Lightning Archon Wizard

[Guest sean]

So it seems after the edit Hydra has been taken out of this build? I assume because of the whole manald not proccing when proccing on hydras?

[TheBZA 3]

Would someone please explain why the rune choice for Black Hole is arcane Spellsteal and not lightning Supermassive?

[Datexx 1]

Because of the short dmgbuff from spellsteal that fits the coe playstyle.

Manald proc come from archon anyway and get more and more buffed this way.

[Deadset 108]

On 7/10/2017 at 9:09 PM, Guest sean said:

So it seems after the edit Hydra has been taken out of this build? I assume because of the whole manald not proccing when proccing on hydras?

Hydras are still recommended on the appropriate variation (check the dedicated progression variant page). They are much stronger at very high health single target, which there simply isn't a need for in the majority of content (sub-GR 90 runs, some would even say sub-95 depending on gear perfection).

[Guest raym0nd]

for the group progression, without gogok of swiftness my archon downtime will be longer than the 16 window coe cycle (I already had 65% cdr), so what you are suggesting in your guide is that having another dps gem instead of gogok and wait out another full coe cycle for more burst? or just use archon whenever (i.e. not waiting for fire at 1 sec)

[Datexx 1]

18 hours ago, Guest raym0nd said:

for the group progression, without gogok of swiftness my archon downtime will be longer than the 16 window coe cycle (I already had 65% cdr), so what you are suggesting in your guide is that having another dps gem instead of gogok and wait out another full coe cycle for more burst? or just use archon whenever (i.e. not waiting for fire at 1 sec)

I was wondering this too. I am almost sure both ways wont work better than keeping gogok as the 3rd gem and it was just a mistake while adapting the guide to the new format.

 

Another question i got is, why u use the frost nova for cold stack in the speed farm variation. Wouldnt it be worth the 10 ap when using blizzard with the snowbound rune instead. It counts as ap spender and therefore procs orotz for entering archon faster when u have no in-geom active for some reason.

If you are able to keep 0 cd on archon with 0 in-geom downtimes, then orotz wouldnt be worth (neither would be blizzard) and orotz should be replaced by coe. But i dont really believe anyone can do that 100% of the time.

What are your thoughts?

[Guest guest 111]

linked video is hydra archon, not vyr/tal archon

[Datexx 1]

On 31.7.2017 at 8:01 PM, Guest guest 111 said:

linked video is hydra archon, not vyr/tal archon

Hydra Archon is part of Vyr/Tal...

 

Or what kind of gear would you wear else?

[TheBZA 3]

On 7/1/2017 at 11:02 AM, wohisme said:

Is there any reason to wear the Starfire over AW? 

It seems like the opposite of what the guide says is true: since Aether Walker's legendary affix is binary and therefore unaffected by being cubed, but Starfire's has a range that is maxed by it, I would think it is usually better to wear the former and cube the latter. Unless you have a great Starfire.

Edit: I thought of a reason to do it the other way. All three of this build's variations--solo, group, and speed--use Starfire, but a different second weapon. It might make sense to wear one Starfire and cube the other three weapons.

Edited August 2, 2017 by TheBZA

[Mephisto 2]

I looked at the guide and like the build, https://www.icy-veins.com/d3/lightning-archon-wizard-skills-and-runes, but where does lightning come from to use with the Manald Ring and Paralysis? 

The other elements are mentioned on how to proc them but nothing about lightning which is also needed for Starfire.

Any help would be great as I'm really confused with this.

[TheBZA 3]

Since the Vyr 2-pc set bonus adds all runes to Archon, instead of the damage type of Archon abilities being chosen by which rune is selected, it is chosen by your highest +Elemental damage type, which should be Lightning (probably on bracers only; note that Lightning Damage is not among this guide's priority stats for amulet). Choose the Combustion rune for Archon, so the initial Fire blast adds a Tal Rasha stack (for some reason, the stack only appears if you choose that rune, even though the blast is always Fire).

The Archon disintegration beam (or any other Archon attack) adds another TR stack, gets a bonus from Starfire, and triggers Paralysis/Manald. Having four TR stacks (two before activating Archon) makes a really big difference in damage. Keep in mind that a spell doesn't have to actually hit something to add a TR stack, just casting it does that.

Edited August 4, 2017 by TheBZA

[Mephisto 2]

Awesome, thank you for clearing that up for me.

In Archon form I tend to use arcane blast and not disintegration beam, I just find it easier to use, theres no loss of damage over using it instead of disintegration?

Also do I look for Attack Speed over CDR with this build?

Edited August 5, 2017 by Mephisto

[VaraTreledees 138]

On 8/4/2017 at 5:34 PM, Mephisto said:

Awesome, thank you for clearing that up for me.

In Archon form I tend to use arcane blast and not disintegration beam, I just find it easier to use, theres no loss of damage over using it instead of disintegration?

Also do I look for Attack Speed over CDR with this build?

CDR is really important for this build if you are pushing progression.  You need 63% before gogok of swiftness in order to maximize your archon up time while still keeping it synchronized with CoE's rotation.  Otherwise you will be using your CoE inefficiently or you will have an undesirably high archon down time while you are waiting for CoE to line up with it.  Otherwise CDR becomes somewhat less important if you are using In-Geom + ORotZ.  Even still having some CDR is still preferable, but you don't need absurd amounts.  Crit still does more then attack speed generally, but honestly, the manald proc is so strong that if your not pushing progression, it doesn't matter as much.

