T16 Warlock Style - Heroic & Mythic

[Kazistrasz 216]

Yes, when a mob is stunned its swing timer is reset. Stunning a lot of adds will make them all swing at once on your tank, which can lead to some instagibbing if they're not prepared for it. That said, a good tank can stagger those swings out using positioning and movement with the mobs (i.e., be in range of some of them to get some swings but move before the others get to range and swing).

[Djargo 4]

Next boss for us is Malkorok, did u actually play Destro there Zagam? looking on the fight there seems to be so much to move from where, it would be easier as affli with KJC to move from, where as chaos bolts cast time is so anonying, I know demo could be an idea, but im so sad about that spec ever since the nerfs ;_;

[Lockybalboa 618]

Next boss for us is Malkorok, did u actually play Destro there Zagam? looking on the fight there seems to be so much to move from where, it would be easier as affli with KJC to move from, where as chaos bolts cast time is so anonying, I know demo could be an idea, but im so sad about that spec ever since the nerfs ;_;

 

 

Destro works fine. Just have to plan things out a little. The small add coming out so much helps out for embers. All three specs do well tbh, I was demo for the progression kill (pre-nerf) mostly for the Dark Apoc glyph so I could eat blood rage easier.

[Twona 1]

I went affliction for H Malkorok, seemed to do very well and can get shards back from the adds. They die extremely fast and getting a havoc + CB off was too hard since they would be dead before CB even landed.

[Simplexity 0]

Next boss for us is Malkorok, did u actually play Destro there Zagam? looking on the fight there seems to be so much to move from where, it would be easier as affli with KJC to move from, where as chaos bolts cast time is so anonying, I know demo could be an idea, but im so sad about that spec ever since the nerfs ;_;

 

I did pretty well on Malkorok this week as Destro with Soul Leech/Soul Link/GoSac. You'll have a ~900K HP pool which will make your Soul Leech shields almost 150K, letting you safely just turret and never worry about moving from orbs (only when you have to soak an Implosion). If you're doing 300K DPS your Soul Leech shield will completely fill in 5 seconds so it will always be up between orbs.

[Kazistrasz 216]

Starting heroics tonight.

 

Wow, I haven't said that in quite a long time. I should stop taking long breaks from this game.

 

For Immerseus, Swelling Corruption says it triggers on Single Target abilities. 

I'm assuming this means only the initial cast and the DoT itself doesn't trigger it when it ticks, yeah?

If I drop RoF on the boss (in addition to dropping one on the adds), will that trigger a stack if it's the only thing it hits?

Since I use GoSac, is it permissible (IYO) to sac the imp and go past 2 stacks (like, 4?) using Singe to quickly dispel myself? (Whichever video I watched said it could be dispelled, or at least I thought the video said that...).

[Rakupenda 15]

Starting heroics tonight.

 

Wow, I haven't said that in quite a long time. I should stop taking long breaks from this game.

 

For Immerseus, Swelling Corruption says it triggers on Single Target abilities. 

I'm assuming this means only the initial cast and the DoT itself doesn't trigger it when it ticks, yeah?

If I drop RoF on the boss (in addition to dropping one on the adds), will that trigger a stack if it's the only thing it hits?

Since I use GoSac, is it permissible (IYO) to sac the imp and go past 2 stacks (like, 4?) using Singe to quickly dispel myself? (Whichever video I watched said it could be dispelled, or at least I thought the video said that...).

You said you were 25 man, right? The stacks aren't really that big of an issue. You dot it up and do a couple abilities, then switch to adds. It's basically normal with some adds. Every stack taken from the boss and applied to a player spawns an add, 50? total.

 

The first eight bosses are undertuned for heroics, imo.

[Soulzar 42]

What I do is build myself up to 3-4, dispel with unbound will, drop some RoF cast CB's until i stack up again.. then swap and nuke down the adds.  I have not used, though imagine the imp dispel will also work which would basically allow you to cheese the entire mechanic.  That said, you will need to swap off to adds anyways.. so its not a huge thing to worry about.

