

I have these 3 trinckets : Memento of Angerboda  / Ravaged seed pod / Six-Feather Fan

Ravaged seem really good to do mythics+ with the AoE use. But i don't know which other trincket use with it. Memento of Angerboda give me 4200 of a random stat, which is really strong. And six-feather is also really strong...

 

Some ideas guys ? :D

Six Feather Fan is amazing.

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Guest Kjc666

Hi guys!
Back on the subject of Mastery vs Crit.
I have stats mainly in crit and going for vers.
I am currently Ilvl 815 (just dinged) and was in a hc the other day, a similar Ilvl DH  who was stats in mastery, and gear base level for crit.
OK our trees where slightly different, but we both had Bloodlet and Glaive throw.
His damage for bloodlet was 3rd highest on recount, and on average 20K higher dps per boss. but overall he was 170K compared to my 150K+
I know its hard to make a judgement without seeing this guys stats / build, but it has me thinking if mastery is more beneficial over crit. OK, there might be more points to % damage
Also is there a soft cap for crit? im sitting on 38% unbuffed when do I start stacking vers?

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8 hours ago, Guest Kjc666 said:

Hi guys!
Back on the subject of Mastery vs Crit.
I have stats mainly in crit and going for vers.
I am currently Ilvl 815 (just dinged) and was in a hc the other day, a similar Ilvl DH  who was stats in mastery, and gear base level for crit.
OK our trees where slightly different, but we both had Bloodlet and Glaive throw.
His damage for bloodlet was 3rd highest on recount, and on average 20K higher dps per boss. but overall he was 170K compared to my 150K+
I know its hard to make a judgement without seeing this guys stats / build, but it has me thinking if mastery is more beneficial over crit. OK, there might be more points to % damage
Also is there a soft cap for crit? im sitting on 38% unbuffed when do I start stacking vers?

There's absolutely nothing I can take from this, unfortunately. I have no idea how good either player is, what gear they have, item level of the other player, what fight was it, what boss, single target or multi-target, did he have cooldowns, did you have cooldowns, did he use potions, did he use food, did he have a legendary?

I'm sorry, but I can't help with that first part at all.

As for soft crit cap, at 45-50% you might see crit fall slightly in value, but it still may be better than Vers. Simming is the only way to check for your gearset at that point.

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