Secrets Midrange Hunter Standard

[Guest ThisRandomGuy]

On 11/19/2016 at 0:28 PM, positiv2 said:

If you have any more replays you aren't sure about, feel free to send them to us.

So I am wondering am I supposed to place this like face hunter or am I supposed to wait and control? face hunter seems to leave me too open as in this replay but playing control is useless absolutely useless because the average health of minions used by everyone is 4 or higher and hunter cannot possibly under any circumstances deal with that early. Like in mages they always use that stupid flamewalker and wreck the field with 1 cost spells making me unable to use kill command to kill them and quick shot does not do enough damage. I am almost to the point of giving up because I have tried and tried and I went from rank 11 to rank 15 now because of this hunter stuff. It is almost like hunter is too easily countered  even by other hunters. They always get first blood against me. Also as soon as i start playing secrets everyone stops playing spells. Like literally zero spells making my cat secrets useless. 

In conclusion it feels like everyone and there mother knows how to counter and shut down hunter decks so easy that it is possible the worst deck in the meta at this point. I don't know maybe it is just me but I am going 10-24 with this deck at this point no matter how I adapt and change to meet the meta I am seeing. I don't understand this deck was winning a few days ago really well what changed?

https://hsreplay.net/replay/BSzt5dzU3ap3mJZi4oVsUm Battle with Shaman I just had.

https://hsreplay.net/replay/6tB9rFA7aFTTSc3hLvdK8m  Battle against a mage I had a little bit ago that is how all my battles with mages go. 

[Valks 2,375]

4 hours ago, Guest ThisRandomGuy said:

https://hsreplay.net/replay/BSzt5dzU3ap3mJZi4oVsUm Battle with Shaman I just had.

Some analysis:

• First mistake on turn 3 was not killing the totem. He knew that you had freezing trap down and didn't attack with the Totem Golem, which meant that he must have already had a plan to remove your FT and keep the TG on the board. You should have killed the Healing Totem.
• Turn 4, you could have played it better. Animal Companion would have given you a better result in every case, regardless of what it rolled. Misha 4/4 that stops TG, Leokk that lets you trade into the TG and leave a 4/1 behind, Huffer that kills TG and lets you keep Huntress alive. 
• On that final turn of yours, having that 7/7 is super dangerous. I feel like you got slightly too greedy, pushed for the win and didn't think through what he COULD have had. Either trading or pushing with Animal Companion (pray for Huffer) and killing the 7/7 would have been better.

5 hours ago, Guest ThisRandomGuy said:

https://hsreplay.net/replay/6tB9rFA7aFTTSc3hLvdK8m  Battle against a mage I had a little bit ago that is how all my battles with mages go. 

Some analysis:

• Turn 4, why did you Barnes there? Bow would have been far better. You would have killed the 3/2, forced the Mana Wyrm back into his hand. This would have given you another charge on the bow too. With 1 Highmane and 1 Wolf in hand, the likelihood of an amazing draw is unlikely.
• For the rest, he got lucky on the Cabalist's Arcane draw.

[positiv2 953]

To add a few more misplays: 

On turn 3 in the first replay - after you played the Eaglehorn bow you should not have gone face. Against shaman you want to be able to clear the board. You also should have played Animal Companion instead. If you got gotten Leokk, trading with Cloaked Huntress would be advantageous. If you got Huffer, you could have traded it into Totem Golem and then kill the Healing Totem. If you got Misha, he would have been forced to lose his board to clear it.

Again on turn 4, you should not have hit face with Eaglehorn Bow.

O turn 6 I believe you saw that trading into one of the totems (did not matter which one) would have saved you and possibly give you lethal for the next turn.

Replay 2:

Keeping Animal Companion while possibly throwing Barnes away would have been alright.

Using Eaglehorn Bow to clear the Mana Wyrm instead of Quick Shot would have been better as you would have saved your Quick Shot for possible Ethereal Conjurer (which did happen) or to refill your hand later, as you were slowly running out of cards. Again, hitting face was not really that good since tempo mage has many Eaglehorn Bow targets, such as Cult Sorcerer or Sorcerer's Apprentice.

