Havoc Demon Hunter 7.3

[Guest sycx2]

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3. Tier 3 Options

The trait you choose at the bottom of the Crucible should be taken from the following list (excluding Critical Chaos due to it altering your path as explained earlier). The values next to each trait is the amount of equivalent item level each trait is worth (Note that these have been calculated using the T21 set and a Demonic build):

1. Critical Chaos - 7.8
2. Chaos Vision - 1.2
3. Wide Eyes - 1.1
4. Demon Rage - 0.9
5. Contained Fury - 0.6

Unleashed Demons is hard to quantify currently due to the traits fluctuating value depending on if it gains you an extra Metamorphosis cast or not, but if it does so is a solid pick.

The traits not listed here (Illidari Knowledge, Deceiver's Fury, Overwhelming Power and Wide Eyes) are very low value traits that are either defensively oriented or provide little to no benefit, and should be avoided wherever possible.

 

Is wide eyes a typo in the "not listed" traits?

[Valks 2,375]

4 hours ago, Guest sycx2 said:

 

Is wide eyes a typo in the "not listed" traits?

It is, yeah - passing this on to Wordup.

[Guest Öboros]

Hey, I wonder if there is a opener for tier21/demonic already.

 

Some people say EB - Annihilation for 8 sec - Meta - EB - Annihilation.

Other say EB - Meta - EB - Annihilation.

 

There is also  the issue about @player meta, if it collect the souls existent or not.

 

Thanks for the answers

[Valks 2,375]

4 minutes ago, Guest Öboros said:

Hey, I wonder if there is a opener for tier21/demonic already.

Will ask Wordup.

[Rakenoth 2]

How do you feel in terms of dps from the t21, from simulation seems a downgrade compared to the t20 :( someone of you already get the full set and do some try ??

 

[Valks 2,375]

On 12/3/2017 at 9:36 AM, Rakenoth said:

How do you feel in terms of dps from the t21, from simulation seems a downgrade compared to the t20 :( someone of you already get the full set and do some try ??

 

You'll aim for T21 4-piece and end up starting to use Demonic with it.

[Guest Lilithanos]

Vengeful Retreat is listed as giving 100 Fury over 10 seconds if damage is done to an enemy. Sadly, I was looking forward to test that all day only to find out that is not the case. Please fix that. Thank you.

[Valks 2,375]

On 12/2/2017 at 1:45 PM, Guest Öboros said:

Hey, I wonder if there is a opener for tier21/demonic already.

Just to let you know if you haven't seen it already, the T21 opener is in the guide now :)

[Valks 2,375]

On 12/6/2017 at 11:05 PM, Guest Lilithanos said:

Vengeful Retreat is listed as giving 100 Fury over 10 seconds if damage is done to an enemy. Sadly, I was looking forward to test that all day only to find out that is not the case. Please fix that. Thank you.

Where are you seeing this? I can't find the mention of it to get WU to remove it.

[Guest Angstridden]

Quick question re. t21/demonic opener;

Do you Eyebeam, then use "actual" Meta before eyebeam-Meta is over,

or, do you EB, use EB-Meta 'till it's over, THEN cast actual-Meta (and then EB)?

Is EB-Meta different from actual-Meta?

[Valks 2,375]

13 hours ago, Guest Angstridden said:

Is EB-Meta different from actual-Meta?

There is no difference, no. Activate when it drops.

[Guest Kaelderina]

i cannot stand the changes to the spec in 7.3.2, the meme beam (demonic) build incorporated into the tier set forces you into an aoe style build and takes away from the amazing single target burst. I am overall very unhappy. I'm not sure if im just not playing it right are there any demonic build DH out there capable of 4mil burst with the new tier 21 build on single target?

[Valks 2,375]

On 12/13/2017 at 2:00 AM, Guest Kaelderina said:

i cannot stand the changes to the spec in 7.3.2, the meme beam (demonic) build incorporated into the tier set forces you into an aoe style build and takes away from the amazing single target burst. I am overall very unhappy. I'm not sure if im just not playing it right are there any demonic build DH out there capable of 4mil burst with the new tier 21 build on single target?

