T16 Warlock Style - Heroic & Mythic

[Rakupenda 15]

Garrosh dead (after two 2% wipes in a row)! No Heroic BoA items dropped...and no caster loot. Happy day...yet so, so sad loot-wise.

 

Tips-wise:

Burn your embers as much as you can when you're standing still in P4. You'll regenerate them during the running in Bombardment. There is enough time in this phase for two Dark Souls (one at the start, one at around 20%) so plan accordingly.

[juribe 1]

If a group hasn't killed Blackfuse yet, there are some guys in the raid underperforming, and not everyone raid in nice guilds like some of us, in which you can (most times) trust all your team mates to do their shit.

 

Anyway, I'm assuming juribe was talking about NM.

should've specified, i meant heroic siegecrafter. 8% wipe last night, should hopefully die sunday.

[Brown 14]

Yep, was doing this to my old guild's hunter on Garrosh whilst I was still with them.

 

Killed him with a 700k shadowburn haha.

If there is ever an MC on a non-progression/trash fight my goal is making sure someone gets triple shadowburned.

[Zagam 1,982]

Garrosh dead (after two 2% wipes in a row)! No Heroic BoA items dropped...and no caster loot. Happy day...yet so, so sad loot-wise.

 

Tips-wise:

Burn your embers as much as you can when you're standing still in P4. You'll regenerate them during the running in Bombardment. There is enough time in this phase for two Dark Souls (one at the start, one at around 20%) so plan accordingly.

Congrats on your kill, mate.  Thanks for providing help for all!

[vladMTL 1]

If you feel the people going to the assembly line are not performing well, you should go destro and get on the conveyor belt.

 

hey

 

we're a 10m and last night was the 1st raid / tries on hc siege. Since we do not have the proper classes for this encounter,  lacking a rogue for example and running with hunter/monk + warrior/*put a caster here*, I might go on the belt tonight thus I presume no need to bother to try affliction cause it won't work right ?

 

time on the belt seems like about 20 secs for 12 mil you need to do in order to destroy that thing, so whichever tips you guys may have from your experience please feel free to share 

 

thanks ! o/ 

[JvChequer 43]

4% Wipe on Malky because a pugged rogue was doing poorly 200k.

 

That's kinda sad.

[Djargo 4]

Thok finally down, we  decided to kill him during fixate phase, he got rly fast, dpsers dying, dropping rly rly slow. then his speed boost reset and he was sooo slow at around 2%, was so fun. Siegecrafter looks like a nightmare

[Liquidsteel 279]

Just got blackfuse down on 25, any tips for spec choice on paragons heroic?

 

Thinking destruction + KJC due to the nature of needing to burst down targets at key times. Anyone gonna sell affliction to me here?

[Muoric 3]

Just got blackfuse down on 25, any tips for spec choice on paragons heroic?

 

Thinking destruction + KJC due to the nature of needing to burst down targets at key times. Anyone gonna sell affliction to me here?

Grats

For paragons really depends on what your role is. I wen't affliction for one evening so I could slow the bloods more efficiently. Otherwise I'd go destruction.

[Nytemare 2]

So my group working on Garrosh 

 

For P1 - I know to keep ROF up, do I want to use FnB+Immolate on new set of adds to dot all them up or manually immolate each one?

 

For P2 - I know to use conflagrate to get aggro instantly on my add that pops up, but what is best way to get agro on multiples - always have like 3-4 go right for tank

 

When he throws weapon do I just immolate it and focus on boss, or should I focus on it? right now I focus on it and use Havok + CB when I can, or if adds are under 20% Havok + 3x SB on garrosh

Edited November 12, 2013 by Nytemare

[vladMTL 1]

So my group working on Garrosh 

 

For P1 - I know to keep ROF up, do I want to use FnB+Immolate on new set of adds to dot all them up or manually immolate each one?

 

For P2 - I know to use conflagrate to get aggro instantly on my add that pops up, but what is best way to get agro on multiples - always have like 3-4 go right for tank

 

When he throws weapon do I just immolate it and focus on boss, or should I focus on it? right now I focus on it and use Havok + CB when I can, or if adds are under 20% Havok + 3x SB on garrosh

 

well if the overall dmg of the group is high enough u can aoe adds beside rof in p1 also otherwise focus more on the boss rather than to aoe; you could also use your infernal there as there's plenty of adds for it to aoe

 

you dont wanna aggro more than 2 adds on you unless you wanna die sometimes even with cds depending on what you use :)

everyone should get 1-2 not all of them go for tank unless you wanna risk wiping

 

just keep havoc-ing the weapon and snipe it @ the end to replanish some embers

 

best of luck ! o/

[Zagam 1,982]

So my group working on Garrosh 

 

For P1 - I know to keep ROF up, do I want to use FnB+Immolate on new set of adds to dot all them up or manually immolate each one?