[Zeppelin 1]

If I would like to run Boon of the Hoarder (temporarily,)  which ones of these would be the best to switch-out with?

Bane of the Trapped Zei's Stone of Vengeance Gogok of Swiftness

 

[TheBZA 3]

On 8/4/2017 at 5:34 PM, Mephisto said:

In Archon form I tend to use arcane blast and not disintegration beam, I just find it easier to use, theres no loss of damage over using it instead of disintegration?

The range of the beam is longer (which helps Zei's and Starfire), and I hear (but can't verify) that it ticks more often and thus can proc Manald Heal more. (Also, the actual range of the beam is longer than the graphic for it, it's at least long enough to hit stuff barely off-screen diagonally, but maybe more. Also also the 1-slot ability--is that the blast you mean?--can be cast during a beam channel without interrupting it.)

Edited August 7, 2017 by TheBZA

[Guest Need help]

I have every gear gem and skills put to use how the guide tells me to do but nothing seems to make dmg except the arcane torrent.. while in archon I can merely harm the mobs but when I use torrent some of them just pops instantly.. What could I be missing?

[Guest xtp]

When I play this build, I tend to get no crits, no paralysis procs or hits at all as soon as I activate archon. At first it worked well, but now I can hardly finish a 50 grift.

Some ideas on this topic?

[Guest Doormanorman]

On 8/9/2017 at 1:55 PM, Guest Need help said:

I have every gear gem and skills put to use how the guide tells me to do but nothing seems to make dmg except the arcane torrent.. while in archon I can merely harm the mobs but when I use torrent some of them just pops instantly.. What could I be missing?

Put lightning damage on your bracers. Make sure you have a very high crit chance+damage. I use blood bracers, they help a lot. 

It also helps to wiggle the archon beam around I've noticed..

Also, you won't have constant critical hits, but then all of a sudden you wipe out everything on the screen in a second.. it's just how it works.

[Datexx 1]

On 9.8.2017 at 8:55 PM, Guest Need help said:

I have every gear gem and skills put to use how the guide tells me to do but nothing seems to make dmg except the arcane torrent.. while in archon I can merely harm the mobs but when I use torrent some of them just pops instantly.. What could I be missing?

Make sure your archon beam is blue, not red. Could be cause of the missing lightning damage roll or if you got another element roll somewhere else. Your archon needs to deal lightning damage to proc parslysis/manald heal at all.

[Belazor 0]

I'm confused as to why the Paragon points lists 4 options when Intelligence is the second to go for, but it's uncapped.

Why do you list Vitality / Max Arcane Power, if it's impossible to cap Intelligence?

[positiv2 953]

10 hours ago, Belazor said:

I'm confused as to why the Paragon points lists 4 options when Intelligence is the second to go for, but it's uncapped.

Why do you list Vitality / Max Arcane Power, if it's impossible to cap Intelligence?

While mainstat has no hard limit and is #2 priority, it does not mean that you should always place the paragon point there. Most of the time you want to spend the paragon point on intelligence indeed, but if you feel like being too squishy, Vitality is still a valid investment, especially for Hardcore builds.

Basically, you want to put points to Vitality if you feel are too squishy, to Max Arcane Power if you are running low occasionally, and to Intelligence in all other cases.

[Belazor 0]

3 hours ago, positiv2 said:

While mainstat has no hard limit and is #2 priority, it does not mean that you should always place the paragon point there. Most of the time you want to spend the paragon point on intelligence indeed, but if you feel like being too squishy, Vitality is still a valid investment, especially for Hardcore builds.

Basically, you want to put points to Vitality if you feel are too squishy, to Max Arcane Power if you are running low occasionally, and to Intelligence in all other cases.

Fair enough, thanks for the clarification :)

[Guest Alternate weapons?]

Hi, have a question
Seems 90% are playing with In-Geom or Starfire and having the other of these 2 in the Cube.
Some use AetherWalker cubed, but this need maybe a lot of Arcane power instead.
What about alterbnate Weapons, who for example are making more AOE?
In lower rifts (testing about 65) using "Odyns Son" feels very great for me , because of better proc of Gogok
Hitting more Enemies, faster proccs Gogok, pushing CDR and so Archon will be mostly never paused at all (at about normally 60-61%CDR).
What do you think?

[Zeppelin 1]

Vyr's Sightless Skull comes with dex or strength? (oh really?)

[killsophia 0]

 

23 minutes ago, Zeppelin said:

Vyr's Sightless Skull comes with dex or strength? (oh really?)

If the char get it is not a Int class, yes.

 

On 17/08/2017 at 4:03 AM, Guest Alternate weapons? said:

Hi, have a question
Seems 90% are playing with In-Geom or Starfire and having the other of these 2 in the Cube.
Some use AetherWalker cubed, but this need maybe a lot of Arcane power instead.
What about alterbnate Weapons, who for example are making more AOE?
In lower rifts (testing about 65) using "Odyns Son" feels very great for me , because of better proc of Gogok
Hitting more Enemies, faster proccs Gogok, pushing CDR and so Archon will be mostly never paused at all (at about normally 60-61%CDR).
What do you think?

Starfire is for insane long-range damage, and if your Archon's off time is short enough, you don't really need Aether. Other weapon could offer AOE or different proc, yes, but you're not making efficient use of Archon wave's super long range.