Demonic build is still very much capable of hitting that level of burst. #1 rank Demonic player on Garothi heroic peaked at 4.373 M DPS.

[Rakenoth 2]

On 13/12/2017 at 3:00 AM, Guest Kaelderina said:

i cannot stand the changes to the spec in 7.3.2, the meme beam (demonic) build incorporated into the tier set forces you into an aoe style build and takes away from the amazing single target burst. I am overall very unhappy. I'm not sure if im just not playing it right are there any demonic build DH out there capable of 4mil burst with the new tier 21 build on single target?

If you get a nice proc with the shard you can do a  big burst at the start, but trust me at the end of the fight 95% of the time you are over the old chaos blade build in terms of dps and it's a lot more funny to play this new playstyle

[Valks 2,375]

19 hours ago, Rakenoth said:

If you get a nice proc with the shard you can do a  big burst at the start, but trust me at the end of the fight 95% of the time you are over the old chaos blade build in terms of dps and it's a lot more funny to play this new playstyle

It's definitely a nice feeling proccing Demonic! Feels a bit more Demon Hunter-y than CB did.

[Frozenkex 0]

What if Eye beam comes off cooldown quickly during meta? Is it worth using it for haste buff and fury alone? Or is it better for meta to end to ensure max meta uptime?

[Valks 2,375]

4 hours ago, Frozenkex said:

What if Eye beam comes off cooldown quickly during meta? Is it worth using it for haste buff and fury alone? Or is it better for meta to end to ensure max meta uptime?

Eye Beam proc will extend Meta duration, so use it.

[Frozenkex 0]

8 hours ago, Blainie said:

Eye Beam proc will extend Meta duration, so use it.

It can only extend meta once, afaik, you can't infinitely extend meta under any situation. So when you use Eye Beam second time after reset from  Demon Reborn, you can't extend it again. So i'm talking about that kind of situation.

Edited January 3, 2018 by Frozenkex

[Valks 2,375]

17 hours ago, Frozenkex said:

It can only extend meta once, afaik, you can't infinitely extend meta under any situation. So when you use Eye Beam second time after reset from  Demon Reborn, you can't extend it again. So i'm talking about that kind of situation.

If you're in a situation where you're able to drop the CD that easily, just keep casting it on CD then. Regardless of if you get the extended time or not, unless in the last few seconds. You'll need to use judgement on the last moments of Meta, since you might want to hold it if there's only less than 5 seconds on Meta. You might still use it if there's a large add pack up, though. It's a decision of the DPS increase of using your last Beam on the adds for AoE damage or using it to trigger a short Meta straight after. Will depend on number of adds, when they spawn, etc.

[Hellsscythe 0]

Hello.

I have some questions regarding Havoc DH, can someone please look at my stats and items and tell me if I'm on the right track or not?
I don't have DEMONIC yet, but working on it, rearely have time when guild raids are so I make slow progress. 
Here is my link and picture if link doesn't work.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/magtheridon/hellsscythe

Thanks in advance.

[Valks 2,375]

3 hours ago, Hellsscythe said:

Hello.

I have some questions regarding Havoc DH, can someone please look at my stats and items and tell me if I'm on the right track or not?
I don't have DEMONIC yet, but working on it, rearely have time when guild raids are so I make slow progress. 
Here is my link and picture if link doesn't work.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/magtheridon/hellsscythe

Thanks in advance.

There aren't really stat points to aim or anything to tell you if you're "on the right track". If you're worried about your performance, just post a log to the Demon Hunter class forum and you'll get playstyle help there. All gearing decisions are pretty much made by simulation anyway, so it's tough to go wrong on that front as a DPS spec.