 

For P2 - I know to use conflagrate to get aggro instantly on my add that pops up, but what is best way to get agro on multiples - always have like 3-4 go right for tank

 

When he throws weapon do I just immolate it and focus on boss, or should I focus on it? right now I focus on it and use Havok + CB when I can, or if adds are under 20% Havok + 3x SB on garrosh

For P1, you should never NOT be using FnB.  For P2 and P3, tell your tanks to quit being bad and getting aggro.  Only tanks that should pull aggro this way is a supercharged Eternal Flame on a Paladin via healing or some other big heal by a tank.  Otherwise, your DPS aren't doing enough snap damage to yank aggro.  For weapons, you need to know if it's your job to kill them.  In my 10 man, I'm the ONLY person that touches them because I can solo them before the next one pops.  It's as simple as keeping Immolate on Garrosh and using Havoc to split Chaos Bolts when possible.  Otherwise, tunnel it.

[Nytemare 2]

For P1, you should never NOT be using FnB.  For P2 and P3, tell your tanks to quit being bad and getting aggro.  Only tanks that should pull aggro this way is a supercharged Eternal Flame on a Paladin via healing or some other big heal by a tank.  Otherwise, your DPS aren't doing enough snap damage to yank aggro.  For weapons, you need to know if it's your job to kill them.  In my 10 man, I'm the ONLY person that touches them because I can solo them before the next one pops.  It's as simple as keeping Immolate on Garrosh and using Havoc to split Chaos Bolts when possible.  Otherwise, tunnel it.

 

P1 - I figure we wasn't suppose to fight like we are aoe fighting, so immolate on all (this is where I asked which is better fnb+immolate or do I want manually immolate each add (or in my case mouseover immolate each)) 

 

For weapons do I just want to dot it up like the other dps does and tunnel on boss, using Havok + CB/SB from time to time, or burst down the weapon than go back to boss (currently when weapon comes I focus on it until it dead, than go back to boss - can destroy it before the next and have time on boss)

 

for Adds that pop - I throw ROF down where the shadow puddles are, and than do fnb+Conflag but even hitting 3+ doens't always glue them to me. (We have a monk and a Pally tank) and far I know they not going anywhere near the adds, they just spawning and running right for them - I can solo each add that not a problem, problem is trying to keep them off tank

 

For Doom/Infernal I been using Doom on pull, so instead should use infernal for more aoe dps?

[Zagam 1,982]

P1 - I figure we wasn't suppose to fight like we are aoe fighting, so immolate on all (this is where I asked which is better fnb+immolate or do I want manually immolate each add (or in my case mouseover immolate each)) 

Weren't supposed to?  If your raid group uses the Iron Stars, then AoE isn't necessary.  It's safer to use your best AoE classes and AoE adds down.

 

For weapons do I just want to dot it up like the other dps does and tunnel on boss, using Havok + CB/SB from time to time, or burst down the weapon than go back to boss (currently when weapon comes I focus on it until it dead, than go back to boss - can destroy it before the next and have time on boss)

 

For Doom/Infernal I been using Doom on pull, so instead should use infernal for more aoe dps?

Are you assigned to it?  I explained in the previous post that if you're assigned to it, you kill it.  SOMEONE has to be assigned to it and your toolkit is best designed for this assignment.  Why are you looking to change something that is already working?

 

Infernal is ass-tastic.  Unless you can hit 14 targets when it lands, it's not worth it.  Use Doomguard for P3, not at the start.  DPS on Garrosh in P1 is largely inconsequential compared to P3.

[Liquidsteel 279]

For progression I assume you are knocking the adds back into the iron star? I advise that you only FnB Immolate and RoF Immolate here; the adds will get low enough from passive cleave and tank aoe before they need to be knocked back. Any stragglers can be shadowburned by you anyway. Pump as much damage into the boss as you can, preventing a third wave of adds is much more beneficial to your progress than aoeing harder.

 

As such, you should 100% NOT use infernal here. It's just padding/shit damage anyway.

 

If the fight lasts over 11 minutes then by all means use doomguard on pull. Our first kill was just over the 10 minute mark, so we lusted and used doomguard at the start of p3.