[Guest ThisRandomGuy]

17 hours ago, positiv2 said:

To add a few more misplays: 

So first of all thank you all for helping me out I have noticed an improvement in my abilities and decision making. I am now stuck between rank 11-10. I can get to ten but the problem is EVERYONE in ten is a shaman. EVERYONE! No matter what I do they are invincible to me. How do you plan when everytime they always get the same op hand. the 7/7 which is hard as balls for any hunter to deal with. and the rest is 1 or 2 cost damage spells. I just went against a shaman who had a spell for litterally every creature I played all game. Grandma wolf and cat in the hat are useless because they just use a 1 cost spell to nuke grandma then do the 2 cost 2 damage spell. No matter how much I waste my spells and weapons and creature attacks to clear the board and especially get rid of the stupid spell damage minions EVERY shaman has that stupid hero spell and of course like 10 different spell damage cards in their deck. Why are they so invincible and why does blizzard think its a good idea to buff them with the upcoming cards with the new expansion. If anything they should be nerfed HARD.

I dont mean to rage or anything like that but when a class is invincible to you and that is the only deck anyone will play because everyone is uncreative and doesn't want to try in order to beat people, (seriously a monkey could play shaman or even warrior in their sleep and win!) it makes me very frustrated. The main problem is health the max health any card in the entire hunter arsenal can get is 5 and that is the silvermane. Shamans and warriors deal 5 damage and have mana left over for another spell or creature or hero power as easily as taking a crap. 

Should I keep trying to get to rank 5 or wait until the meta gets screwed up because it is impossible at this point? 

[Valks 2,375]

6 hours ago, Guest ThisRandomGuy said:

Should I keep trying to get to rank 5 or wait until the meta gets screwed up because it is impossible at this point? 

Hunter's Mark could be useful with dealing with the 7/7s. If you are struggling with too much removal on their side, perhaps look into more stealth minions? Stranglethorn Tiger perhaps?

[positiv2 953]

8 hours ago, Guest ThisRandomGuy said:

So first of all thank you all for helping me out I have noticed an improvement in my abilities and decision making. I am now stuck between rank 11-10. I can get to ten but the problem is EVERYONE in ten is a shaman. EVERYONE! No matter what I do they are invincible to me. How do you plan when everytime they always get the same op hand. the 7/7 which is hard as balls for any hunter to deal with. and the rest is 1 or 2 cost damage spells. I just went against a shaman who had a spell for litterally every creature I played all game. Grandma wolf and cat in the hat are useless because they just use a 1 cost spell to nuke grandma then do the 2 cost 2 damage spell. No matter how much I waste my spells and weapons and creature attacks to clear the board and especially get rid of the stupid spell damage minions EVERY shaman has that stupid hero spell and of course like 10 different spell damage cards in their deck. Why are they so invincible and why does blizzard think its a good idea to buff them with the upcoming cards with the new expansion. If anything they should be nerfed HARD.

I dont mean to rage or anything like that but when a class is invincible to you and that is the only deck anyone will play because everyone is uncreative and doesn't want to try in order to beat people, (seriously a monkey could play shaman or even warrior in their sleep and win!) it makes me very frustrated. The main problem is health the max health any card in the entire hunter arsenal can get is 5 and that is the silvermane. Shamans and warriors deal 5 damage and have mana left over for another spell or creature or hero power as easily as taking a crap. 

Should I keep trying to get to rank 5 or wait until the meta gets screwed up because it is impossible at this point? 

You should be able to have about 50/50 WR against shammy. What I saw was that your playstyle against aggro shaman was a bit too aggressive. Maybe reduce the aggressivity a big and focus a bit more on keeping a board.
If you really want to push for rank 5 before the season's end, you might want to switch to freeze mage or control warrior, though both decks are considered to be rather expensive. You could also consider running a tech card, just like Blainie recommended you to.

[Sarasin 0]

Is there coming an updated (MSG) secrets deck? :)

[KingMe 289]

18 minutes ago, Sarasin said:

Is there coming an updated (MSG) secrets deck? :)

I'm pretty sure Sottle has something in the works. 

[positiv2 953]

10 hours ago, Sarasin said:

Is there coming an updated (MSG) secrets deck? :)

Sottle told me he'd put it on the top of his to-do list, and that he will try to upload it tomorrow.