 

Also, it was mentioned by Zags I think.. while generally you prepot then use your second pot at the end during execute, you will want to use your second pot on his reform after first transition, as the fight is front loaded and gets easier as you go on, so best used as soon as its off cooldown for that second burn.

 

GL on PBI

Edited October 29, 2013 by Soulzar

[Zagam 1,982]

Starting heroics tonight.

 

Wow, I haven't said that in quite a long time. I should stop taking long breaks from this game.

 

For Immerseus, Swelling Corruption says it triggers on Single Target abilities. 

I'm assuming this means only the initial cast and the DoT itself doesn't trigger it when it ticks, yeah?

If I drop RoF on the boss (in addition to dropping one on the adds), will that trigger a stack if it's the only thing it hits?

Since I use GoSac, is it permissible (IYO) to sac the imp and go past 2 stacks (like, 4?) using Singe to quickly dispel myself? (Whichever video I watched said it could be dispelled, or at least I thought the video said that...).

Rain of Fire and Fire and Brimstone spells will not apply a stack.  Immolate's initial hit will give a stack, but each tick thereafter will not. 

 

You can't sacrifice your Imp AND have Singe Magic.  If you want Singe, you need to go Supremacy and keep your Imp out.

Correction: Sacrificing an Imp gives Single Magic, but not the AoE version. 

[Rakupenda 15]

PBI yay! Finally!

[Kazistrasz 216]

You said you were 25 man, right? The stacks aren't really that big of an issue. You dot it up and do a couple abilities, then switch to adds. It's basically normal with some adds. Every stack taken from the boss and applied to a player spawns an add, 50? total.

 

The first eight bosses are undertuned for heroics, imo.

 

No, no. I do 10-man. Ew 25. 

 

 

 

Rain of Fire and Fire and Brimstone spells will not apply a stack.  Immolate's initial hit will give a stack, but each tick thereafter will not. 

 

You can't sacrifice your Imp AND have Singe Magic.  If you want Singe, you need to go Supremacy and keep your Imp out.

 

Uhhh... yes, you can. Sacrificing the Imp gives you Singe Magic for your Command Demon in the same way that the puppy gives you Spell Lock and the void walker gives you Shadow Bulwark.

[Nytemare 2]

Haven't visited this forum in a while but, after viewing the last few pages, I have a couple tips/tricks(open for criticism).

In regards to the immolate spreading discussion: I always use havoc on CD to spread it. Immo off target havoc second off target then proceed with normal rotation on main target.(only done for opener on pandas for faster initial ember build.)

I've also had more success with Destro on normal mode thok. Just make sure I've burnt through all my embers during DS and lower stacks. Once you can no longer fit a cb in between interupts you should still be able to fit on immo and incin casts and just alternate with fb. Glyphed unending resolve timed around devo when you get procs to avoid ember capping.

Just my thoughts

 

Kk I am a noob but what is this alternate with FB? do you mean FF (Fel Flame) I can't figure out the spell - immolate and Incinerate I got, just not that one

[Nyanchan 2]

I just noticed the other day that its completely possible to keep using fast soulfires (the ones with the proc) on thok if u spam fel flame until he interrupts/is about to, and then cast the soulfire. Not sure if its cuz of my latency or something but even at high stacks 20+ it still casts them if i do it this way.

[Demyndra 6]

Rain of Fire and Fire and Brimstone spells will not apply a stack.  Immolate's initial hit will give a stack, but each tick thereafter will not. 

 

You can't sacrifice your Imp AND have Singe Magic.  If you want Singe, you need to go Supremacy and keep your Imp out.

 

No, no. I do 10-man. Ew 25. 

 

 

 

 

Uhhh... yes, you can. Sacrificing the Imp gives you Singe Magic for your Command Demon in the same way that the puppy gives you Spell Lock and the void walker gives you Shadow Bulwark.