 

For the adds getting glued to the tank, have your prot pala disable Righteous Fury as whirling corruption goes out. He can stick it back on once the adds have been picked up. It's better to single target the adds anyway.

 

Edit: Beaten to it.

Edited November 12, 2013 by Liquidsteel

[Rakupenda 15]

Just got blackfuse down on 25, any tips for spec choice on paragons heroic?

 

Thinking destruction + KJC due to the nature of needing to burst down targets at key times. Anyone gonna sell affliction to me here?

I was Affi for kill and Destro on second kill. Both are fine.

 

Page back a few and look at my tips for Paragons.

[Liquidsteel 279]

I was Affi for kill and Destro on second kill. Both are fine.

 

Page back a few and look at my tips for Paragons.

Found them, cheers. Especially liked the idea of mass gripping parasites and keeping tabs on whirling/hurl amber. 

 

Would you lean on the side of destruction being a much better spec here? Affliction has the nice opener but it's kinda wasted at the start, whereas destruction should provide more consistent damage, especially via RoF and havoc immolating?

[Rakupenda 15]

Found them, cheers. Especially liked the idea of mass gripping parasites and keeping tabs on whirling/hurl amber. 

 

Would you lean on the side of destruction being a much better spec here? Affliction has the nice opener but it's kinda wasted at the start, whereas destruction should provide more consistent damage, especially via RoF and havoc immolating?

Affi's opener is great for burning down the blood guy. But yes, after that it putters off.

 

I saw an increase in effective damage as Destro, yes. Havoc the boss, Immolate twice and then an Incinerate/Conflagrate for the third charge. I only wish I would've progressed with it so I could have fine tuned my strategy (rather than the one-shot on our followup). Went back Affi on the third kill for nostalgia. Forgot to swap out KTT for Blood (Reaching the 9778 haste cap + 10 stack snapshot) so my opener was horrendous!

Edited November 12, 2013 by Rakupenda

[Liquidsteel 279]

Affi's opener is great for burning down the blood guy. But yes, after that it putters off.

 

I saw an increase in effective damage as Destro, yes. Havoc the boss, Immolate twice and then an Incinerate/Conflagrate for the third charge. I only wish I would've progressed with it so I could have fine tuned my strategy (rather than the one-shot on our followup). Went back Affi on the third kill for nostalgia. Forgot to swap out KTT for Blood (Reaching the 9778 haste cap + 10 stack snapshot) so my opener was horrendous!

Alright, sounds good to me! Thanks.

[Belloc 6]

for Adds that pop - I throw ROF down where the shadow puddles are, and than do fnb+Conflag but even hitting 3+ doens't always glue them to me. (We have a monk and a Pally tank) and far I know they not going anywhere near the adds, they just spawning and running right for them - I can solo each add that not a problem, problem is trying to keep them off tank

 

 

If adds are running straight to your Paladin tank, he needs to make a /cancelaura Righteous Fury macro. Personally, I just macro it straight into my Righteous Fury button so hitting it either turns it on or off, depending on its current state. If he isn't willing to do this, you're going to continue having problems with adds running to the tank and there's practically nothing that you can do about it short of out-threating him (which is likely to result in the add dying in melee range and buffing the other adds).

 

TL;DR: Tell your paladin tank to cancel Righteous Fury before the adds spawn.

 

Assuming the paladin isn't currently tanking Garrosh, Hand of Salvation also works... but it has a long enough cooldown that you can expect to run out of them before the fight ends... so just cancel the RF.

Edited November 12, 2013 by Belloc

[Zagam 1,982]

I'm homeless.  WTB new home to kill last 3 bosses :(

[vladMTL 1]

I'm homeless.  WTB new home to kill last 3 bosses

 

how come ?

[Zagam 1,982]

Guild broke up due to a lack of desire to raid 20 man or recruit 10 players.  Far easier to let everyone go find their own home with plenty of time left in this xpac.  I don't blame them...the logistics of finding 10 cutting edge players is awful.  I'll just find the best home suitable for me.

[Rakupenda 15]

Oh dear, I'm sorry to hear that. Why wouldn't they finish the tier at least? A Heroic Garrosh kill under your belt makes finding a new home easier...Although you are Zagam! (exclamation mark required) You shouldn't have any trouble, methinks.

[Zagam 1,982]

Yeah I'm not anticipating a trouble finding potential homes.  I just want to find the right one.  I'd rather find a new guild and see how they are during progression rather than how they are during farm anyways.