[Guest Rykaern]

I'm trying to understand why having Raddon's and AotHG ends up doing more damage then having Soul of the Slayer and AotHG? I feel like having that damage boost from having both Chaos Cleave and First Blood would be more effective. I don't have soul of AotHG yet so i can't sim it but i would like to know

[Valks 2,375]

On 2/22/2018 at 12:08 AM, Guest Rykaern said:

I'm trying to understand why having Raddon's and AotHG ends up doing more damage then having Soul of the Slayer and AotHG? I feel like having that damage boost from having both Chaos Cleave and First Blood would be more effective. I don't have soul of AotHG yet so i can't sim it but i would like to know

Chaos Cleave gives no bonus in single-target and is pretty weak in AoE. On the other hand, Bloodlet is OK on AoE, but poor on ST since it was nerfed a while back. 

With T21, which rotates around Eye Beam usage, Raddon's is a massive increase. 

[Guest Peter]

2.1. Demonic / Tier 21 Opener

1. Use Potion of Prolonged Power just before the pull.
2. Cast Nemesis on your primary target.
3. Cast Fury of the Illidari.
4. Cast Demon's Bite until you reach 30 Fury.
5. Cast Eye Beam to trigger Metamorphosis.
6. Cast Metamorphosis.
7. Cast Annihilation until your Betrayer's Fury effect has ended.
8. Cast Eye Beam to extend your Metamorphosis and generate Fury.
9. Continue to cast Annihilation.
10. Continue with Single Target Rotation.

 

Isnt it better to

1- Fel Rush to the boss (gap closer)
2- Demon's Bite to 30 Fury (or whatever your Eye Beam costs)
3- Nemesis
4- Fury of the Illidari
5- Eye Beam

At this point, unleash hell until you run out of Fury without consuming souls. There's a misconception here, people like to stay here until Meta runs out. There's no point spamming DBites at this point.

6- When out of Fury, use Metamorphosis. This will reset Eye Beam duration and extend the duration of Metamorphosis 30 seconds.
7- DBite / Arcane Torrent to 30 fury for Eye Beam.
8- Use Eye Beam. This will increase Meta duration another 8 seconds.
9- Unleash hell and proceed with normal rotation. You can consume souls now, keeping an eye you don't overcap fury or consume them when Eye Beam is ready to use.

 

[Valks 2,375]

On 04/04/2018 at 2:50 AM, Guest Peter said:

2.1. Demonic / Tier 21 Opener

1. Use Potion of Prolonged Power just before the pull.
2. Cast Nemesis on your primary target.
3. Cast Fury of the Illidari.
4. Cast Demon's Bite until you reach 30 Fury.
5. Cast Eye Beam to trigger Metamorphosis.
6. Cast Metamorphosis.
7. Cast Annihilation until your Betrayer's Fury effect has ended.
8. Cast Eye Beam to extend your Metamorphosis and generate Fury.
9. Continue to cast Annihilation.
10. Continue with Single Target Rotation.

 

Isnt it better to

1- Fel Rush to the boss (gap closer)
2- Demon's Bite to 30 Fury (or whatever your Eye Beam costs)
3- Nemesis
4- Fury of the Illidari
5- Eye Beam

At this point, unleash hell until you run out of Fury without consuming souls. There's a misconception here, people like to stay here until Meta runs out. There's no point spamming DBites at this point.

6- When out of Fury, use Metamorphosis. This will reset Eye Beam duration and extend the duration of Metamorphosis 30 seconds.
7- DBite / Arcane Torrent to 30 fury for Eye Beam.
8- Use Eye Beam. This will increase Meta duration another 8 seconds.
9- Unleash hell and proceed with normal rotation. You can consume souls now, keeping an eye you don't overcap fury or consume them when Eye Beam is ready to use.

 

There's no reason to DB before Nemesis - you are just wasting time at the start of the fight when it's not active and dealing damage rather than buffing your DB casts.

Also, for Fel Rush, assuming you have a Rogue (which most groups do) there is no benefit to using Fel Rush unless you need to close a large gap. You will start on top of the boss due to Shroud if you have a Rogue, exception here would be Eonar, where it's in your interest to start with Rush over the adds into Fury + Beam, or Coven where you can clip all 3.

For your point between 5 and 6, there's no point in just using Meta when you run out of Fury. The important thing here is the tier bonus and you should be using the full duration of it before popping Meta again. You're losing DPS by popping Meta before it runs out just because you are out of Fury.