 

I think he's mixing up Singe Magic and Sear Magic...

 

Singe Magic is what you get when you Sac an Imp and it only works on the caster. 

 

Sear Magic is essentially like Mass Dispel (hits 3 targets I believe) and you get that from the Fel Imp, which you need Supremacy for.

Edited October 30, 2013 by Demyndra

[Zagam 1,982]

I got them confused because I always take Shadow Bulwark.  For dispels, you should take Unbound Will.  UW works with the stacks on Immerseus and Shadow Bulwark is a more valuable CD than Singe Magic.

[Rakupenda 15]

Kk I am a noob but what is this alternate with FB? do you mean FF (Fel Flame) I can't figure out the spell - immolate and Incinerate I got, just not that one

Fire and Brimstone. The AoE modifier for one Ember to make your (weakened slightly) Conflagrate/Immolate/Incinerate hit all the targets in the radius.

[Kazistrasz 216]

I think he's mixing up Singe Magic and Sear Magic...

 

Singe Magic is what you get when you Sac an Imp and it only works on the caster. 

 

Sear Magic is essentially like Mass Dispel (hits 3 targets I believe) and you get that from the Fel Imp, which you need Supremacy for.

 

Singe isn't actually caster-only. Friendly targets.

 

Good point, though, Zag. Had been taking BR to spread quicker. But, I'll have to make the adjustments next week. Last night was... not a good time.

[Omaric 246]

I'm going to put this here because I'm a bastard... Last night I went 3/3 on rolls and got:

 

-H PBI

-H WF boots

-H WF ring

 

Nom to the nom friends.  BELIEVE!

[Soulzar 42]

I'm going to put this here because I'm a bastard... Last night I went 3/3 on rolls and got:

 

-H PBI

-H WF boots

-H WF ring

 

Nom to the nom friends.  BELIEVE!

 

That just means PBI's are raining this week!... right??  RIGHT??

 

I got 4 rolls for this week.  Imm, Nur, Gala, DarkSham

 

I really need a trinket, got flex KTT and H Hydra!  I really need Boots, got crafted 522 boots.

[Demyndra 6]

Haven't visited this forum in a while but, after viewing the last few pages, I have a couple tips/tricks(open for criticism).

In regards to the immolate spreading discussion: I always use havoc on CD to spread it. Immo off target havoc second off target then proceed with normal rotation on main target.(only done for opener on pandas for faster initial ember build.)

I've also had more success with Destro on normal mode thok. Just make sure I've burnt through all my embers during DS and lower stacks. Once you can no longer fit a cb in between interupts you should still be able to fit on immo and incin casts and just alternate with fb. Glyphed unending resolve timed around devo when you get procs to avoid ember capping.

Just my thoughts

 

 

Kk I am a noob but what is this alternate with FB? do you mean FF (Fel Flame) I can't figure out the spell - immolate and Incinerate I got, just not that one

 

 

Fire and Brimstone. The AoE modifier for one Ember to make your (weakened slightly) Conflagrate/Immolate/Incinerate hit all the targets in the radius.

 

Yes this is correct, but I think the question of "FB?" occurred within the context of what he read by the OP.  I think the original poster meant FF, not FB.  The original comment was about normal mode Thok and with no adds in ph1 there would be no reason to F&B... unless he's using it to just dump an ember, which there are better ways to do that.

[Rakupenda 15]

I'm going to put this here because I'm a bastard... Last night I went 3/3 on rolls and got:

 

-H PBI

-H WF boots

-H WF ring

 

Nom to the nom friends.  BELIEVE!

Yeah I got 3/3 rolls too...Only needed two of them, though.

H PBI

H Shoulders off of Norushen

Thok gave me some gloves... >_>

 

Weird week.

[Omaric 246]

Yeah I got 3/3 rolls too...Only needed two of them, though.

H PBI

H Shoulders off of Norushen

Thok gave me some gloves... >_>

 

Weird week.

 

Nice!  Those shoulders are smexy too.

[Zagam 1,982]

I only have 5 upgrades left.  In order of emphasis:

 

Ring from Galakras or Thok (using 549, only piece of ToT gear, largest upgrade)

Tier Helm from Thok (using 561 version)

Tier Legs from Klaxxi (using 561 version)

Tier Gloves from Nazgrim (using 561 version)

Neck from Norushen (using 561 version)

 

I have a couple of minor upgrades like Shoulders from Norushen, Bracers from Spoils or Norushen (using Galakras ones) and a better Heroic ring than Hit/Crit (namely, Haste/Mastery, Hit/Haste, or Hit/Mastery).  I have 580 Belt and 580 weapon and passed on HWF PBI last night to someone who didn't have the trinket at all.

 

Used a Coin on Norushen hoping for Neck, Shoulders, or Bracers - got gold

Used a Coin on Galakras hoping for Ring - got Bracers already had

Saving last Coin for Thok this week.  Hoping for Ring or Helm token.

[Rakupenda 15]

I was Destro the whole night yesterday. Good times. Definitely going to try Demo for farm after this week. Running sub-5k haste, too, lol

 

 

 

Paragons as Destro:

We one-shot it this week so I didn't get the 200 attempts I did with Affi playing around with different strategies as Destro.

("Once we kill this we'll call it a night, so let's kill it." One shotted to our surprise, so we finished raid night two hours early...and I went to play OoT and beat the water temple, haha)

 

KJC still a must.

 

Think like Protectors, only mostly three targets at a time and focusing only one: keep Immolate up on the three targets and RoF as much as possible.

 

RoF parasites for embers. If you see a ton spawn, FnB Immolate (hopefully someone is gripping them together and stunning them -- makes this even better), then spam your infinite Chaos Bolts on the boss. FnB Conflagrate for 2p proc wouldn't be a bad idea, either. If for whatever reason you need to kill a parasite, Shadowburn cleave. 

 

During the two bosses to 50% and push one, (obviously) Havoc one and nuke the other. Havoc Immolate not a bad idea to save globals the rest of the fight. RoF will hit a fourth target (the Encased Amber) during the push.

 

Havoc the hungry Kunchong and nuke boss. Put another nuke or two into the Kunchong if it's still an issue.

 

Don't bother padding with the Havoc+Shadowburn X3 cleave when the bosses reach sub 20%, they'll just heal. Padpadpad.

 

Time your Chaos Bolts (not only with trinket procs) but with NON-Whirl/Hurl Amber periods during the fight. Nothing worse than having to move 2/3 through a cast for whirl and amber. It's a fairly scripted fight, so you should get comfortable with when you should and should not try to squeeze in a Chaos Bolt.

 

 

Correction on the Demonic Circle: You need to place it ahead of time or you won't be able to place it. I think when I was able to place it, I got encased in amber, so there was a brief period that I was standing still long enough to place it.

[Rakupenda 15]

I only have 5 upgrades left.  In order of emphasis:

 

Ring from Galakras or Thok (using 549, only piece of ToT gear, largest upgrade)

Tier Helm from Thok (using 561 version)

Tier Legs from Klaxxi (using 561 version)

Tier Gloves from Nazgrim (using 561 version)

Neck from Norushen (using 561 version)

 

I have a couple of minor upgrades like Shoulders from Norushen, Bracers from Spoils or Norushen (using Galakras ones) and a better Heroic ring than Hit/Crit (namely, Haste/Mastery, Hit/Haste, or Hit/Mastery).  I have 580 Belt and 580 weapon and passed on HWF PBI last night to someone who didn't have the trinket at all.

Aside from HWF upgrades:

Token from Nazgrim (using 561)

Belt from Jug (using craftible 553...c'mon Ordos)

Ring from Thok (using Raden's 549, last piece of ToT)

Ring from Paragons (using 561 version)

 

Almost there!

 

On a side note, think they'll keep the Thunderforged/Warforged type upgrades next expac?